Lets do a little thought experiment for the mentally inept. So maybe get some water and take a seat for this as to not hurt yourself.
Lets pretend instead of "under god" we said "under Allah" (yup right here in 'Murica). Would you rather you just shut up and take it, but not have to recite it, orr would you rather the "seperation of church and state" be enforced to remove any religious connotation from the pledge? You know..as our founding fathers and principles dictate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
Yes, I would shut up and take it....you know why? Because Allah is simply Arabic for "God".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
Doesn't really matter to me how Muslims use the word, it simply is Arabic for "God".
Lets do a little thought experiment for the mentally inept. So maybe get some water and take a seat for this as to not hurt yourself.
Lets pretend instead of "under god" we said "under Allah" (yup right here in 'Murica). Would you rather you just shut up and take it, but not have to recite it, orr would you rather the "seperation of church and state" be enforced to remove any religious connotation from the pledge? You know..as our founding fathers and principles dictate.
Atheists should throw away all their US money and refuse to accept/use it as it has "In God We Trust" on it.
'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,'
I don't see how "under god" in the pledge violations the bill of rights.
'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,'
I don't see how "under god" in the pledge violations the bill of rights.
Yes, I would shut up and take it....you know why? Because Allah is simply Arabic for "God".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
Doesn't really matter to me how Muslims use the word, it simply is Arabic for "God".
Secondly, we don't speak Arabic here, so they won't ever use "Allah" anyway. Good greif...
Lets do a little thought experiment for the mentally inept. So maybe get some water and take a seat for this as to not hurt yourself.
Lets pretend instead of "under god" we said "under Allah" (yup right here in 'Murica). Would you rather you just shut up and take it, but not have to recite it, orr would you rather the "seperation of church and state" be enforced to remove any religious connotation from the pledge? You know..as our founding fathers and principles dictate.
You forgot your water and to sit down before hand didnt you? I did warn you. Sheesh.
Huh? You contrasted "Allah" and "God" as if they were two different words with different meanings (i.e. "God" being the Christian God and "Allah" being the Muslim God).
I bet Arabic Christians are comfortable with using "Allah", or whatever the Arabic equivalent for "Yahweh" is.
You made yourself look woefully ignorant for not know that those two words are exactly the same in both English and Arabic respectively.
That depends. For Arab-speaking Christians that might be the case. For Arab-speaking Muslims the meanings may be quite different. Each person carries a personal interpretation of the word "god" and even among those who profess a common faith there may be a wide range of meaning for god.
OMG! Dollar bills DO have evil foreign writing on them, put there by government!
My dollars say E Pluribus Unum and annuit coeptis with evil pagan symbols of an all-seeing eye above and Egyptian pyramid!!!!
Novus Ordo Seclorum???? It's the new world order! EEEK!!
I'm being oppressed by words!!!!! The government is trying to force me to join a cult!!! Ban evil words! Ban evil words!
Sorry, I just wondered what it was like to get all crazy over words, and act like they had some power over me and whine to ban them on things when it really doesn't matter a hill of beans to *ANYONE*.
Feels like a colossal waste of time.
Looks like your stupidity was already corrected. You simply didn't know that Allah just means God. If we spoke Arabic here, the pledge would say Allah. So what?
Allah should be just another word to you just like god ( or allah, or whatever) should be just another word to you. Or you can get all zealot crazy over it, try to ban the word, scream like a banshee over a word, act like a word is oppressing you, quake in fear over a word, and then act like it's just the religious zealots who are batshit over the word god.
The irony is, I see paranoid atheist zealots get more crazy over the word god than most religious people. I've always found it funny that a word signifying something that you supposedly don't believe in, has so much power over you.
Ironic that paranoid atheists (note, I make a distinction, not all of them, there are plenty who see this whole "issue" as just as useless and stupid as anyone else) actually fear god more than most religious people. But I've always observed- if human beings are anything, they are hypocritical and contradictory as all hell. Opps- there's another word for you to get scared of and act crazy over, even as you insist you don't believe in it.
Right, but what it means to each individual is completely immaterial to the direct translation, particularly since we're not using the words in any other context outside of substituting the English for the Arabic word in the pledge.
Now, if a Muslim says "praise be to Allah", I know what he means, but we're not talking about forms of worship here.
By the way, I really do mean that I find these sorts of lawsuits to be kind of a waste of everyone's time and money. I don't view this as a major enough violation to be worth worrying about. In a strictly legal sense though I think they have a point. Compelling student participation is not the only way in which schools can unconstitutionally endorse religion, the school is leading students in a pledge that affirms god and his dominion over us. That's not what our schools are for.
Looks like your stupidity was already corrected. You simply didn't know that Allah just means God. If we spoke Arabic here, the pledge would say Allah. So what?
Huh? You contrasted "Allah" and "God" as if they were two different words with different meanings (i.e. "God" being the Christian God and "Allah" being the Muslim God).
I bet Arabic Christians are comfortable with using "Allah", or whatever the Arabic equivalent for "Yahweh" is.
You made yourself look woefully ignorant for not know that those two words are exactly the same in both English and Arabic respectively.
its quite obvious he wasn't talking about using an arabic word in place of an english one, even if it wasn't communicated perfectly. it seems like you're going off on semantics rather than responding to his actual point.
Idiot. You are not reacting properly. What you should have done is scream and say "NO WAY! I WILL NEVAR DO THAT HERE IN 'MURICA!!!!1111eleventy!!11"
Awww, were my words oppressing him? That seems to happen to some people a lot.
Im aware Allah translates to god, that is not the point i was trying make. Christians do not call god Allah, muslims do
Of course he wasn't talking about using it in place, but that's was he did though, and attached meaning to it when in the context of the Pledge, it had no meaning other than "God".
That's his mistake.