Belief doesn't just have to be in the existence of something. It could be on the relative importance of some stamp, or in the history of a stamp, etc. I'm not a stamp collector, but it's hard for me to see how there couldn't be a controversy with regards to collecting stamps. Especially considering how people are involved.It is a crappy analogy because the collection or non-collection of stamps does not include any type of belief. It is not like people differ over the existence of stamps.
MotionMan
But he was never introduced to the concept and had never explicitly denied a deity. You've made the distinction between atheist and agnosticism earlier in this thread; please elaborate on it because it is clearly not how I would distinguish between them.
But he was never introduced to the concept and had never explicitly denied a deity. You've made the distinction between atheist and agnosticism earlier in this thread; please elaborate on it because it is clearly not how I would distinguish between them.
Because atheists have no moral code?
Supernatural things do not exist by definition, because if they did, they'd be natural.
Do children start believing in their religion before they are taught the details of the religion and/or start following the rituals of their religion, or vice versa?
MotionMan
Ha, classic hal9k move.i'm sorry guys, i don't know what i was typing.
i'm sorry guys, i don't know what i was typing.
john 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
Ezekiel 1:10
Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.
Revelation 4:7
The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.
John 21:13
Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish.
Love his bit there on talking to graves.I think a lot of atheists can relate to the thought train of Paul f Tompkins' mom. If nothing else, its a funny story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCvBVbmtZw
I think a lot of atheists can relate to the thought train of Paul f Tompkins' mom. If nothing else, its a funny story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCvBVbmtZw
Morality doesn't come from a book...
Supernatural things do not exist by definition, because if they did, they'd be natural.
I would be wary of this kind of logic, because it leads to presupposing that all things called supernatural by someone cannot be natural; therefore they are not studied, therefore they cannot be shown to be natural. Many natural phenomena were once thought to be supernatural in origin, and it is far better to keep an open, but skeptical, mind, than it is to dismiss all supernatural events out of hand.Yep, i have had this discussion with someone when they were talking about their belief in ghosts.
I think that if you looked at the facts as collected on wikipedia you would have a fuller understanding of the limited quality of the argument you just proffered./anti-theist
That is basically an empiricist. You are not convinced by the argument of one or another group without empiric data. Nothing wrong with that position. If you chose to profess your position you may want to look beyond the empiric argument toward the logical inconsistencies, because there is no further argument beyond repeating the lack of data. And I suggest that meaningfull dialog cannot be forwarded by repetition or ridicule.
.Many atheists simply say "I don't know", but haven't been convinced of anything yet. Are you going to tell me that's a metaphysical belief structure, and therefore a kind of religion?
And so help me god, if you say "that's agnosticism", I'll hit you. I'm not going to have that argument again.
I wish to clarify that I am not simply an atheist:
Jesus wore a crown of thorns
Jesus wore a halo
Jesus walked on water
Jesus is the most high god
Jesus is an anthropomorphism of the sun, which is why his artist depictions always look similar to this (face in front of the sun):
The signs of the Zodiac are represented multiple times in the bible. The following are just a few examples:
Face of a man = Aquarius "The Water Bearer"
Face of a lion = Leo "The Lion"
Face of an ox = Taurus "The Bull"
Face of an eagle = Scorpio "The Scorpion\Eagle"
Bread = Virgo "House of Bread" aka Bethlehem (literally translates to House of Bread)
Fish = Pisces "The Fishes"
The Age of Pisces began in 1AD. This is the time of Jesus. The Age of Aquarius (Neil Mann interpretation: begins AD 2150) is upon us, thus Jesus' time is up.
/anti-theist