Athlon 200GE - the ultimate great place-holder CPU?

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SPBHM

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200Ge vs G4560 with a 1060


it's fairly impressive that it keeps up so nicely when you consider the clock deficit and higher IPC of the g4560, the better scaling of AMD's CMT compared to Intel's implementation must be the reason why...

and when you consider that the AM4 platform is much safer in terms of upgrades and support, it's hard to justify buying the cheaper Intel CPUs.

not to mention the IGP is way nicer....

even with locked OC the 200GE sure is an attractive CPU.
 
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Insert_Nickname

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Okay, finally got my 200GE settled in. Ran some quick tests...

System:
200GE
Asrock B350M Pro4 w/ BIOS v5.00 (AGESA 1.0.0.5)
Single Channel DDR4-2667 18-18-18-39 CR2 (plan to refine those further)
Vega3 IGP w/ 18.5.1 driver

Aida64 Benchmark suite

Memory

Mem Read: 20457 MB/s
Mem Write: 20820 MB/s
Mem Copy: 19772 MB/s
Latency: 85.1ns

CPU

CPU Queen: 23847
CPU PhotoWorxx: 10058 MPixel/s
CPU Zlib: 149.2 MB/s
CPU AES: 14283 MB/s
CPU Hash: 4821 MB/s
FPU VP8: 3871
FPU Julia: 8319
FPU Mandel: 4351
FPU SinJulia: 2738 (Amazing, a STOCK PD 8350 is only 2832. If that doesn't drive a stake through how bad Bulldozers FPU is, I don't know what else could.)
FP32 Raytrace: 1529 KRay/s
FP64 Raytrace: 872 KRay/s

Any comments?
 

Abwx

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FPU SinJulia: 2738 (Amazing, a STOCK PD 8350 is only 2832. If that doesn't drive a stake through how bad Bulldozers FPU is, I don't know what else could.)

What else is that the two FPUs in the Athlon score 360 CB R15 pts@3.2GHz while the FX four FPUs score 640 pts@4GHz, so the Athlon FPUs are only 25% better clock/clock in legacy SSE2/3/4 FP apps, and that s including 15% CMT penalty in MT...
 

Shivansps

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it's fairly impressive that it keeps up so nicely when you consider the clock deficit and higher IPC of the g4560, the better scaling of AMD's CMT compared to Intel's implementation must be the reason why...

and when you consider that the AM4 platform is much safer in terms of upgrades and support, it's hard to justify buying the cheaper Intel CPUs.

not to mention the IGP is way nicer....

even with locked OC the 200GE sure is an attractive CPU.

Still the gap is big enoght, expecially with the G5400 in place of the G4560. These things need higher clocks. BUT i do not expect big gaps while using something that makes more sense like the 1050 or the 1050ti.
 

Insert_Nickname

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What else is that the two FPUs in the Athlon score 360 CB R15 pts@3.2GHz while the FX four FPUs score 640 pts@4GHz, so the Athlon FPUs are only 25% better clock/clock in legacy SSE2/3/4 FP apps, and that s including 15% CMT penalty in MT...

You didn't notice the 4M/8T 4GHz 8350 (140W TDP) just got matched by a 35W 3.2GHz 2C/4T APU in a specific test? Even accounting for everything else, that's an impressive showing in my book.
 

Abwx

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You didn't notice the 4M/8T 4GHz 8350 (140W TDP) just got matched by a 35W 3.2GHz 2C/4T APU in a specific test? Even accounting for everything else, that's an impressive showing in my book.

8350 consume 105W in CB and score 640pts, dunno how the Athlon 360pts are a match, at 25W or so it s 2.36x more efficient though, at same frequency (3.2) it would be only 1.5x more efficient...
 

Shivansps

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Ok things im interested to know, you can OC the IGP?

Can it run fortnite at 720P with a single 8GB stick?
 

CHADBOGA

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I agree but its also $40 or 67% more expensive.

And what does this $40 as a percentage turn out to be on the total price of a build?

CPU pricing has never worked on a percentage basis and you have been around long enough to know this.
 
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CHADBOGA

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Okay, finally got my 200GE settled in. Ran some quick tests...

System:
200GE
Asrock B350M Pro4 w/ BIOS v5.00 (AGESA 1.0.0.5)
Single Channel DDR4-2667 18-18-18-39 CR2 (plan to refine those further)
Vega3 IGP w/ 18.5.1 driver

Aida64 Benchmark suite

Memory

Mem Read: 20457 MB/s
Mem Write: 20820 MB/s
Mem Copy: 19772 MB/s
Latency: 85.1ns

CPU

CPU Queen: 23847
CPU PhotoWorxx: 10058 MPixel/s
CPU Zlib: 149.2 MB/s
CPU AES: 14283 MB/s
CPU Hash: 4821 MB/s
FPU VP8: 3871
FPU Julia: 8319
FPU Mandel: 4351
FPU SinJulia: 2738 (Amazing, a STOCK PD 8350 is only 2832. If that doesn't drive a stake through how bad Bulldozers FPU is, I don't know what else could.)
FP32 Raytrace: 1529 KRay/s
FP64 Raytrace: 872 KRay/s

Any comments?

Can you do some Cinebench runs.
 

Herr Kutz

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Larry, I think I speak for everyone here when I say we're excited to hear what you can do with one. If anyone can show us that we're better off skipping the 2700X and picking up a 200GE, it's you. A youtube video of your progress would be awesome, but we'll settle for a wall of text. Keep us in the loop.
 

AtenRa

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And what does this $40 as a percentage turn out to be on the total price of a build?

CPU pricing has never worked on a percentage basis and you have been around long enough to know this.

You see this as a gamer, everyone else with a low budget who would consider buying the Athlon 200GE for home/office the $40 difference can be put to buy a 240-250GB SSD or for another 4GB RAM or a bigger HDD for storage or bigger Monitor etc etc. Or if you are a big corporate and need to buy hundreds of new computers, the $40 per unit difference is translated in to a lot of savings.
 

John Carmack

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I agree but its also $40 or 67% more expensive.

It's false economy. In 2017 the $55 2c/4t G4560 might have been the budget king but in 2018 I don't think the $55 200GE is worth considering at all even for budget builds when a sub $100 4c/4t 2200G with a half decent iGPU is sitting just above it in the product stack.
 
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Insert_Nickname

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Sorry for not getting back sooner, but apparently the Athlon has a serious dislike of the Optane stick I use as boot drive with this board. So I had to reinstall Windows on a spare SATA drive first.

Edit; Wasn't the drive. The B350M Pro4 doesn't seem to fully support the Athlon. I'm getting all sorts of weird issues, random lockups etc. Even at a fully stock configuration.

On the positive side, when it works, it decodes youtube 4K VP9 flawlessly.

Ok things im interested to know, you can OC the IGP?

Can it run fortnite at 720P with a single 8GB stick?

Bad news. From the look of things it's locked down, but due to the above issue, I haven't really gotten a good look.

The IGP is (U)HD630+ level. Not that much more, but anything which runs on the 530/630 should be fine.

Can you do some Cinebench runs.

Just finished. 357 points, so in line with expectations.
 
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amd6502

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It's false economy. In 2017 the $55 2c/4t G4560 might have been the budget king but in 2018 I don't think the $55 200GE is worth considering at all even for budget builds when a sub $100 4c/4t 2200G with a half decent iGPU is sitting just above it in the product stack.

True for most people on here; not everyone is a computer enthusiast though. Also, with the 35W tdp it makes this a really good choice for SFF builds. Those who will never use the gaming capable iGPU and don't need the higher powered threads will do very well with it. Should be great for a basic home PC (web, email and such) and a big move up from a dual core (eg A6) which are also still perfectly good for that role.
 
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Shivansps

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Bad news. From the look of things it's locked down, but due to the above issue, I haven't really gotten a good look.

The IGP is (U)HD630+ level. Not that much more, but anything which runs on the 530/630 should be fine.

I really hope you are wrong not even Intel did that.
 

Insert_Nickname

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I really hope you are wrong not even Intel did that.

There is an option in the BIOS to set frequency manually, no idea if it sticks.

This setup just won't play ball with the Athlon. So I've swapped the original CPU back for now. Guess I'll need a BIOS update, or a new(er) mainboard to test further.
 

John Carmack

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True for most people on here; not everyone is a computer enthusiast though. Also, with the 35W tdp it makes this a really good choice for SFF builds. Those who will never use the gaming capable iGPU and don't need the higher powered threads will do very well with it. Should be great for a basic home PC (web, email and such) and a big move up from a dual core (eg A6) which are also still perfectly good for that role.

I still think it's a bad buy and poor value for budget web/email PC builds. With how bloated things in the browser keep getting each day and how every service wants its own software running to deliver stuff to your PC the real FASTER cores are appreciated. The extra GPU just increases longevity and flexibility.

Like I said this isn't 2017. When you were getting a $60 G4560 to upgrade to the next tier (4c/4t and UHD 630) you needed to triple the CPU cost to get up to i5-7400. I can see the dollar justification for the G4560. The difference between $55 200GE and $99 2200G? Not so much.
 
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SPBHM

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pretty sure that hardwareunboxed confirmed a while back that the IGP is locked...

it's all locked, on Intel CPUs you can at least OC ram and IGP with the right MB, a shame.
 

VirtualLarry

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What mainboard and BIOS revision is not working with the Athlon 200GE?

I've got a Gigabyte Gaming 3 micro-ATX, an Asus B350-E Prime micro-ATX, and an AB350M Pro4 without a CPU, that may be damaged (would not work with a 2200G reliably, even with up-to-date BIOS).

Interested in trying out the 200GE in each of these boards, when I can finally get one.
 

VirtualLarry

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I still think it's a bad buy and poor value for budget web/email PC builds. With how bloated things in the browser keep getting each day and how every service wants its own software running to deliver stuff to your PC the real FASTER cores are appreciated. The extra GPU just increases longevity and flexibility.

Like I said this isn't 2017. When you were getting a $60 G4560 to upgrade to the next tier (4c/4t and UHD 630) you needed to triple the CPU cost to get up to i5-7400. I can see the dollar justification for the G4560. The difference between $55 200GE and $99 2200G? Not so much.
I disagree that the extra iGPU performance does't help things; modern web browsers, including the newest nightly version of Firefox, are now using video-game-like GPU rendering techniques, to reach 60FPS rendering. The usage of a GPU, for web browsing, is here to stay. (Haven't even touched on VR, AR, and the 3D Web.)

And you stress "Faster" cores. Do you think that a 3.2Ghz Zen core with SMT is somehow slow? It's not! "This is not your father's Bulldozer / Piledriver core." (A 4C/4T Zen, at a lower clock speed, can match an 8-core FX running at 4Ghz, in MT performance.)

And the 2200G, is only officially a 3.5Ghz CPU, although I believe it can turbo a single core to 3.9Ghz at times. The biggest performance benefit from a 2200G 4C/4T, is putting it on a B350/B450 board or better, and manually OCing it to 3.80Ghz or 3.90Ghz all-core, all the time.

Heck, as far as snappiness goes, a 2.7Ghz Skylake dual-core, is noticeably snappier than a six-core FX-6300, to my perception, even with similar SSDs, and less RAM. A Ryzen still beats it though.

So, if you intend to game at all on your PC, yes, I would suggest skipping the 200GE, and moving up to a 2200G. Also, if you want to overclock, on a B350 or better AM4 board, yes, move up to a 2200G or better.

But for Mom'n'Pop PCs, I really think that a 200GE, is likely all that they would need. And still better than a low-end Intel CPU, thus far. HD630 is still only so good, and 2CU Vega seems to meet or exceed that capability.

I'm eager to see if a 220GE Athlon APU, has a 6CU Vega, and/or is 4C/4T, because that would IMHO really shake things up good for AMD against Intel's low-end. It would be decisively better than their lower-end CPUs, instead of just slightly. Assuming that the price was under $70.

Edit: Zen core, 4C/4T, 4-6CU Vega, and a 3.3Ghz or better clock-speed, even locked, would likely wipe the floor with Intel's 2C/4T Pentium chips, especially with a 6CU Vega, if AMD matches or beats Intel's price on those range of CPUs.
 
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