Athlon 5350 mini video Review

[EPLE]

Hi there, I have been a long time passive Anandtech reader and decided to make my first hardware review :awe:

So a week ago i ordered an Athlon 5350 and an Asrock ITX AM1B and received it yesterday! I checked on the web and noticed a lack of reviews so i thought id be the first

Unboxing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcHWC1EPjjU

System:

CPU: Athlon 5350 25w @ 2.05 GHZ (25 Euro)
MB: ASROCK AM1B ITX (50 Euro)
BIOS Version: 1.10
PSU 1: No name 350w
PSU 2: !!UPDATE!! Be Quiet! SFX Power 2 300w (80 PLUS Bronze)
SSD; Samsung EVO 840 250Gb
Ram: Gskill Sniper 1866 (running 1600)
SYS: Windows 7 Professional 64bit
CASE: None (Open Air)
Catalyst Version: 13.12

NO OVERCLOCK POSSIBLE

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New stock cooler Specs:

Heatsink dimensions without fan:

H x W x L (cm)
2.3 x 5.2 x 5.2

Heatsink + Fan dimensions:

H x W x L (cm)
4 x 5.2 x 5.2

Fan size:

50 x 50 x 17 mm

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Power Usage & Temperature:

PSU NO NAME 350w

BIOS
36W ---- CPU 35° ---- MB 31*

----- Utility (Asrock A Tuning) -----

Prime 95 4 Threads
47W ---- CPU 37° ---- MB 33°

Prime 95 2 Threads + Furmark
51.5W ---- CPU 39° ---- MB 34°

Windows IDLE
25.3W ---- CPU 33° ---- MB 31°

!!!UPDATE!!! Be Quiet! SFX Power 2 300w (80 PLUS Bronze)

BIOS
30.4W ---- CPU 35° ---- MB 31*

----- Utility (Asrock A Tuning) -----

Prime 95 4 Threads
40W ---- CPU 37° ---- MB 33°

Prime 95 4 Threads + Furmark
45W ---- CPU 39° ---- MB 34°

Windows IDLE
19W ---- CPU 33° ---- MB 31°

Just to explain what i did, i just disconnected the fan for 10 min and ran Prime 95 with 4 threads. No airflow inside my room.

Passive Test Prime 95 4 Threads

5 Minutes
CPU: 60°c
MB: 50°c

10 Minutes
CPU: 67°c
MB: 53°c

Passive Test Prime 95 4 Threads + Furmark

5 Minutes
CPU: 60°c
MB: 47°c

10 Minutes
CPU: 67°c
MB: 52°c

15 Minutes
CPU: 70°c
MB: 54°c

Important: During the passive test when it got very hot the CPU clocked automatically to 800 megahertz, the temperature remained at 70°C but power consumption fell to around 35W. I could not read the GPU Clock. The temperature seems to control the clock speed.... :S

Passive Test Idle (Windows Desktop)
15 Minutes
CPU: 48°c
MB: 45°c

30 Minutes
CPU: 50
MB: 45

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BENCHING

Cinebench R15

OpenGL 13.38 FPS
CPU 159

Cinebench R11.5
@Tralalak

OpenGL 13.48 FPS
CPU 1.99

3DMark Basic Edition (Default settings)

Firestrike 1.1 ----- 381
Cloud Gate 1.1 ----- 2563
Ice Storm 1.2 ----- 29066

Passmark Performancetest 8.0

Run1: 1186.9
Run2: 1199

SiSoftware Sandra

2.31 kPT

Left 4 Dead 2

Resolution : 1280 x 720
Settings on: Medium
Anisotrophic: x2
Vertical Sync: Disabled

FPS:
Min 37
Avg 54
Max 83

Resolution : 1920 x 1080
Settings on: Medium
Anisotrophic: x2
Vertical Sync: Disabled
Game: Versus
Players: 7

FPS:
Min 23
Avg 30
Max 42

Counterstrike

Resolution : 1920 x 1080
Players : 18
Map : de_dust2

FPS
Min 48
Avg 63
Max 89

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Am1 is partially about getting affordable hardware to developing countries. This is AMD's Raspberry Pi. Kind of.. Also makes a great HTPC.

Please check AMD's marketing Slides.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Ha...lerie/2156448/

Enjoy Guys & Girls


I must add that i have owned and tried every single AMD stock cooler since Athlon XP and shockingly the am1 cooler dosent make any noise ??? it also remains all the time under 38 °C.

Keep in mind i have no case

Greetings from Germany

Alex

 

[Erenhardt]

Have you tried to overclock it?
Do you have a dedicated graphics card? Does it run crysis? Or lets say dota/League of legends/torchlight or other light games? Would love to see more.

 

[monstercameron]

Have you tried to overclock it?
Do you have a dedicated graphics card? Does it run crysis? Or lets say dota/League of legends/torchlight or other light games? Would love to see more.

just lol. I know it does but this is too funny.

 

[EPLE]

Power Usage & Temperature:


BIOS
36W ---- CPU 35° ---- MB 31*

----- Utility (Asrock A Tuning) -----

Prime 95 4 Threads
47W ---- CPU 37° ---- MB 33°

Prime 95 2 Threads + Furmark
51.5W ---- CPU 39° ---- MB 34°

Windows IDLE
25.3W ---- CPU 33° ---- MB 31°


Noise:
It makes no noise

OC:
I could not find any Overclocking Settings in the Bios but you can only adjust the RAM speed (Max 1600). Maybe its an early BIOS version but than again i would not expect to much of an 25 Euro mobo

I tried using the Asrock overclocking utility but it wont load it just crashes.

Not much to do here. Benchmarks will follow!

 

[Erenhardt]

Its is running really cool. Try running it in passive mode

 

[EPLE]

Have you tried to overclock it?
Do you have a dedicated graphics card? Does it run crysis? Or lets say dota/League of legends/torchlight or other light games? Would love to see more.

I could test it with my GTX 690 but my internet is to slow to download Crysis

 

[VirtualLarry]

Thanks for the review. With Newegg and Amazon no longer carrying the 1037U-based Brix box, I may wait for the 5350 Kabini and an ASrock mobo to hit Stateside, to use for my new HTPC.

Edit: How does Kabini ST performance compare with 45nm Core2 performance?

 

[cbn]

Its is running really cool. Try running it in passive mode

+1.

 

[cbn]

Edit: How does Kabini ST performance compare with 45nm Core2 performance?

Some passmark scores:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E8400+@+3.00GHz

(E8400, 3GHz dual core= 2163)

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A6-5200+APU

(A6 5200, 2GHz quad core= 2435)

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+E1-2100+APU&id=1968

(E1-2100, 1GHz dual core= 607)

According this particular benchmark it appears Jaguar IPC is within 20% of Wolfdale, but of course the Core 2 duo frequency is much higher.

EDIT: Since Passmark is a multi-threaded benchmark a person needs to either divide the A6-5200 score in half or use the E1-2100 score as a staring point for a dual core comparison. Either way appears to give the ~ equivalent CPU marks per Jaguar core per GHz.

 

[EPLE]

That's all i can do today, but the system works well, not a single crash


Cinebench R15

OpenGL 13.38 FPS
CPU 159


3DMark Basic Edition (Default Options)

Firestrike 1.1 ----- 358
Cloud Gate 1.1 ----- 2411
Ice Storm 1.2 ----- 24854

Left 4 Dead 2
Resolution : 1280 x 720
Settings on: Medium
Anisotrophic: x2
Vertical Sync: Disabled

FPS:
Min 37
Avg 54
Max 83


Counterstrike
Resolution : 1920 x 1080
Players : 18
Map : de_Dust2

FPS
Min 48
Avg 63
Max 89

 

[monstercameron]

your icestorm and cloudgate score seems very low
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2343102&highlight=

 

[EPLE]

I will run 3dmark again i dedicated 2 gigs of ram to the GPU.


Passmark Performancetest 8.0

1186.9

 

[sandorski]

How does it run 1080p Netflix? Assuming that's still an issue these days, maybe not.

 

[monstercameron]

How does it run 1080p Netflix? Assuming that's still an issue these days, maybe not.

windows 8 didnt have an issue on my kabini review with the metro client nor the silverlight client with max bitrate.

 

[escrow4]

*Snort*

I'd bet a Snapdragon quad smartphone, say Nexus 5, is as fast.

 

[EPLE]

@MonsterCameron you where right about the low score. After dedicating 2 gigabyte to the GPU I go this:

3DMark Basic Edition (TAKE 2)

Firestrike 1.1 ----- 381
Cloud Gate 1.1 ----- 2563
Ice Storm 1.2 ----- 29066

I also reran Cinebench which returned with the same result.

All the other benchmarks where done with two Gigabyte dedicated to GPU therefore should be correct.

 

[monstercameron]

I know BF4 is like 20Gb but cant you try some kind of mantle benckmark like staswarm [ http://store.steampowered.com/app/267130/ ]

 

[Infraction Jack]

Are you able to overclock at all with k-10 Stat? I am looking to get one of these to pair with a hd 7750.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Those numbers aren't terrible for such a cheap 25 watt TDP CPU.

 

[SPBHM]

According this particular benchmark it appears Jaguar IPC is within 20% of Wolfdale, but of course the Core 2 duo frequency is much higher.

the 5350 (2.05GHz) score on CB11.5 is CPU 159
my 45nm C2Q at 2.00GHz scored 223, so the difference can be higher.

 

[VirtualLarry]

the 5350 (2.05GHz) score on CB11.5 is CPU 159
my 45nm C2Q at 2.00GHz scored 223, so the difference can be higher.

Kabini / AM1 is only single-channel memory though, right?

 

[monstercameron]

Kabini / AM1 is only single-channel memory though, right?

yes single channel ddr3 1600 MHz

 

[SPBHM]

Kabini / AM1 is only single-channel memory though, right?

this is cinebench, memory hardly have a significant effect, and my C2Q was running with single channel DDR2 800 CL6, so half the memory bandwidth, much higher latency and so on...

but when I tested single vs dual channel on my i3 it didn't change the result for CB.

single channel for Kabini is fine outside of IGP performance, and maybe something like winrar and memory specific benchamrks, it's not to significant for most things.

 

[sm625]

EDIT: Since Passmark is a multi-threaded benchmark a person needs to either divide the A6-5200 score in half or use the E1-2100 score as a staring point for a dual core comparison. Either way appears to give the ~ equivalent CPU marks per Jaguar core per GHz.

Passmark has a single threaded benchmark so there is no need to butcher the multithreaded score to arrive at a single thread estimate. An E8400 scores 1256. An E8600 scores 1378. Kabini (A6-5200 @ 2GHz) scores only 774. A simple linear extrapolation tells us that a 2 GHz kabini is roughly the same as a 1.7GHz wolfdale. There is no way I could recommend that level of performance for anyone. Not in 2014. It would choke on just about any basic task. There is way more javascript running on today's browsers compared to 5 years ago when a 1.7GHz wolfdale was enough. I think it is a tragedy that AMD is releasing a 25 watt part that cannot significantly outperform a 10W intel CULV from 4 years ago. Putting gpu aside, of course. All I can say about the gpu is that I didnt stop using my intel CULV ultraportable because of its anemic 4500MHD gpu. I stopped because the cpu clock and IPC were too low for general web surfing usage.

 

[sm625]

Note that intel has a pentium 3556U which is a 15W part that scores 905 in the single thread benchmark, vs 25W kabini's 778. This chip can be found in a Dell Inspiron 11 3137 for just over $400. But even more significant is the pentium 3350M which is slightly more power (37W) but this chip is almost identical to a wolfdale E8600 in performance.

 

[monstercameron]

the a6-5200 can browse just fine. It can also watch netflix, youtube, hulu, every other online media just fine. hell it can even game a little. that was a silly post or do you really mean to tell me that you recommend everybody atleast get an fx6 or i3?