Athlon 5350 mini video Review

[Abwx]

That was a bit hasty.

Surprisingly so, but a 750ti is clearly massively bottlenecked in a large number of titles. A slightly more expensive Pentium and a cheaper 7790 seems a better value.

Whatever the possible alternatives a 5350 is enough to make quite a number of games playable with a 750ti, it is obvious from the benchs posted by SMxx and that there s CPUs that can do better doesnt invalidate this point.

 

[Enigmoid]

Whatever the possible alternatives a 5350 is enough to make quite a number of games playable with a 750ti, it is obvious from the benchs posted by SMxx and that there s CPUs that can do better doesnt invalidate this point.

5350 and 750ti :

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Genera...rm-and-Athlon-5350-GTX-750-Ti-1080p-under-450

Can it play? Yes. Can it play well? Probably not.

The settings in the review you linked are unclear for several games, but Metro is unplayable and Civ 5, BF4, and hitman are borderline (don't know minimums or frame times). Grid 2 and Skyrim are decently though not ideally playable (40+ fps). Bioshock will perform nicely. Crysis 3 is GPU limited so its impossible to know if the 5350 can hit 30 fps. BF4 is also GPU limited so a conclusion can't be drawn.

Never the less, one can easily see that a 750Ti is too much GPU for a 5350. Hitting 30 fps cannot be guaranteed and hitting 60 fps will be nearly impossible.

 

[Madpacket]

My experience testing the 7970 and 750 TI on a 5350 Kabini is as follows:

Some games are perfectly playable on 750 TI such as Crysis 3 but clearly are not when paired up with a more powerful card such as the 7970. The reverse is true when playing multiplayer BF4 with mantle enabled.

However the overall trend in the games I compared is that the 750 TI requires a little less CPU speed than the Radeon 7970 when paired up with a Kabini 5350. The framerates were a little higher and more consistent with the Geforce card even though I was comparing it to a more powerful card - the 7970.

How these performance characteristics translate into other cards (say vs. Radeon 250) would be interesting to know and perhaps this will be a case of it really depends on the game tested but of the games I ran the Geforce provided a better experience paired up with the 5350.


Please keep in mind many games were perfectly playable using the 5350 with both Radeon and Geforce cards. The amount of games there were unplayable were small compared to the playable ones. This will only get better with DX12 and Mantle.

My 2 cents.

 

[mum1989]

Ouch, even the cheapo Celeron G1820 (replaced by the faster Celeron G1840) totally walks over Kabini in the dGPU gaming tests. No surprise here really (more than >2x Kabini's ST performance and better MT performance), its just amazing that some people are trying to push this as a cheap alternative to other Intel/AMD solutions with dGPUs. If you eant serious gaming on the cheap you might want to look at Haswell Celeron/Pentium or even Athlon X4.

+1 Absolutly

 

[TeknoBug]

I have a Shadowplay recording of Paracel Storm multiplayer using the 750Ti on both an i5 3550 and i7 3770K, as low as 42fps and as high as 60, usually around 50fps and no real eyecandy loss, mostly medium settings with texture filtering high and mesh ultra. Paracel and Shanghai are the most demanding maps so far and I get around that with the 750Ti, definitely more stable fps than my 560Ti.

 

[Soulbreaker]

Did anyone try to see power consumption with this motherboard http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.it.asp?Model=AM1H-ITX and a DC adapter?

Or did you find any article about it?

Thanks!

 

[Abwx]

Did anyone try to see power consumption with this motherboard http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.it.asp?Model=AM1H-ITX and a DC adapter?

Or did you find any article about it?

Thanks!

You can find some infos here :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2378369

 

[cbn]

Although Kabini is obviously slower than a $43 Intel Celeron dual core, I still just wonder if AMD ends up eventually releasing any iGPU less Kabini AM1 desktop chips like they do with the Trinity and Richland based FM2 Athlon x4 750K and Athlon x4 760K?

Eventually they should have enough harvested dies. I just wonder how much they would sell it for?

 

[Yuriman]

Although Kabini is obviously slower than a $43 Intel Celeron dual core, I still just wonder if AMD ends up eventually releasing any iGPU less Kabini AM1 desktop chips like they do with the Trinity and Richland based FM2 Athlon x4 750K and Athlon x4 760K?

Eventually they should have enough harvested dies. I just wonder how much they would sell it for?

The need for harvested dies goes down quite a bit when you have smaller dies. With a given number of defects, there will be a smaller percentage of CPUs affected because defects (as I understand it) tend to be "points" on the wafer that are bad. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see any harvested Kabini chips.

 

[cbn]

The need for harvested dies goes down quite a bit when you have smaller dies. With a given number of defects, there will be a smaller percentage of CPUs affected because defects (as I understand it) tend to be "points" on the wafer that are bad. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see any harvested Kabini chips.

Yes, that is how I understand it as well (smaller die size = less chance for defects).

With that mentioned, AMD does have the dual core Kabini chips releasing very early in the cycle.

....but thinking about this more I am seriously skeptical they will do this.

Even a quad core Kabini is not really worth too much without the iGPU. About the only uses I can think of would be people that already happen to have a discrete video lying around.....or for headless server.

Maybe instead of iGPU less, they could have a version with less GCN stream processors enabled. I would take a dual core with 64 GCN stream processors if such a SOC was possible.

EDIT: If AMD could even ship the dual core/64 stream processor GCN SOC without the fan for the heatsink so much the better. They save some bucks not having to supply the fan and hopefully pass the savings to me....then I get to run fanless.

 

[cbn]

Even 32 GCN units would probably be fine come to think of it provided the clocks were high enough.

EDIT: Since I have read each GCN compute unit is composed of 64 stream processors lets throw the idea of 32 GCN stream processors out the window.

 

[Abwx]

So far Anandtech AM1 review didnt include power comsumption numbers but there is some on Intel s Avoton review :

Numbers seemed to me high for many plateforms before i did read this :

Power consumption was tested on the system as a whole with a wall meter connected to the OCZ 1250W power supply, while in a single MSI GTX 770 Lightning GPU configuration. This power supply is Gold rated, and as I am in the UK on a 230-240 V supply, leads to ~75% efficiency > 50W, and 90%+ efficiency at 250W, which is suitable for both idle and multi-GPU loading.

Great, but then Anand explain that :

While this method for power measurement may not be ideal, and you feel these numbers are not representative due to the high wattage power supply being used (we use the same PSU to remain consistent over a series of reviews, and the fact that some boards on our test bed get tested with three or four high powered GPUs), the important point to take away is the relationship between the numbers.

Indeed but then the absolute numbers matters as much if not more than the difference between iddle and loaded when measured with such an inadequate set up, in short if the plateform consume less than or 50W its power draw will be artificialy inflated by 25%, that is 12.5W are added, while if it consume 250W it will be granted only 10% artificial power draw, that is 25W.

So when doing comparison not only differences in power comsumption bu also in PSU efficency must be taken into account, overall a messy protocol that would better be replaced by a relevant testbed as the current ones, and not only at AT, are anything but professionals.

 

[Soulbreaker]

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Any info about this oc?

 

[coercitiv]

http://valid.canardpc.com/xfs78d
Any info about this oc?

Well, all I can add is what I already tested: using Asus AM1I-A and Athlon 5350 I was able to reach 2.7Ghz.

The main problem in going even further seemed to be the mainboard OC features. The mATX Asus AM1M-A board may very well solve these problems since it brings Load Line Calibration and adjustable North Bridge voltage among other things. Add a lucky Kabini chip and it may work.

However, keep in mind the stock cooler barely handles 2.7Ghz @ 1.5V.

 

[DrMrLordX]

That core voltage is truly unfortunate. I can't help but think that any Kabini chip run with that much voltage will degrade fairly quickly.

 

[f1r3s1d3]

That core voltage is truly unfortunate. I can't help but think that any Kabini chip run with that much voltage will degrade fairly quickly.

You'd be surprised. People run 22nm Intel's at 1.5v 24/7. Shit, I ran C2D's under water at close to 1.6v 24/7. Ran my old FX-6350 @ 1.51v 24/7 @ 4.8GHz without a hiccup for months on end.

 

[SlowSpyder]

That core voltage is truly unfortunate. I can't help but think that any Kabini chip run with that much voltage will degrade fairly quickly.

Even if it failed in a few years, by then these things will probably be $15 on the used market. They're not too expensive new, now.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Yeah, just makes me sad to see a good chip die. Sometimes they go slowly, which is even more agonizing, especially if you're the one stuck using them . . . but with chips that cheap, hey, why not?

 

[cbn]

Well, all I can add is what I already tested: using Asus AM1I-A and Athlon 5350 I was able to reach 2.7Ghz.

The main problem in going even further seemed to be the mainboard OC features. The mATX Asus AM1M-A board may very well solve these problems since it brings Load Line Calibration and adjustable North Bridge voltage among other things. Add a lucky Kabini chip and it may work.

However, keep in mind the stock cooler barely handles 2.7Ghz @ 1.5V.

Do either of the ASUS boards (or any other AM1 board for that matter) allow someone to disable cpu cores?

(For testing and comparson purposes, I would like to disable two cores on a quad core chip.)

 

[Ventanni]

Just for fun, is anyone able to play Planetside2 on the 5350 w/ 750ti just to see how it runs? I doubt all that well, but hey, why not try right?

 

[Shivansps]

The thing is, if you gona do any gaming with a dgpu you probably better off paying the $0 extra and go for a G1820 instead.

 

[monstercameron]

The thing is, if you gona do any gaming with a dgpu you probably better off paying the $0 extra and go for a G1820 instead.

jesus, how many times must you guys bring this up?

 

[Shivansps]

jesus, how many times must you guys bring this up?

Until people stop talking about dGPU on a 5350, it just defeat its purpose.

 

[Namisecond]

Did anyone try to see power consumption with this motherboard http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.it.asp?Model=AM1H-ITX and a DC adapter?

Or did you find any article about it?

Thanks!

Running on an old 90W Liteon laptop ac adapter, I get the following results from my AM1H-ITX and an Athlon 5350 2.5" SSD and 2x2GB DDR3 1600

Idle: 17-18W
Highest peak while running Passmark 8: 37W
While Playing the 2009 Star Trek 1080p bluray rip (MPC-HC): 25-26W

To contrast, I have a Pentium G3220 with MSI H81I S1150 with a Seasonic 300W 80+ Bronze TFX PSU, 2x2GB DDR3 1333 memory, 2.5" SSD.

Idle: 20-21W
Highest peak while running Passmark 8: 45-46W
While Playing the 2009 Star Trek 1080p bluray rip (MPC-HC): 24W (amazingly stable between 23.5-23.9W)

power readings via Kill-A-Watt EZ power meter.

2 things to comment something about the Athlon 5350:
1. Passmarks 2D graphics performance was abnormally low. I'm getting older and my eyesight is going so I can't say for sure, but even moving windows around rapidly on the desktop seemed like there was a hint of tearing or shadow trails. Scores were about a third of the Pentium's
2. Memory bandwidth despite using 1600 memory at 9-9-9-24 timings, was very low, like about a third of the pentium's score.

Somehow I get the distinct impression those 2 are related...

 

[JAVA Alive]

Hi,


Does anyone know if this motherboard (ASROCK AM1B ITX) can stop fan at low temp ?
If yes, what kind of setup can be done about that ? (choose what temp will start the fan, etc)
Can this motherboard do this also for fan case ?

Thanks !