Note that intel has a pentium 3556U which is a 15W part that scores 905 in the single thread benchmark, vs 25W kabini's 778. This chip can be found in a Dell Inspiron 11 3137 for just over $400. But even more significant is the pentium 3350M which is slightly more power (37W) but this chip is almost identical to a wolfdale E8600 in performance.
Passmark has a single threaded benchmark so there is no need to butcher the multithreaded score to arrive at a single thread estimate. An E8400 scores 1256. An E8600 scores 1378. Kabini (A6-5200 @ 2GHz) scores only 774. A simple linear extrapolation tells us that a 2 GHz kabini is roughly the same as a 1.7GHz wolfdale. There is no way I could recommend that level of performance for anyone. Not in 2014. It would choke on just about any basic task. There is way more javascript running on today's browsers compared to 5 years ago when a 1.7GHz wolfdale was enough. I think it is a tragedy that AMD is releasing a 25 watt part that cannot significantly outperform a 10W intel CULV from 4 years ago. Putting gpu aside, of course. All I can say about the gpu is that I didnt stop using my intel CULV ultraportable because of its anemic 4500MHD gpu. I stopped because the cpu clock and IPC were too low for general web surfing usage.
Passmark has a single threaded benchmark so there is no need to butcher the multithreaded score to arrive at a single thread estimate. An E8400 scores 1256. An E8600 scores 1378. Kabini (A6-5200 @ 2GHz) scores only 774. A simple linear extrapolation tells us that a 2 GHz kabini is roughly the same as a 1.7GHz wolfdale. There is no way I could recommend that level of performance for anyone. Not in 2014. It would choke on just about any basic task. There is way more javascript running on today's browsers compared to 5 years ago when a 1.7GHz wolfdale was enough. I think it is a tragedy that AMD is releasing a 25 watt part that cannot significantly outperform a 10W intel CULV from 4 years ago. Putting gpu aside, of course. All I can say about the gpu is that I didnt stop using my intel CULV ultraportable because of its anemic 4500MHD gpu. I stopped because the cpu clock and IPC were too low for general web surfing usage.
thats all good but do they cost under 30 euro?
I'm curious about the AM1 heatsink mounting mechanism. From the youtube video, it looked like the heatsink had two "outrigger" holes on either end. How do those mount into the mobo holes, and can they be removed without damaging them?
The Celeron 1037U mini-itx boards are pretty comparable in price to AM1 board + 5350. Granted no upgrade option, which will be somewhat relevent for AM1 if the faster and more efficient Kabini replacement drops in.
Also the 1037U retail selection has begun to shrink, looks like the board makers are planning to replace them in the sub-$100 with slower but more efficient Atom mini-itx boards.
To the opening poster, can you benchmark Left for Dead 2 at 1080p please, thanks.
I updated the first post. 1080p wasn't exactly the best experience I do not recommend it.
Check post one again, under system. I think its still under powered for a steam box. But its fun to play around with. It will replace my E350 itx HTPC which was a real pain in the A** ^^
PASSIVE COOLING TEMP TEST
Just to explain what i did, i just disconnected the fan for 10 min and ran Prime 95 with 4 threads. No airflow inside my room.
Passive Test Prime 95 4 Threads
5 Minutes
CPU: 60°c
MB: 50°c
10 Minutes
CPU: 67°c
MB: 53°c
Passive Test Idle (Windows Desktop)
15 Minutes
CPU: 48°c
MB: 45°c
30 Minutes
CPU: 50
MB: 45
That ECS Kabini dual-core ITX board making the rounds in the Hot Deals forum ($32 AR), has a completely passive heatsink.Now I am hopeful the dual core Kabini DT APUs will be able to run completely passive (assuming the bin isn't really bad for some reason) in a cramped and poorly ventilated SFF case with two or three 3.5" hard drives.
That ECS Kabini dual-core ITX board making the rounds in the Hot Deals forum ($32 AR), has a completely passive heatsink.
Edit: Kabini's SoC design only has two SATA ports on it, btw. ASRock's ITX AM1 mobos include a secondary ASMedia chip for two additional SATA ports. (One of the reasons that I want an ASRock AM1 board specifically, for my new HTPC. I want an SSD, a Blu-Ray, and 1-2 storage HDDs.
Unfortunately I'll bet the total package with CPU will be quite expensive compared to what a person could buy from Intel. But maybe I will be wrong and we will see prices settle sometime after the launch.
OP can you test with cinebench R10 so we can compare IPC with K8 and K10? It seems most of those CPUs on the Anand bench are run with R10.
Thanks!
Further questioning to Adam Kozak has suggested that the AM1 systems should support memory overclocking above the verified DDR3-1600 MHz speed. Unfortunately these APUs will not have any Turbo Core technology however, nor will they support CPU overclocking.