Athlon 5350 mini video Review

[Abwx]

The chip will reduce frequency and voltage such that its max temp is 60°C if such is the value in the bios, whatever the heatsink, now if it allow 15W at this temp the chip will drain as much as 15W , put a heatsink three times less efficient and the chip will limit its comsumption to 5W and keep its temp at 60°C...

 

[AtenRa]

I understand all of that, nevertheless, no one cares for what are they intended

You mean YOU dont care, i dont believe you speak for every user, every OEM, every integrator etc.

we decide what to use in each sector

Again, YOU decide. You have to learn that what you want is not what the rest of the market would use.

what i gona do first, as well as everyone,

That is your mistake, not everyone will do the same just because you think that is the best or that everyone does the same.

If im making a desktop matx pc, who cares if its pasive or not? who cares about 20W? Price/Performance its the winner here.

Again, you only speak for Yourself. Others have other ideas as to how they want their desktops, HTPCs etc.

If I need to make a pc as cheapest as possible, ill probably go

If I need to make a HTPC I gona go for either:

Yes, that is what YOU want and what YOU gonna do, not everyone else thinks or want the same as YOU.

Im not saying no one gona use it, there is always someone that will need something very specific.

So, after all that I want, I would use, I'm gonna do, Nobody going to, Who's gonna buy ?? , Why buy that ?? we come full circle to there are someone that need something special.

Just because YOU think, it doesnt mean everyone else thinks or want the the same. Also, if Baytrail was enough for everyone why Intel would spend money to produce Haswell Celerons and Pentiums ?? Why spend more money to produce Core i3 ??? nobody here recommends an i3, 99% of AT users will tell you that Celeron is fine for entry and then buy a Core i5 for Gaming.

So to finish with this debate, AM1 directly competes with Atom based Celerons and Pentiums. Yes the highest AM1 model has the same price as entry level Haswell Celeron. But one has 20W maximum power and Haswell has 60W max power consumption (according to links you provided). Kabini is meant for one market and Haswell for another, the faster you realize that the better.

 

[Yuriman]

I agree AtenRa, though there's at least a sliver of truth in what Shivansps was saying, namely that AMD making a chip intended for a certain market doesn't necessarily mean it will succeed there. People will choose the chip that best matches their needs, and Kabini won't necessarily best match the needs of those AMD is marketing the chip to, resulting in them not buying it.

He made a lot of assumptions about what others want and will buy, but only time will tell if it's a failure or a success.

I, personally, would be interested in a Kabini system. Atom would serve just as well, but at a similar price I'll take Kabini (for my specific needs).

 

[AtenRa]

I agree AtenRa, though there's at least a sliver of truth in what Shivansps was saying, namely that AMD making a chip intended for a certain market doesn't necessarily mean it will succeed there. People will choose the chip that best matches their needs, and Kabini won't necessarily best match the needs of those AMD is marketing the chip to, resulting in them not buying it.

He made a lot of assumptions about what others want and will buy, but only time will tell if it's a failure or a success.

I, personally, would be interested in a Kabini system. Atom would serve just as well, but at a similar price I'll take Kabini (for my specific needs).

Well, my point from the start is not if Desktop Kabini will be successful or not.
My argument is, that just because ONLY ONE SKU (Athlon 8350) has the same price as Entry level Haswell Celerons doesnt mean Desktop Kabini directly competes with Haswell but with ATOM based Celerons/Pentiums.

 

[tential]

It just seems so odd to me. I absolutely love computers, I don't game and buy a video cards every few years when mine breaks but I love when Amd or Nvidia releases a good product, I rarely upgrade my pc but I love that Intel as been able to continue to make solid gains with each generation and is able to offer a quality product at multiple price points, I love that AMD has seemed to figure out what type of company they want to be and have now put out good competitive solutions at multiple sectors/price points.

The idea that because a good product isn't targeted at me or isn't made by a company I'm a fan of and thus must argue against the product just seems strange to me and it's quite disrespectful to hijack the post from the author of this thread who did a lot of nice work benchmarking his hardware.

Ya. This isn't my typical processor that I'd purchase but I'd REALLY like to try it now. It's cheap, quadcore, and may be useful for a small HTPC box. I do like it though that people compare it to the intel similar cost solutions.

I feel though that user experience is kind of important with these low cost solutions. Benchmarks tell part of the story but with a low cost solution you want to know how the experience is.

Edit: I don't believe KAbini is a win for AMD in any way. I think it's "competitive" though. It's the most competitive AMD has been in any segment. The HTPC market is HUGE. There is a huge market for dedicated XBMC/HTPC machines that is growing and growing as more people are looking for that perfect "set top box" for their HDTV.
AMD can't compete with the top end intel chips on performance. Where AMD is trying to compete is the "Good enough" experience. I think this is where the real money will be in the future. For users here, yes maybe you care about the benchmarks and which processor is faster. For the average PC user. They don't care that intel is slightly faster. Or that it may draw slightly less watts in certain usage situations. They care that AMD will be able to offer just good enough performance for web browsing/video watching, and do it at a price cheaper than intel in a smaller platform.

It's not a decisive win by any means, but it's a good start for AMD in getting into a growing market of lower power/low cost machines. Also lets them hit developing countries more effectively. I normally have nothing good to say about AMD (There really isn't anything good to say about most of their products), but Kabini isn't bad by any means. I wish there was a Combo deal with a small case that would make me happy right now but it's still something I definitely would consider purchasing as a set top box.

 

[Abwx]

Fanless MB + BGA 4C A4-5000 from Biostar, link from mum1989 at Hardware.fr

http://www.comptoir-hardware.com/ac...arte-mere-fanless-en-kabini-chez-biostar.html

 

[bgt]

Allthough the AM1 platform is nice it suffers a bit with software which use a lot of resources like f.i. Malwarebytes Anti-Malware. Also in combination with a viruscanner which uses a lot of resources, like Comodo f.i., I noticed a heavy CPU utilization percentage and because of this a bit of stuttering.
Did anyone try this also?

 

[Madpacket]

Allthough the AM1 platform is nice it suffers a bit with software which use a lot of resources like f.i. Malwarebytes Anti-Malware. Also in combination with a viruscanner which uses a lot of resources, like Comodo f.i., I noticed a heavy CPU utilization percentage and because of this a bit of stuttering.
Did anyone try this also?

Yes I have noticed that this processor and AV don't mix well. When I was performing some BF4 benchmarks I noticed lower than expected results and having a look at the running processes I saw Windows defender chewing up a good 25-30% CPU. I ended up disabling AV for the benchmarks to get consistent results, something I haven't had to do on stronger platforms.

I guess for Linux users this wouldn't be an issue but it really affects Windows.

 

[coercitiv]

with a viruscanner which uses a lot of resources, like Comodo f.i., I noticed a heavy CPU utilization percentage and because of this a bit of stuttering.

This is how a Comodo scan looks like on Kabini & Kingston V180+ 128GB SSD

This is how a Comodo scan looks like on Core i7 & Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD.

 

[bgt]

Impressive. But on a Pentium G3220 system or a i3-4130 I did not see this stutter. It is not a problem when it does not scan but any activity from Malwarebytes and Comodo gives a stutter. I have to find out whats best. I always use Comodo/Kaspersky+Malwarebytes on my PC's and never noticed it. My A4-5300 f.i. has less noticable stutter when scanning. Using Kaspersky KIS is already better then Comodo Internet Security Pro. Bitdefender Internet Security even better. CPU's with very high end frequencies seems to be the better part here.

Tested with Comodo scan.

 

[shady28]

About Power of Kabini vs BT-D, the STH guys tested them with a PICO PSU.

5350
http://www.servethehome.com/Workstation-detail/amd-athlon-5350-linux-benchmarks-review/

3850
http://www.servethehome.com/Workstation-detail/amd-sempron-3850-benchmarks-review-quad-core-am1-soc/

J1900
http://www.servethehome.com/Server-detail/supermicro-x10sba-review/

They are petty much the same and the J1900 board it way more loaded with stuff, by far.
It also shows the J1900 running with a joke heat sink and not getting too hot.

So the 5350 appears to pull less power than the old fanless D525.

Anyone know if someone has tried to run a Sempron 3850 without a fan?

 

[Abwx]

5350 and 750ti :

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Genera...rm-and-Athlon-5350-GTX-750-Ti-1080p-under-450

 

[SPBHM]

5350 and 750ti :

http://cdn.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/review/2014-04-18/results.png

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Genera...rm-and-Athlon-5350-GTX-750-Ti-1080p-under-450

if he used 4K and the 4960x it would look even better for Kabini!!!1!!

 

[Abwx]

if he used 4K and the 4960x it would look even better for Kabini!!!1!!

Or worse for the 4960....Neverless some games are perfectly playable, that s the point of this review, that a 750ti doesnt need more than this tiny APU.

 

[Yuriman]

Or worse for the 4960....Neverless some games are perfectly playable, that s the point of this review, that a 750ti doesnt need more than this tiny APU.

I'd like to have seen them adjust settings to get at least 35 or 40fps in most games with the i7 and see where kavini falls. 16fps in Crysis3 with max settings is rather uninformative.

Granted, I'm surprised by those results even so.

 

[SPBHM]

Or worse for the 4960....Neverless some games are perfectly playable, that s the point of this review, that a 750ti doesnt need more than this tiny APU.

the review is pointless

Crysis 3 16FPS

realistic settings:

do you think the CPU performance difference would be the same as with the game at 16FPS with GTX Titan settings?

you say a Kabini is fine for a 750 Ti

realistic settings tell a different story, even a much slower 250 benefit greatly from faster CPUs using realistic settings

http://pclab.pl/art57195-7.html
"that a 750ti doesnt need more than this tiny APU."

is clearly absurd.

Kabini is not a gaming CPU,

 

[Face2Face]

I would be interested in seeing how this CPU performs in a Plex media server? I have a 1035T in my server now, but I am looking for something that uses less wattage and in an ITX FF. Wonder how well it would hold up in transcoding up to two 10-15mbps video streams at a time?

 

[Abwx]

the review is pointless

Subscribe to said site and tell them, i posted their benchs and a few games are playable, wether you agree or not will change nothing to said numbers.

 

[Sweepr]

the review is pointless

"that a 750ti doesnt need more than this tiny APU."

is clearly absurd.

Kabini is not a gaming CPU,

Ouch, even the cheapo Celeron G1820 (replaced by the faster Celeron G1840) totally walks over Kabini in the dGPU gaming tests. No surprise here really (more than >2x Kabini's ST performance and better MT performance), its just amazing that some people are trying to push this as a cheap alternative to other Intel/AMD solutions with dGPUs. If you eant serious gaming on the cheap you might want to look at Haswell Celeron/Pentium or even Athlon X4.

 

[Yuriman]

Or worse for the 4960....Neverless some games are perfectly playable, that s the point of this review, that a 750ti doesnt need more than this tiny APU.

That was a bit hasty.

Subscribe to said site and tell them, i posted their benchs and a few games are playable, wether you agree or not will change nothing to said numbers.

Surprisingly so, but a 750ti is clearly massively bottlenecked in a large number of titles. A slightly more expensive Pentium and a cheaper 7790 seems a better value.

 

[Infraction Jack]

In about a week when I get my 5350 I will run a few benchmarks between the 5350, a Celeron g530 and a Core i3 3220 with them all at the same clock speed with a HD 7750.
It will be interesting to see the results.

 

[TeknoBug]

Fanless MB + BGA 4C A4-5000 from Biostar, link from mum1989 at Hardware.fr

http://www.comptoir-hardware.com/ac...arte-mere-fanless-en-kabini-chez-biostar.html

That would be a perfect HTPC, my laptop is an A4 5000 and it handles 1080p videos (excellent with Netflix and Google Play movies) and it being fanless is a plus. However for any other task, you'll end up wanting to throw it out the window on the 23rd floor.

Surprisingly so, but a 750ti is clearly massively bottlenecked in a large number of titles. A slightly more expensive Pentium and a cheaper 7790 seems a better value.

Why would you suggest a 7790 over a 750Ti? The 750Ti can be found up to $30 cheaper than the 7790 and performs better in many games than the 7790 does, especially with the 335-337.* Nvidia drivers, I like my 750Ti. If I were to suggest another card rather than a 7790 it's the R7 265, I'm eager to try one out myself soon.

 

[Yuriman]

That would be a perfect HTPC, my laptop is an A4 5000 and it handles 1080p videos (excellent with Netflix and Google Play movies) and it being fanless is a plus. However for any other task, you'll end up wanting to throw it out the window on the 23rd floor.

Why would you suggest a 7790 over a 750Ti? The 750Ti can be found up to $30 cheaper than the 7790 and performs better in many games than the 7790 does, especially with the 335-337.* Nvidia drivers, I like my 750Ti. If I were to suggest another card rather than a 7790 it's the R7 265, I'm eager to try one out myself soon.

I believe you have it backward. Newegg and Amazon both start at about $150 for the 750ti, while a 7790/R260x goes for around $120 (and can sometimes be found $10-30 cheaper still). Similarly, I picked up my wife's 7850 for $110. The 750ti is undoubtedly faster than a 7790, but it's also undoubtedly more expensive.

How much did you think a 750ti costs?

 

[TeknoBug]

How much did you think a 750ti costs?

I paid $139 for mine.

The 260X's are listed $160-170 here, the 270 is about the same price and a better pick.

 

[Yuriman]

I paid $139 for mine.

The 260X's are listed $160-170 here, the 270 is about the same price and a better pick.

I didn't expect a 260 to be priced the same as a 270. Certainly that's not following MSRP.