Athlon 64 3000+ 939 OEM

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BadThad

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Originally posted by: Cheezeit
dang, I already bought a retail venice for 145.

only downside to this is that OEMs have 1 yr warrenty compared to retail's 3
How many people do you know that actually used the AMD or even Intel warranty? LOL

I've actually done an RMA once from Intel, but I've also built around 1000 systems. Personally, I wouldn't let the warranty thing hold you back. Best thing about the retail/boxed CPU's are the ease of installation with the OEM cooler.

 

freshspace

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How low do you think the price will drop? I already have an extra Socket A chip lying around. Thus, I really can't justify spending more money on another CPU. Besides, can anyone tell me why I should buy another CPU, another mobo (probably NF4 Ultra) and PCIe video card? I have 3 AGP cards lying around. I used to buy too many hot deals items! Dang, this is what happens if you are an ATer.
 

freshspace

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I'm really tempted. How do you know if this is the Venice core, and not the Winchester core?
 

Derektm

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Originally posted by: freshspace
I'm really tempted. How do you know if this is the Venice core, and not the Winchester core?

Because of the Manufacturer Part#: ADA3000DAA4BP
 

DoobieOnline

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Thanks insanity2!!! I've been on the fence about making the move to S939 and this deal just convinced me to do it.
 

Snowice

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Originally posted by: freshspace
How low do you think the price will drop? I already have an extra Socket A chip lying around. Thus, I really can't justify spending more money on another CPU. Besides, can anyone tell me why I should buy another CPU, another mobo (probably NF4 Ultra) and PCIe video card? I have 3 AGP cards lying around. I used to buy too many hot deals items! Dang, this is what happens if you are an ATer.

go sell some of your lying around stuff on the For Sale/Trade forum

 

corinthos

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Cheapest setups I could find:

1. Shuttle AN51/R ($49) + xp64 2800+ ($120) = $169 (this mobo can' only
take Sempron Paris)...

2. Chaintech VNF3-250 ($60) + Semp 2800+ ($69) = $129

3. Chaintech VNF4-Ultra ($80) + xp64 3000+ ($117+11 HSF) = $208


Now only a difference of $39 between #1 and #3, and a difference of $79 between #2 and #3.

Based on some benchmarks I've seen in a review, you can OC Sempy's to run pretty competitively against mid-level XP64 chips, but it lacks 64-bit support. Now with the E6 revision Sempy's coming out (identified by looking for BXBOX in the product ID code. BOBOX = Revision E3 w/ SSE3, BABOX = Palermo revision D0) with 64-bit support, and assuming you'll be able to get one for near the same price as current Sempy's of same speed rating, will it still be worth paying extra for XP64 if you plan to OC the Sempy? I really don't know now...


 

DoobieOnline

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I was worried that this was a price mistake and the order would be cancelled, but I've already received a tracking number and it says the package will be here on Tuesday. Thanks again insanity2!
 

manno

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Originally posted by: Cheezeit
dang, I already bought a retail venice for 145.

only downside to this is that OEMs have 1 yr warranty compared to retail's 3

Actually OEM's are 30 days, and not warranted through AMD, they are handled by the company that sells it to you, ie: Compaq, Acer, Newegg, mwave ect.

This is a great price, but AMD's and Intel's customer service are both very good, especially when it comes to one of your processors dieing within the 3 year warrantied period. I just RMA'd two 2.5 year old XP's 2000+'s, and they sent me back 2 2200+'s. In my opinion retail processors are worth the extra cost. Then again it's going to be a good amount of time before you pick up a retail 3000 at anything near this price. By the way if you buy a retail AMD chip

Don't loose AMD's retail fan!

it's how they determine if you bought a retail, or OEM part. They will not honor the warranty without it. They require you to ship the fan back with the processor.
Good find OP

-manno
 

brikis98

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mine shows $120.95, with free shipping, which is still good.

a decent mobo is the MSI Neo 4-f, has PCI-E x16 and is only $79.99 or so.
 

dealshock

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Hello, need some help here on picking out a Processor and a Motherboard...

I'm looking to build a system, and not sure which processor to use, Intel or AMD. By checking the forums it seem most the people use AMD.

Now, since I'm using it for gaming not sure if it will be better to use Intel or AMD? And will be a reliable motherboard to use?

And tips will be great! Also, if there is a Pros and Cons using either Intel or AMD.

Thanks,

 

corinthos

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Originally posted by: dealshock
Hello, need some help here on picking out a Processor and a Motherboard...

I'm looking to build a system, and not sure which processor to use, Intel or AMD. By checking the forums it seem most the people use AMD.

Now, since I'm using it for gaming not sure if it will be better to use Intel or AMD? And will be a reliable motherboard to use?

And tips will be great! Also, if there is a Pros and Cons using either Intel or AMD.

Thanks,


If you value gaming above all, I'd go with AMD for a better price/performance setup. Intel is good at stuff like video encoding/editing, and the hyperthreaded Intel processors are a bit smoother for more pleasant multitasking.

Which processor and motherboard you should get will in part depend on how much you're willing to spend and how long you plan to keep the system before upgrading parts of it or entirely.

If you're on a tight budget and want the most bang for your buck, primarily for gaming, I'd go with a Sempron/NForce3/Socket 754 setup and put the savings into a better video card and more RAM.

SOCKET 754
-----------------

PROS:
1. Cheaper. Here's a breakdown of the lowest priced setups I've been able to
put together for 939 and 754:

A) - Chaintech VNF4-Ultra 939 Motherboard $ 80
- Athlon 64 3000+ OEM (Venice) $ 117
- Decent Heatsink & Fan $ 12
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$ 209

B) - Chaintech VNF3-250 754 Motherboard $ 58
- Sempron 2800+ w/ HSF Retail $ 64 (got one new off eBay)
(or 2600+ off Newegg for $72) --------
$ 122

2. When overclocked, can get very respectable benchmarks against
the more expensive processors.

3. Reasonably Upgradeable. You'll still have the option of upgrading to a
64-bit Athlon 64 or Sempron 64 (socket 754) chip in the future (new Semprons
with 64-bit support are going to show up soon.)

4. You buy the power and features you will actually use today without paying
extra for "future-proofing" that may make less economical sense by the time
you feel it's necessary to upgrade again. Depending on exactly when that is,
it could be cheaper or not much more to just sell your existing setup and pay
the difference for a complete new CPU and motherboard altogether, rather than
just swap processors. There will be new sockets, new "must-have" on-board
features, new CPU's unsupported by your current motherboard because the
manufacturer has moved on to focus on new products, and etc.

CONS:

1. You have to overclock to get the most value out of this setup, and some folks
aren't comfortable doing that.

2. Won't be able to use dual-core processors with this setup.

3. The more expensive processors, when overclocked, will be even faster.

4. Only the newest Semprons are coming with SSE3 and 64-bit support..

As for Socket 939 pros and cons, it's more likely to support any new Athlon 64 chip that may come out, plus the dual-core chips already out (at the very least) and perhaps future dual-core chips as well. Plus the 939 motherboards will be more current and therefore support more of the latest features, like nvidia firewall, gigabit lan, and etc. Only cons I can think of are it's more expensive and soon there will be a new kid on the block that's even bigger and badder.

My own opinion: 64-bit Windows still isn't quite worth moving to yet. I'd wait
until the devices I plan to use (like TV tuner cards and printers) are better supported, and more applications start to support and take advantage of it.
Similar opinion about SSE3.

As for "future-proofing"... I don't think it's worth it to pay extra if you're on a budget and don't plan to take advantage of the extra benefits the more expensive platform comes with until like 1-2 years later. If you upgrade alot over the course of 1-1.5 years or so, then it might be worth it.

If you're not on a budget, and just want the best performance and most flexibility in the future, go straight to Socket 939 for an extra $90 or so and be done with it.
Might as well go with a PCI-E video card and maybe even replace the power supply with something more powerful that comes with a 24-pin connector if you decide to go that route though.

 
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