Athlon 64 3000+ OEM (Winchester 939) $119 at Monarch

[user1234]

The retail box gives you the warranty and stock-hsf, but if you already have a good hsf (or prefer to get one) and you're not worried about the warranty (because these things are not worth much after a year or two, so if it malfunctions you'll want to buy a new model anyway) then you could save money and get the OEM version for $129. For a good cooler for reasonable price, I recommend the thermaltake A1838 K8 Silent Boost ($25 at monarch), which is what anadtech used in their lab testing during the CPU reviews. I think it's not really worth it to sepnd more on a HSF (like the guy above [pwned]) since even the stock cooler is usually good enough for overclocking (i run my 3000+ at 2.4GHz below 35C with the stock cooler [guy above pwned again]). So compare and save - for example: the guy above buys a retail 3500+ for $315 and Zalman fan for $50, so for a total of $365 he get 2.4GHz performance (at 28-31C !!). You could buy OEM 3000+ ($129) and thermaltake K8 silent boost ($25) for a total of $154 and run it at 2.6GHz (at least), which is common in recent CPUs for less then half the cost. Do your own math and don't take advice from anybody.

 

[user1234]

Price gone up to $149, but if you order the mobo+cpu combo, you can still get the cpu for $129, as well as free HL2/farcry/napster.

 

[Voltik]

but you need to have a FAN with the combo so it comes out to be around the same

 

[user1234]

Originally posted by: Voltik
but you need to have a FAN with the combo so it comes out to be around the same

No I don't think you need to order a heatsink/fan. I ordered a combo without any HSF. But of course you do need to use a HSF when you install your CPU. I already have a spare HSF. Anyway they have a simple HSF for $8. Also note that there is a shipping charge for the mobo+cpu combos, which is usually $5-$10. But of course it's still a great deal because you're getting far cry, HL2 and napster for free.

 

[NasdaqTrader889]

I'm really interested in what steppings everyone will be getting from Monarch. I have read so many people getting the CBBID so I"m just durious.

 

[DestruyaUR]

A guy evaluating the Venice 3800+ (the first of the new E-stepping Hammers) got 3Ghz on air (the FX-55 stock cooler, not an enthusiast-grade HSF) with only a modest voltage bump, so if you can, wait on buying a Winnie.

 

[user1234]

are you saying there will be new A64 3000+ with the new stepping which will overclock better ? or is it just the higher priced winchesters ?

 

[Celeryman]

I got one of these from Monarch last week. It was a 0503. It is running at 2500mhz right now. I am pretty sure it can go higher I just haven't had time to try. BTW, my XP90 made all the difference in the world.

 

[Granolith Surfer]

Originally posted by: DestruyaUR
A guy evaluating the Venice 3800+ (the first of the new E-stepping Hammers) got 3Ghz on air (the FX-55 stock cooler, not an enthusiast-grade HSF) with only a modest voltage bump, so if you can, wait on buying a Winnie.

I have been following the same thread on the Venice and unless it was hand picked (he won't give his source) the new Venice looks pretty good. Just realize he has a 3800+ which won't be cheap. The "etailers" will surely jackup the prices if they here about 3 Ghz on air..

 

[Granolith Surfer]

Originally posted by: user1234
Price gone up to $149, but if you order the mobo+cpu combo, you can still get the cpu for $129, as well as free HL2/farcry/napster.

Then the retail chip looks a bit more interesting...

 

[jwi114]

Originally posted by: user1234
The retail box gives you the warranty and stock-hsf, but if you already have a good hsf (or prefer to get one) and you're not worried about the warranty (because these things are not worth much after a year or two, so if it malfunctions you'll want to buy a new model anyway) then you could save money and get the OEM version for $129. For a good cooler for reasonable price, I recommend the thermaltake A1838 K8 Silent Boost ($25 at monarch), which is what anadtech used in their lab testing during the CPU reviews. I think it's not really worth it to sepnd more on a HSF (like the guy above [pwned]) since even the stock cooler is usually good enough for overclocking (i run my 3000+ at 2.4GHz below 35C with the stock cooler [guy above pwned again]). So compare and save - for example: the guy above buys a retail 3500+ for $315 and Zalman fan for $50, so for a total of $365 he get 2.4GHz performance (at 28-31C !!). You could buy OEM 3000+ ($129) and thermaltake K8 silent boost ($25) for a total of $154 and run it at 2.6GHz (at least), which is common in recent CPUs for less then half the cost. Do your own math and don't take advice from anybody.

As far as the my 3500 only at 2.4GHz that is all i choose to overclock it thats not saying thats all it will do.Im not a serious overclocker myself and at 2.4 it does all i ask it to and more.Im way sure it will do over that amount for someone that knows what there doing.

 

[thunderroller]

thankx for the post

 

[Heinrich]

my 3200 from monarch only does 2340 and that's at max voltage. I've spent WEEKS tinkering with it. It's 0502, I did not write down the Cxxxx part.

It won't even do 2385, which is 5mhz faster x9 on the FSB

 

[DaFOBulous1]

price goes up and down...geezz

 

[user1234]

you can STILL get the 3000+ for $129 as part of a mobo+cpu combo, and you also get farCry,HL2, napster downloads for free. I just got my combo and even though I did not order HSF they put one for FREE. Thr CPU cam already mounted on the mobo with the HSF, so I guess they also test it out. Cool ! Btw, I don't know if you're aware that in the Intel world $129 doesn't even buy you a P4 2.6 GHz CPU, which would completely trashed by this A64 (we're talking at least 30% better performance in gaming applications). Plus the Athlon64 has better overclocking potential (also nforce4 chipset is cheap and overclocks great) and doesn't require using expensive memory. Consumes less power and runs cooler too. And of course, it runs 64 bit apps and operating systems.

 

[DoughtCom]

If you guys want really nice overclocking capability, I would get the DFI Infinity Ultra-D mobo. Newegg has these for 139 and as far as the HS/FAN goes I would get the XP-90. It's a very impressive cooler and can be found pretty cheap as well (I think I've seen them for around 25-30 dollars).

I have this mobo with good ram and watercooling and I can do 2.62 just fine. My friend has the Plat 2 mobo (NF3 which is good for people that want AGP and overclocking) and the XP-90 and can maintain 2.5.

 

[intogamer]

Originally posted by: DoughtCom
If you guys want really nice overclocking capability, I would get the DFI Infinity Ultra-D mobo. Newegg has these for 139 and as far as the HS/FAN goes I would get the XP-90. It's a very impressive cooler and can be found pretty cheap as well (I think I've seen them for around 25-30 dollars).

I have this mobo with good ram and watercooling and I can do 2.62 just fine. My friend has the Plat 2 mobo (NF3 which is good for people that want AGP and overclocking) and the XP-90 and can maintain 2.5.

hmmkayy!!!!!

 

[tr1kstanc3]

$126 right now


great price =p

 

[drewski]

Originally posted by: user1234

Originally posted by: Voltik
but you need to have a FAN with the combo so it comes out to be around the same

No I don't think you need to order a heatsink/fan. I ordered a combo without any HSF. But of course you do need to use a HSF when you install your CPU. I already have a spare HSF. Anyway they have a simple HSF for $8. Also note that there is a shipping charge for the mobo+cpu combos, which is usually $5-$10. But of course it's still a great deal because you're getting far cry, HL2 and napster for free.

really? i thought that $8 fan was required for combos. now i've got one just sitting around!

 

[IceCreamMan2633]

just got one! thanks OP! wooooo.

 

[Idleuser]

good deal but their current crop of cpu are cbbid overall a very very poor overclocker.

 

[banditt414]

How do you know what crop they have? I have the Barton 3000+. How much of a difference will I see if I upgrade to an agp capable athlon64 3000 939 processor? Is it worth it?

 

[mrrman]

I saw on zipzoomfly that the retail version of this is $146 with a 3 year warranty already...I need 2 of these and may buy from them instead.

 

[Manyakis]

Originally posted by: Idleuser
good deal but their current crop of cpu are cbbid overall a very very poor overclocker.

I got cbbid week 0503

2.5ghz stable w/ zalman 7700cu
the only thing that's holding me back was my memory stable @ 218mhz

 

[user1234]

Originally posted by: Manyakis

Originally posted by: Idleuser
good deal but their current crop of cpu are cbbid overall a very very poor overclocker.

I got cbbid week 0503

2.5ghz stable w/ zalman 7700cu
the only thing that's holding me back was my memory stable @ 218mhz

??? lower your memory divider to 2/3 (DDR133) and then continue to overlcokc and find your max CPU clock. Don't you know the memory speed has very little effect ? In fact if you lower the memory and get better timings it may help performance a lot more than a few mhz of memory speed. If you really want to run the memory faster, then later you can reduce the CPU multiplier and increase the FSB and memory speed.

For example, suppose that now you're running 275(fsb) * 9 = 2475 mhz cpu, and your memory is at approx 220 mhz with 5/6 divider (DDR166). You could use the 2/3 divider and increase the FSB to 300, so your CPU would be running 300x9=2700 mhz, and your memory is at 300 * 2/3 = 200 mhz. And as a bonus you could lower the timings (for example my HyperX can do 2-3-2-6 at 200 mhz, but only 2.5-3-3-7 at 210 and above).
The CPU speed is a lot more important to overall performance. Actually, the rulle of thumb is that 1 mhz of CPU speed = 1 mhz of memory speed. So if you increase the memory speed from 200 mhz to 250 mhz it's worth about as much as increasing your CPU speed from 2000 mhz to 2050 mhz, which is not that much.