Athlon X2 4200+

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Duvie

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Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Prime95 is pansy.

Run tmpgenc for a real stress.

HTH



hey stupid arse!!! TMPGenc is hardly a stress test...I can run it at 2.68ghz on my X2 right now but it is hardly stable......
 
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I think the stock HSF for the X2 is better than one would imagine. It certainly had no problems keeping my x2 4400 <= 54c @ 2570MHz with 2-prime95 running > 8 hours last night.

It was switched out this afternoon with my xp-120 and Panaflo M1A. XP-120 is about 2c lower. Hmmm
 

Markfw

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Originally posted by: chinkgai
p95 isnt a benchmark

its THE program to run to test stability...dont listen to this newbie

Actually I think F@H is just as good or better AND you are doing something with your cpu cycles other than just stability.
 

mdubrow

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If I may revive this thread....

I'm hitting a wall overclocking my 4200+ X2 around the 2400 mhz range and I'm hoping some of you who successfully oc'd into the 2.5 - 2.6 range will divulge your secrets (system specs are linked in my sig: My Builds / Main Workstation). For CPU cooling, I have an XP-90 with a Panaflo medium speed fan. Heat doesn't appear to be an issue, as my max load temps are <50 degrees C. I've tried memory timings of 2-3-2-5 at 2T (initially) and 3-3-3-8 at 2T.

Going through the steps in Zebo's overclocking guide, I am stuck on step 2: setting the multiplier to maximum (11 for the 4200 X2): upping CPU volts to the 1.45 range (adding +0.05 volts in BIOS; Magic Health reports 1.45 V but CPU-Z shows a little higher), upping the DIMM voltage to 2.8, dropping memory speed to 100 mhz, and reducing the LDT Multiplier (aka HT Frequency in my BIOS) to 3x. With those settings, I can't get an FSB higher than 220 x 11 = 2420 mhz. I tried dropping the multiplier down to 10x, but the best I could do without upping the volts is 240 x 10 = 2400 mhz.

I tried loosening the memory timings to 3-3-3-8 and boosting the core voltage to +0.10 in BIOS (1.5 - 1.52 volts), but that only gets me to 250 x 10 = 2500 mhz, and Prime95 won't run for more than a few minutes before one core craps out on me (I've since returned to the 240 x 10 @ 1.45 volts, which is proving to be the most stable). I tried dropping the multiplier to 9x and raising the FSB further, but no matter what combination of FSB and multiplier I use I cannot consistently boot into Windows--let alone run two instances of Prime95--above 2500 mhz (230 x 11, 250 x 10, 280 x 9, adding up to +0.125 volts or core voltage reported in the 1.55V range, which is as high as I'm willing to go).

What has me stumped is that other folks are reporting success in the 2500 - 2600 mhz range while holding core voltages in the 1.45 range. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks!
 

doc2345

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Probably not doing anything wrong. It's just that particular chip, a luck of the draw thing.......
 

MDE

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: chinkgai
p95 isnt a benchmark

its THE program to run to test stability...dont listen to this newbie

Actually I think F@H is just as good or better AND you are doing something with your cpu cycles other than just stability.

F@H (or any other DC app) is probably the most torture you can put a system through, especially running 24\7 in the background while gaming.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
The x2's aren't very good OCer's.

And you are a terrible liar

X2's overclock quite well. I've seen several 4200+ do about the same as (or slightly better than) 4400+ from the same lots (keep in mind the Manchester cores OC slightly better than the Toledo ones).

I think high 2.4 low 2.5ish is a good guess.
 

mdubrow

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Well, turns out I was wrong about even the 2400 overclock in my above post. I ran Prime95 overingiht (one on each core), and even though CPU load temps maxed at 45 degrees C, Prime95 bombed after about 6 hours. Very disappointing because I thought I had a stable overclock.

BIOS Settings (with common definitions in parentheses)

  • (1) CPU Volts: +0.05 in BIOS; gives readings between 1.42 (load) and 1.475 (idle) using CPU-Z. Can't cut the CPU voltage any lower without BSOD'ing when Windows boots up. (For reference, before OC'ing, I was running at -0.025, which was showing as mid- to high 1.3's in CPU-Z.)
    (2) HT Frequency (LDT multiplier): 4x
    (3) CPU Frequency (HTT frequency): 240 mhz
    (4) CPU Clock Ratio (CPU multiplier): 10x
    (5) Memory Frequency: 166 mhz
    (6) DIMM Voltage: 2.6V

I confess that I'm disappointed Prime95 failed; I was hoping to get up to 4600 X2 speeds with my overclock, and RAM running at stock speeds. Before I left for work this morning, I tried dropping HT Frequency to 3x, but I won't know the results of the Prime95 test until I get home.

Any suggestions?
 

mdubrow

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Originally posted by: Bona Fide
Try updating your BIOS. See if you get any difference.

I'm using the 050804 BIOS, which is the latest. I was actually thinking an earlier BIOS might help, but 050804 is the first version to have the software hole remapping option in the DRAM settings, which I need to get the mobo to see all 4 MB of RAM that I have installed.

I might try upping the volts a little. I see on some other forums that folks are going as high as 1.55 with good air cooling.
 

Diogenes2

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Originally posted by: mdubrow
I might try upping the volts a little. I see on some other forums that folks are going as high as 1.55 with good air cooling.

I'm running 1.65v ( 4200 + @ 2.66 )

Temp still around 45 loaded .. Zalman 7700
 

mdubrow

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Originally posted by: Diogenes2
Originally posted by: mdubrow
I might try upping the volts a little. I see on some other forums that folks are going as high as 1.55 with good air cooling.

I'm running 1.65v ( 4200 + @ 2.66 )

Temp still around 45 loaded .. Zalman 7700

Wow, those are impressive temps for that kind of voltage! At ~1.5 - 1.52V, my CPU temps are maxing out at 48 degrees C (that's with 2 instances of Prime95 running) with my XP-90 / medium Panaflo combination--not that I'm complaining, because that's still cooler than what I was getting under load at stock speeds with the retail HSF set up, which to my surpise did not have the heatpipes. I haven't been brave enough to try anything higher than ~1.55V yet, and I can't get a temp reading because Prime95 fails almost immediately (well, I probably could get a temp reading if I didn't up the overclock at the same time, but where's the fun in that? ).

At any rate, the good news (for me) is that lowering HT Frequency (i.e. LDT multiplier) to 3x made my 2.4 Ghz overclock stable @ a CPU voltage of ~1.45V. I'm now testing a 2.5 Ghz overclock at 1.52V.
 

fstime

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You need phasechange to overclock a 4200+, stock cooling just won't be enough.
 

Dadofamunky

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Originally posted by: BouZouki
You need phasechange to overclock a 4200+, stock cooling just won't be enough.

I would disagree (although I don't own one as yet). High-end air should be just fine.
 
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