Athlon X2 6000+ High Temps?

[leesiulung]

I had some random shutdowns previously from too hot temperatures. So on suggestion from here I went out and bought Arctic Silver 5 and applied that by first cleaning it with acetone then applied a rice grain sized. The temperature dropped, but still shows 60-70 C in the BIOS.

That seems kind of high when idling and I'm running stock heatsink and fan.

Any suggestions?

What is the voltages and such supposed to be. Maybe it has the wrong settings, but usually I just leave it at whatever the BIOS recommends.

 

[dma0991]

If I am not mistaken it would run a little high in BIOS and not be in an idle state. You would have to enter the OS and then check your temps using HWMonitor or RealTemp. Only then would you be able to see what it's idle temperatures are like.

If it is still high check if you have mounted back the heatsink properly and have sufficient contact with the IHS.

 

[gevorg]

1. Make sure your heatsink is very tightly fit.
2. Make sure you have decent case ventilation. Is there a pathway for the air to get out?
3. Consider using AMD Cool'n'Quiet mode, although the system should still be stable without it.
4. Sure you haven't modifed BIOS settings? Consider resetting it if it won't be a pain and you're familiar with BIOS in general.
5. Most stock heatsinks suck. At the last resort, consider upgrading it. You already have AS5.

EDIT: Also, check if your fans are properly running (look at them).

 

[leesiulung]

I will install HWMonitor to read the temps (since RealTemp doesn't work on AMD):

1. the fan is definitely working
2. Cool'n Quiet is enabled
3. The heatsink is attached with a clip so it is definitely firm and thight.
4. There are also plenty of holes for the hot air to come out of case, both on the back and on the top. No internal fan to move air though other than CPU fan.
5. The powersupply is at the bottom in a separate compartment separate from the motherboard area.
6. I made sure to apply just a tiny amount of Arctic Silver per the instruction i.e. a grain of rice like size.

The case is an older version of Antec 180.

 

[dma0991]

So what is the current idle temp shown by HWMonitor?

 

[leesiulung]

It looks like my temp is around low 30's C. Maybe the thermal paste just needed some time to even itself out.... I will report back if it goes back up with usage.

edit: that is for the core and the systin/cputin and auxtin are in the 50+ C range. Not sure how these all connects....

 

[dma0991]

The break-in period or what you call even itself out for the AS5 is rated at 200hrs of normal usage. You might expect slightly lower temperatures compared to first time application. Temps below 50-60C is very acceptable for an AMD CPU even with a stock heatsink.

 

[leesiulung]

This thing used to auto shut itself off, but so far so good. Didn't know a little thermal paste would make that significance of a difference.

Thank you for helping me out (dma0991 and gevorg) and for continued follow up (dma0991)!

 

[mvbighead]

I believe you said you don't have a case fan (only have the CPU fan). I would definitely consider at least adding an exhaust fan. While it doesn't draw in cooler air, it does suck the warmer air out of the case, and keep something of a flow of air going through the system. By only having a CPU fan, your cooling will suffer as the CPU fan will recirculate the warmth generated by the processor.

I would also advise setting the power settings to max savings (or something of that effect). That will enable the processor throttling and allow the processor to clock down when the power isn't needed, thus it should run a bit cooler as well.

 

[mvbighead]

This thing used to auto shut itself off, but so far so good. Didn't know a little thermal paste would make that significance of a difference.

Thank you for helping me out (dma0991 and gevorg) and for continued follow up (dma0991)!

On this note, you will want to check your BIOS settings. Many have an option to change the protective shut down temperature. If you feel things are save or normal, but it shuts down from time to time, you could bump it up 5 or 10 degrees (if available) to giving yourself a higher ceiling to reduce the chance of a shutdown. I would leave the feature enabled in some capacity though, as if the CPU fan fails, it can shut it down before the processor sustains too much damage.

 

[leesiulung]

Well, I have bad news.

I ran the HW Monitor while watching a movie on my computer. Notice the CPU fan was really really loud, so I looked up the temperature and it was a whopping 77 C on one core, while the other core was 57 C degrees.

I stopped the movie, waited and the temperature went down to below 40 C and started the movie again and the temperature slowly crept up....

Any suggestions?

 

[dma0991]

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/263606-28-athlon-6000-high-temp

According to some who has the same CPU, your temps are pretty normal actually. Can't really expect much of your CPU as it is based on the 90nm manufacturing process which can get pretty hot compared to my lower clocked Intel C2D 65nm CPU. Highest temps that I have ever seen is on a gaming laptop that belongs to my friend with Intel C2E X9000 with 95-100C max gaming due to blocked laptop fins with dust and hair.

Don't worry to much about the heat as I have run CPUs both Intel and AMD at temperatures higher than 70C and they are still kicking. I even have an AMD Athlon64 3800+ that would run pretty much 100% doing everything because it is old tech and single core. Don't know how much the temps are but should be quite high as well. Temp monitoring software doesn't seem to register my CPU as well so I can't get any readings.

I guess having a temp monitoring software making you paranoid about overheating. Sometimes it is better to close one eye and pretend everything's fine.

 

[chihlidog]

I ran a 6000+ for years. Had an aftermarket cooler (Cooler Master) and that thing overheated on me if I so much as farted. They run HOT. AMD lists max core temp for that CPU at 63, iirc. Flight Simulator X used to toast that sucker.

I hate to say this, but that's just the nature of that CPU. It runs pretty well for what it is, but the thing just plain runs hot.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I ran a 6000+ for years. Had an aftermarket cooler (Cooler Master) and that thing overheated on me if I so much as farted. They run HOT. AMD lists max core temp for that CPU at 63, iirc. Flight Simulator X used to toast that sucker.

I hate to say this, but that's just the nature of that CPU. It runs pretty well for what it is, but the thing just plain runs hot.

This. Get a case fan if you don't have one, otherwise all the CPU fan is doing is recirculating the hot air.

 

[leesiulung]

There actually is a case fan, I just don't turn it on because of noise. I guess I will have to hook it up, otherwise the CPU fan will just spin up anyhow.

Is there a way to find out if the CPU is 65nm or 90nm?

http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUSideBySide.aspx?id=548&id=451&id=34

It still seems 77 C is way to hot, and why is one core so significantly hotter than the other?

 

[Joseph F]

^ You can determine the nm size by running CPU-Z.

 

[dma0991]

It is normal for one core to be hotter than the other if the program only needs a single core to run. The other semi idle core may be hotter than when it is idle due to the proximity of both of the cores sharing heat. Try dropping the voltage of the CPU a little bit till you achieve a stable point. See if that helps reducing the temps.

 

[leesiulung]

I used the computer again last night and while the computer was idle from boot it reached in the very high 60 C. The fan was spinning like crazy. However, while it was idle it had gone into power savings mode i.e. shut of the TV. When I accessed it, and checked the HW Monitor, the temperature went down.

It's always the same core that reaches high temps. It never did this before, maybe there is a bug in Vista that causes the CPU to do a lot of work increasing temperature....

 

[Joseph F]

Dude, if it's bothering you this badly just get one of these and at least one case fan and never worry about high temperatures again. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835103064
I have one and it works very well for my Phenom x4 9600.

 

[mvbighead]

Download CPUz: http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

With the system idle, sit and monitor the actual core speed. If it maintains 3000mhz the entire time, you should reboot, enter the BIOS, and enable Cool N Quiet. Then, run CPUz again, and monitor the core speed. If it maintains 3000MHz again, you should check the power settings of your system. Make sure you are using a balanced power setting, and take a look at the 'Processor Power Management' section. Make sure the minimum processor state is 5%, and the max is 100%.

What the above SHOULD do is throttle the CPU down when it is less active. So long as it works right, it should cause your CPU to run a bit cooler. Granted, when gaming for extended periods, it'll warm up, but for general computer use, the throttling should allow it to run a bit cooler.

 

[tweakboy]

Ya never use cool and quiete or speedstep or C1E ,,, and begin OCing

either the FSB or the mulitplayer ,,sighs also clean the HSF . gl and gg

 

[leesiulung]

I think the only thing left to do is try and adjust the voltage. Cool'n Quiet is enabled in BIOS. Not sure if it works, so I will give mvbighead suggestion a try and report back.

What are the actual voltage supposed to be for this CPU?

 

[tweakboy]

Get CPU-Z and it will give you all information about CPU. thx

 

[leesiulung]

Darn it, while in leaving my computer on "Choose Boot Device" the fans started turning fast. I went into BIOS and looked at the temperature. CPU was scorching hot at 75C and while I was looking the computer shut itself off!

I used to run this all day long fine....

 

[mvbighead]

Typically, in that state, the computer will run full throttle.

It really, really sounds like you should at least consider upgrading your fan to something like:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-065-_-Product

Then, in the future if you upgrade to pretty much anything else, it'll work with that too so long as you keep all of the hardware that comes with it.

Secondly, have you checked the CnQ settings in the BIOS and the power settings in Windows? Once confirmed with CPUz, you should at least be able to get it to idle at a lower speed to reduce the heat when not at full load.

Also, take a look inside your case and make sure all fans are clean with no dust blocking the fins on the CPU fan. If they are blocked, turn off the system and take a vacuum hose or a can of compressed air to suck out the dust.

It clearly sounds like you have some heat issues, and you would be very well served buying a new fan pronto. Check everything else, and report back.