Athlon4 Takes On Pentium4 !!!

John

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InQuest has posted a great article about the Athlon 4 vs the Pentium 4.

Another separate feature is an expansion of AMD?s 3DNow! to a new level, dubbed 3DNow! Professional. This new Pro version includes 52 additional instructions that are 100% backward compatible with Intel?s SSE instruction set. This singular feature will do much to sabotage Intel?s effort to create Intel specific, or Intel optimized benchmarks. Though there are not many applications where the P3 or P4 can show a distinct performance advantage over Athlon, where these do exist it is very often attributable to the existence of SSE optimizations and the absence of 3DNow optimizations. Photoshop is one glaring example, but there are numerous others. We expect that AMD has done a world-class implementation of SSE and will demonstrate an exhilarating benchmark score increase, further distancing Athlon from Intel?s CPUs.

Here's a quote about the Intel Pentium 4:


The P4?s actual maximum thermal dissipation is much higher than was commonly understood. While AMD?s TDP spec represents its true maximum power dissipated under worst-case conditions, the worst case power dissipation for the P4 was actually 33% higher than Intel?s published TDP. When comparing apples to apples, the P4 does not have a power dissipation advantage over Athlon, as Intel suggested. In fact, the reverse may be true. Regarding P4 thermals, we will discuss why users may be tempted to apply radical thermal solutions to the P4, but that still may not solve all of its thermally related performance problems. In particular we disclosed the P4?s thermal throttling mechanism that will reduce CPU performance by 50% when triggered by specific heat related conditions.

Read more here.
 

MasterHoss

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Interesting but it's seems glaring to the fact that the editor favors AMD over Intel--sort of a more biased article than 100% factual, but who cares, right? AMD and Intel are both great companies. Even if AMD &quot;sabotage's Intel's effort to create Intel specific benchmarks&quot; <--which don't really necessarily mean crap about actual performance, Intel will be making royalty $$$ from AMD each time AMD sells a SSE enabled processor. Likewise, AMD will make extra $$ off of Intel each time Intel sells a chip with (_______________ <--fill in your fair share of cross-linked licensing stuff here).

All in all. I think everyone should wait until the next generation P4 and AMD processors are in the hands of all of us, right?
 

Rectalfier

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Here's a post from JJ8

Linked from The Inquirer.


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The Athlon H-Series includes SSE+, which may or may not be called 3DNow! Pro, and extensions to the instruction set include Intel Screaming Sindie 1 and 2 single and double precision floating point instructions. AMD will continue to support 3DNow, even in Hammer, when it arrives.

Developers will be able to choose between AMD and Intel 3D instruction in either Screaming Sindies or 3DNow, but the H Series of Athlons can run with fully optimised code.

Preliminary benchmarketing seen by The Inquirer show an 80 per cent boost in Photoshop 5.5 and 6.0 lighting effects, and the 3D StudioMax Heidi Renderer is something like 34 per cent up.

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Very Very interesting!



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Message edited by: JJ8 on 05/10/2001 13:25
 

BuddyHolly

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Where are all the benchmarks? Someone has to have a Palomino and is not afraid to incur the wrath of amd..
 

JJ8

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Rectalfier you beat me to it! In addition this
thread details that the P4 in reality does not 'smoke' the Athlon by any means in Photoshop, contrary to popular belief.
 

TravisBickle

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&quot;This new Pro version includes 52 additional instructions that are 100% backward compatible with Intel?s SSE instruction set&quot;
ambiguous sentence. if the Athlon 4 uses a licensed SSE, then it is a licensed SSE, not a &quot;backward compatible&quot; instruction set.
perhaps the writer means the compatibility has been reverse-engineered instead.
 

MikeyP

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I may be wrong, but I don't believe AMD has to give Intel royalties to use SSE. It was back in their settlement that where AMD was no longer allowed to use the Intel CPU interface, in that case Slot 1. AMD was given future rights to some of Intel's technology in exchange. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 

JJ8

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Here is The Register's coverage of the AMD/Intel 10 year cross liscensing agreement Link. I must say, its exactly what you would expect from Intel!
 
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