ATi 4870/4850 Review Thread

[BFG10K]

Chizow, it is now clear to me that arguing with you is a total and utter waste of time.

So in the interest of not derailing the thread I am going to cease our little "discussion".

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If you don't care about physics and the many benefits of CUDA, and many do not, the 4870 is a very nice card indeed. Enjoy it. I'll be enjoying my 2 4850's soon enough. Just working on getting an Xfire board and some more DDR2 to go with it. I already have a CPU for it. You see dude, I'm not telling anyone not to buy what they want, as you seem to be making yourself believe. I am telling you that there could be good reasons why a GTX260, at 100 bucks more than a 4870, could be worth the bucks to someone who cares about what it offers. As far as performance goes, 4870 and GTX260 are pretty close.
I am buying a pair of 4850's because I am interested in them for what they are. Very nice cards for their price.
I don't know what else to tell ya.

Keys,
as a member of the focus group you are asked not to market NV products.
Yet you and Rollo came to 4800 thread and started to push 260.
Please, stop doing that.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If you don't care about physics and the many benefits of CUDA, and many do not, the 4870 is a very nice card indeed. Enjoy it. I'll be enjoying my 2 4850's soon enough. Just working on getting an Xfire board and some more DDR2 to go with it. I already have a CPU for it. You see dude, I'm not telling anyone not to buy what they want, as you seem to be making yourself believe. I am telling you that there could be good reasons why a GTX260, at 100 bucks more than a 4870, could be worth the bucks to someone who cares about what it offers. As far as performance goes, 4870 and GTX260 are pretty close.
I am buying a pair of 4850's because I am interested in them for what they are. Very nice cards for their price.
I don't know what else to tell ya.

Keys,
as a member of the focus group you are asked not to market NV products.
Yet you and Rollo came to 4800 thread and started to push 260.
Please, stop doing that.

I'm glad we are clear on that.

But I didn't bring up the 260. You guys did.

In the second post of this thread, there is:

"The 4870 looks to be an amazing buy as it can easily outperform the 260 at a price point $100 less, looks like AMD has won this round." - by Videogames101.

So who should stop doing what now?

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If you don't care about physics and the many benefits of CUDA, and many do not, the 4870 is a very nice card indeed. Enjoy it. I'll be enjoying my 2 4850's soon enough. Just working on getting an Xfire board and some more DDR2 to go with it. I already have a CPU for it. You see dude, I'm not telling anyone not to buy what they want, as you seem to be making yourself believe. I am telling you that there could be good reasons why a GTX260, at 100 bucks more than a 4870, could be worth the bucks to someone who cares about what it offers. As far as performance goes, 4870 and GTX260 are pretty close.
I am buying a pair of 4850's because I am interested in them for what they are. Very nice cards for their price.
I don't know what else to tell ya.

Keys,
as a member of the focus group you are asked not to market NV products.
Yet you and Rollo came to 4800 thread and started to push 260.
Please, stop doing that.

I'm glad we are clear on that.

But I didn't bring up the 260. You guys did.

In the second post of this thread, there is:

"The 4870 looks to be an amazing buy as it can easily outperform the 260 at a price point $100 less, looks like AMD has won this round." - by Videogames101.

So who should stop doing what now?

Is he member of any focus group? If not he can say anything.
According to Rollo and you, members of the NV focus group are not supposed to market NV products.
Get out of the group and then you can say anything as well.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
If you don't care about physics and the many benefits of CUDA, and many do not, the 4870 is a very nice card indeed. Enjoy it. I'll be enjoying my 2 4850's soon enough. Just working on getting an Xfire board and some more DDR2 to go with it. I already have a CPU for it. You see dude, I'm not telling anyone not to buy what they want, as you seem to be making yourself believe. I am telling you that there could be good reasons why a GTX260, at 100 bucks more than a 4870, could be worth the bucks to someone who cares about what it offers. As far as performance goes, 4870 and GTX260 are pretty close.
I am buying a pair of 4850's because I am interested in them for what they are. Very nice cards for their price.
I don't know what else to tell ya.

Keys,
as a member of the focus group you are asked not to market NV products.
Yet you and Rollo came to 4800 thread and started to push 260.
Please, stop doing that.

I'm glad we are clear on that.

But I didn't bring up the 260. You guys did.

In the second post of this thread, there is:

"The 4870 looks to be an amazing buy as it can easily outperform the 260 at a price point $100 less, looks like AMD has won this round." - by Videogames101.

So who should stop doing what now?

Is he member of any focus group? If not he can say anything.
According to Rollo and you, members of the NV focus group are not supposed to market NV products.
Get out of the group and then you can say anything as well.

Time for a reality check for you I guess. Have fun with that.

 

[ronnn]

Now that this thread is about focus group members and the 260 - maybe a mod should spin this into its own thread and give a vacation for personal comments such as people needing a reality check. :laugh:


Dave Bauman certainly has been actively promoting on b3d. Hints of the 4780x2 being vastly improved scaling over the 3870x2, dx10.1 coming soon and general large driver improvements. Will believe those when they actually happen - as buying for the future tends to be a bad investment. :beer:

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

So who should stop doing what now?

If we can't compare the gtx260 to the 4870, what can we compare it to? The 9800gx2? Oh wait, it loses to that also, oops.

I see you've mentioned there are 16 physX titles coming out next year. But have you mentioned that doing physics on the GPU takes away time from it to do more important things like say, render graphics?

And I guess you haven't heard that ATI has a GPGPU language equivalent to CUDA

 

[Folly]

Pretty disappointing what this thread is turning into.

@ keysplayr2003: With your last few posts you've been losing the higher ground here, as a moderator don't let people flame bait you like this.

@ Janooo: keysplayr2003 speaks truth, 260 does offer some different features to the 4800's. Its up to consumers to decide whether these features entail the extra $100 (US) price tag.

Pitty this will be completely ignored as a first post.

 

[Kuzi]

All I'm reading in this thread now is , CUDA, PhysX, CUDA, PhysX, CUDA....

Can the NV fanboys take their CUDA crap talk to the GT200 discussion thread. Right now I don't see software flooding the market with CUDA support that improves software performance, when that happens, then maybe we can talk. Same thing with Physx.

It's not like AMD/ATI are sitting idle watching, they are working on their own stream programing language that will support all GPUs from RV6xx generation and above.

All I know right now is that the HD4870 costs only 47% of the price of the GTX280, and performs only 15% slower in games. And comparing the 4870 to GTX260, it's only 75% of the cost of the GTX260, while performing about 5% faster.

That in my view, and the view of many others is a clear win for ATI. You can scream CUDA all you want, no one is listening.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Folly
Pretty disappointing what this thread is turning into.

@ keysplayr2003: With your last few posts you've been losing the higher ground here, as a moderator don't let people flame bait you like this.

@ Janooo: keysplayr2003 speaks truth, 260 does offer some different features to the 4800's. Its up to consumers to decide whether these features entail the extra $100 (US) price tag.

Pitty this will be completely ignored as a first post.

I appreciate that Folly. And welcome to AT.
Unfortunately, the truth isn't received to kindly in the ATI threads. Here, it's called marketing.
I'll leave it at that.

Nite all. Goin to bed.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Unfortunately, the truth isn't received to kindly in the ATI threads. Here, it's called marketing.

:laugh:

Unfortunately, the truth is that PhysX and CUDA don't make a GTX260 worth $100 over the 4870.

 

[Hunt3rj2]

Although CUDA may be the next sliced bread, it isn't now, so it isn't terribly of great importance. Everyone said that P4 was going to hit 10 GHz, but where is the Pentium 4 anyway? Also, PhysX. Ageia couldn't market steel-toed boots to workers in an anvil factor for the life of them, and unless Nvidia does something like what Voodoo did with the Glide API I doubt it'll ever take off. That said, the GTX 260 is quite good, and does fine, but there are better options for those who want that.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Unfortunately, the truth isn't received to kindly in the ATI threads. Here, it's called marketing.

:laugh:

Unfortunately, the truth is that PhysX and CUDA don't make a GTX260 worth $100 over the 4870.

According these people CUDA is so awesome that has no problem .

CUDA
Close to Metal
BrookGPU
OpenCL

Now all we need is Microsoft new GPGPU libary...

This war will go no where until industry chooses which library becomes industry standard.

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

So who should stop doing what now?

I see you've mentioned there are 16 physX titles coming out next year. But have you mentioned that doing physics on the GPU takes away time from it to do more important things like say, render graphics?

And I guess you haven't heard that ATI has a GPGPU language equivalent to CUDA

Nah , these people have sorted been brain washed on to thinking CUDA is the ultimate libary.

Originally posted by: Kuzi
All I'm reading in this thread now is , CUDA, PhysX, CUDA, PhysX, CUDA....

Yup it has : ) ... 4850/4870 review thread i thought.

4870 + ZALMAN VF1000 + OC@825/1200= monster that can beat a GTX280.

 

[ViRGE]

This thread has gone ridiculously off topic. I'm locking this thread, you guys can start a new one if you'd like.