What kind of HD video are you trying to play?Originally posted by: srp49ers
I upgraded from my ati 3780 to the 4850 yesterday. And when I go play Hd videos the cpu utilization is very high like 70-80% and the video is not as smooth as with my 3870.
the cpu usage with the 3870 was around 40%.
Anyone else having this problem. could it just be drivers. Im using the hotfix version.
Originally posted by: srp49ers
I upgraded from my ati 3780 to the 4850 yesterday. And when I go play Hd videos the cpu utilization is very high like 70-80% and the video is not as smooth as with my 3870.
the cpu usage with the 3870 was around 40%.
Anyone else having this problem. could it just be drivers. Im using the hotfix version.
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
<---ignoring chizow. hmmm, I might make that into my sig. Seriously, how many of us other than bfg are even trying to reason with chizow any more? A lot of people wanted 3870 to beat 8800gt but they went away as more and more benchies proved the g92 superiority. Guess what? A lot of people wanted gt200 to beat r(v)7xx, but the value is so much greater with ati this time around that only the blind fanboys are even debating the issue at this point. Nvidia will be back, they'll probably stomp the crap out of ati next round or at least be much more competitive, but for now ati is the card to own. period.
Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
<---ignoring chizow. hmmm, I might make that into my sig. Seriously, how many of us other than bfg are even trying to reason with chizow any more? A lot of people wanted 3870 to beat 8800gt but they went away as more and more benchies proved the g92 superiority. Guess what? A lot of people wanted gt200 to beat r(v)7xx, but the value is so much greater with ati this time around that only the blind fanboys are even debating the issue at this point. Nvidia will be back, they'll probably stomp the crap out of ati next round or at least be much more competitive, but for now ati is the card to own. period.
Disagree.
While for gaming the 4870 is a great deal at $100 less MSRP than the GTX260, it lacks:
1. 384MB of RAM the GTX260 has.
2. PhysX that will be integrated into 16 games this year, double that next.
3. MultiGPU flexibility. When ATs review says they're adding support for popular games released last Fall after launch, you have to wonder about support for games that aren't reviewed.
If AMD is truly going to go the multi-GPU route for its high end parts, it needs to enable more consistent support for CF across the board - regardless of whether or not we feature those games in our reviews.
They have since started talking about how the era of the large, "monolithic" GPU is over. I think that's hogwash...... Big chips don't suffer from the quirks of multi-GPU implementations, which never seem to have profiles for newly released games just as you'd want to be playing them......
4. CUDA
The 4870s don't really even compete with GTX280s for the most part.
That said, the 48XX series are a big step forward for AMD and a good value. (just not a "ZOMG! these are teh only cards that exist!" type value you're asserting)
Originally posted by: deerhunter716
Spot on Exte - 99% of forum users and gamers will NOT see the benefit of those supposedly great addons of the 260 when we game. Bottomline ATI has won this round when it comes to the value you get for the $$ spent. They got NV good and I bet there have been many a late night meetings at NVidia.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: deerhunter716
Spot on Exte - 99% of forum users and gamers will NOT see the benefit of those supposedly great addons of the 260 when we game. Bottomline ATI has won this round when it comes to the value you get for the $$ spent. They got NV good and I bet there have been many a late night meetings at NVidia.
That's great and all, but ask Extelleron why he now owns a GTX280?
Perhaps he wanted the best single GPU card he could buy?
Most of his comments do not line up with his purchase decision.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: deerhunter716
Spot on Exte - 99% of forum users and gamers will NOT see the benefit of those supposedly great addons of the 260 when we game. Bottomline ATI has won this round when it comes to the value you get for the $$ spent. They got NV good and I bet there have been many a late night meetings at NVidia.
That's great and all, but ask Extelleron why he now owns a GTX280?
Perhaps he wanted the best single GPU card he could buy?
Most of his comments do not line up with his purchase decision.
I wasn't aware we are "arguing" at all, I'm simply noting differences that could prove advantageous for the GTX260 in some situations.Originally posted by: Extelleron
So now we're arguing over specifications? Why do I care that the GTX 260 has 896MB of memory if it does not help it perform well? nVidia needs more VRAM as their cards tend to use it very ineffectively. The HD 4870 performs very well even at 2560x1600 with its 512MB of memory. And 1GB versions will be available for cheaper than the GTX 260 as well.
According to Richard Huddy, who joined AMD when it acquired graphics chip company ATI Technologies last year, Havok FX is unlikely to be released at all or power many video games.Originally posted by: Extelleron
Havok is integrated into a bunch of games as well. PhysX is a decent selling point, but it's not going to work in every situation. You couldn't put PhysX in Crysis and run it on the GPU... the game needs all the GPU resources it can get for graphics. PhysX on the GPU only works when the game is not challenging to the GPU.
Using a SLi motherboard is a piece of the multi GPU choice, not a "limiting factor". As someone who's used NF4 > 790i motherboards without issue, I don't see how this has "limited" me? OTOH, I've always had the most powerful graphics available by using SLi.Originally posted by: Extelleron
Multi-GPU flexibility as a selling point for nVidia graphics cards? It's the other way around. There is no flexibility with nVidia cards, because 99% of people cannot use SLI. Most people have Intel boards and they support Crossfire. Multi-GPU is a selling point for AMD, not nVidia.
A. See bolded quoteOriginally posted by: Extelleron
AMD GPUs can run CUDA applications as well (they can't nowbut that is just because ATI doesn't want their own GPGPU initiative to die). And what do I gain by running CUDA? For the average person on this forums, the answer is nothing.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
The bottom line is the GTX 260 is not a good purchase by any stretch of the imagination right now, unless you are stepping up and can get it cheap. The HD 4870 is faster, uses less power, and is $100 cheaper. nVidia needs to drop the GTX 260 to $299, then it will be worth considering and things like PhysX may give it an advantage over the 4870 at the same price point. The GTX 280 needs to drop to the $450-500 price point as well because the 4870 is so close in performance, and beats the 280 when AA/AF are applied in certain situations.
Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
<---ignoring chizow. hmmm, I might make that into my sig. Seriously, how many of us other than bfg are even trying to reason with chizow any more? A lot of people wanted 3870 to beat 8800gt but they went away as more and more benchies proved the g92 superiority. Guess what? A lot of people wanted gt200 to beat r(v)7xx, but the value is so much greater with ati this time around that only the blind fanboys are even debating the issue at this point. Nvidia will be back, they'll probably stomp the crap out of ati next round or at least be much more competitive, but for now ati is the card to own. period.
Disagree.
While for gaming the 4870 is a great deal at $100 less MSRP than the GTX260, it lacks:
1. 384MB of RAM the GTX260 has.
2. PhysX that will be integrated into 16 games this year, double that next.
3. MultiGPU flexibility. When ATs review says they're adding support for popular games released last Fall after launch, you have to wonder about support for games that aren't reviewed.
If AMD is truly going to go the multi-GPU route for its high end parts, it needs to enable more consistent support for CF across the board - regardless of whether or not we feature those games in our reviews.
They have since started talking about how the era of the large, "monolithic" GPU is over. I think that's hogwash...... Big chips don't suffer from the quirks of multi-GPU implementations, which never seem to have profiles for newly released games just as you'd want to be playing them......
4. CUDA
The 4870s don't really even compete with GTX280s for the most part.
That said, the 48XX series are a big step forward for AMD and a good value. (just not a "ZOMG! these are teh only cards that exist!" type value you're asserting)
Using a SLi motherboard is a piece of the multi GPU choice, not a "limiting factor". As someone who's used NF4 > 790i motherboards without issue, I don't see how this has "limited" me? OTOH, I've always had the most powerful graphics available by using SLi.
I've given some reasons the GTX260 might be worth $100 more to some people.
As far as what the GTX280 costs, look to any other PC component (e.g. RAM, CPU, motherboard) and tell me the "best of the best" doesn't cost $350 more. (at least)
So is your position all top of the line hardware needs to be reduced in price because you say so, or just that NVIDIA shouldn't price their products like other firms in the tech industry?
Can you support that "point"?
Anyway, good discussion, and as noted, I think the 48XX cards are bringing the A game to the mid range for AMD. If they had chosen to incorporate a high end design into their line up, there would be true competition in the market again.
Originally posted by: nRollo
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I've given some reasons the GTX260 might be worth $100 more to some people.
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Originally posted by: Janooo
Originally posted by: nRollo
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I've given some reasons the GTX260 might be worth $100 more to some people.
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I understand why you are making a fool out of yourself.
I didn't at the time of X1900XTX and 7800GTX 512MB.
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: nRollo
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
<---ignoring chizow. hmmm, I might make that into my sig. Seriously, how many of us other than bfg are even trying to reason with chizow any more? A lot of people wanted 3870 to beat 8800gt but they went away as more and more benchies proved the g92 superiority. Guess what? A lot of people wanted gt200 to beat r(v)7xx, but the value is so much greater with ati this time around that only the blind fanboys are even debating the issue at this point. Nvidia will be back, they'll probably stomp the crap out of ati next round or at least be much more competitive, but for now ati is the card to own. period.
Disagree.
While for gaming the 4870 is a great deal at $100 less MSRP than the GTX260, it lacks:
1. 384MB of RAM the GTX260 has.
2. PhysX that will be integrated into 16 games this year, double that next.
3. MultiGPU flexibility. When ATs review says they're adding support for popular games released last Fall after launch, you have to wonder about support for games that aren't reviewed.
If AMD is truly going to go the multi-GPU route for its high end parts, it needs to enable more consistent support for CF across the board - regardless of whether or not we feature those games in our reviews.
They have since started talking about how the era of the large, "monolithic" GPU is over. I think that's hogwash...... Big chips don't suffer from the quirks of multi-GPU implementations, which never seem to have profiles for newly released games just as you'd want to be playing them......
4. CUDA
The 4870s don't really even compete with GTX280s for the most part.
That said, the 48XX series are a big step forward for AMD and a good value. (just not a "ZOMG! these are teh only cards that exist!" type value you're asserting)
chizow, I'm still ignoring you, but are you reading this? rollo doesn't make arguments that he can't win and/or don't make any sense. He instead focuses on areas where nvidia is strong and reminds people of them. His info is factually correct and will be important to some people.
good try rollo. don't worry, the green team will be back.
edit:
2 points of contention rollo:
1. f@h performance is borged right now to give an unfair advantage to nvidia users. as they get more proteins to work on that situation will correct itself. Also, they have a new gpu2 client update coming out soon that will support 48x0. Do you think that 8800gt is going to clobber 4850 in that?
2. that dvd converter is still under development. It will probably introduce a very large gain over intel cpus in dvd conversion, but there's no guarantee that amd can't/won't come out with a similar program. AMD just doesn't have to talk about non-gpu apps b/c they've got a much better gaming gpu right now.
otherwise as I said, keep up the discussions. maybe you could take chizow under your wing and teach him the difference between "blind fanboyism" and "reasonable discussion about features/benfits".
Originally posted by: dreddfunk
Keys - you can't 'downplay' CUDA or PhysX, but they certainly aren't of critical interest to the vast majority of 3D gamers at this time, and 3D gamers are the primary market for these cards.
I understand that you and Rollo both have an interest in pointing out the positive aspects of NVIDIA hardware, and that's valid, but to those of us with no dogs in the fight it seems like you're telescoping in on trees rather than looking at the forest.
[edited for clarity]
Originally posted by: omber
I recall news few days ago that the nVidia PhysX middileware was hacked to work on ATI cards with equal or better results (I think this was on Slashdot). If this is so that advantage could be lost quickly..
My question: does anyone have an idea of what kind of power supply should we look at for a dual 4870 HD setup?
Originally posted by: JPB
Originally posted by: omber
I recall news few days ago that the nVidia PhysX middileware was hacked to work on ATI cards with equal or better results (I think this was on Slashdot). If this is so that advantage could be lost quickly..
My question: does anyone have an idea of what kind of power supply should we look at for a dual 4870 HD setup?
Here you go. Direct from AMD