ATI 4xxx Series Thread

[Grinja]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: superstition

World in Conflict, Company of Heroes, Age of Conan, STALKER: Clear Sky, Starcraft 2?

Are all of those some sort of strategic war games? I'm not too interested in that either. I found Age of Empires 1 and 2 passable years ago, but don't have much of an appetite for excessive virtual violence.

If you havn't tried StarCraft 2, you are missing out!

Hmmm ... is Starcraft 2 in beta yet?

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Let's face it, 4870 is going to be designed to go after 9900gts at best. 4870x2 is the one that 9800gtx will need to contend with.

How do you know that? Did you have proof of this? There's nothing official yet, just speculations, I just hope ATi gets more competitive this time, so nVidia can stop rehashing their GeForce 8 architecture again and again.

 

[bryanW1995]

do a VERY bried internet search. amd has publicly stated MANY times that they are planning multi-gpu for the high end. Sorry, but amd's mid-range 4870 isn't going to be competitive with nvidia's high end gt200. Now, going back to rumor central, I would not be surprised if amd's 4870x2 is faster than gt200 in games that are crossfire-friendly.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Let's face it, 4870 is going to be designed to go after 9900gts at best. 4870x2 is the one that 9800gtx will need to contend with.

How do you know that? Did you have proof of this? There's nothing official yet, just speculations, I just hope ATi gets more competitive this time, so nVidia can stop rehashing their GeForce 8 architecture again and again.

The specs that have speculated around the web points that it won't be competitive against GT200.

People like to use phrases like rehashing old architecture but fail to realize that all of these newer cards are rehashes of the old.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Grinja

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: superstition

World in Conflict, Company of Heroes, Age of Conan, STALKER: Clear Sky, Starcraft 2?

Are all of those some sort of strategic war games? I'm not too interested in that either. I found Age of Empires 1 and 2 passable years ago, but don't have much of an appetite for excessive virtual violence.

If you havn't tried StarCraft 2, you are missing out!

Hmmm ... is Starcraft 2 in beta yet?

my bad.. StarCraft 1 Broodwar...

Still waitiing for StarCraft 2 ... (took them 10 yrs....)

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Let's face it, 4870 is going to be designed to go after 9900gts at best. 4870x2 is the one that 9800gtx will need to contend with.

How do you know that? Did you have proof of this? There's nothing official yet, just speculations, I just hope ATi gets more competitive this time, so nVidia can stop rehashing their GeForce 8 architecture again and again.

The specs that have speculated around the web points that it won't be competitive against GT200.

People like to use phrases like rehashing old architecture but fail to realize that all of these newer cards are rehashes of the old.

What is GT200? You have no idea what the specifications will be, so how can you compare it to the performance of a speculated HD 4870 X2? The 4870 X2 should be considerably faster than the dual-chip 9800 GX2, what makes you think that single-chip GT200 is going to be so much faster than dual-chip 9800 GX2?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Let's face it, 4870 is going to be designed to go after 9900gts at best. 4870x2 is the one that 9800gtx will need to contend with.

How do you know that? Did you have proof of this? There's nothing official yet, just speculations, I just hope ATi gets more competitive this time, so nVidia can stop rehashing their GeForce 8 architecture again and again.

The specs that have speculated around the web points that it won't be competitive against GT200.

People like to use phrases like rehashing old architecture but fail to realize that all of these newer cards are rehashes of the old.

What is GT200? You have no idea what the specifications will be, so how can you compare it to the performance of a speculated HD 4870 X2? The 4870 X2 should be considerably faster than the dual-chip 9800 GX2, what makes you think that single-chip GT200 is going to be so much faster than dual-chip 9800 GX2?

I can speculate on my own. We know it's based on a 448bit and 512bit memory controller. By going by what G80-G92 corporate with ROP and memory controllers. GT200 is a 32 ROP and 28 ROP card. Will be incorporating 160SP ~ 192SP and does 4 texure or 8 texture per SP depending how Nvidia wants to incorporate it.

Where did the x2 come in? I was talking about 4870 single chip and Bryan was talking about how a x2 is going to be competitive with GT200 and 4870 is going to be facing off 9900gts.

HD4870 is a 16 ROP 32TMU card with 256 bit memory controller with ddr5. There is no way a 4870 will beat a 32 ROP card. Mathematically not possible unless AMD used some futuristic technology acquired with a time machine.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Azn
unless AMD used some futuristic technology acquired with a time machine.

So thats what Hector's crack team of engineers has been working on . . .

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes, I lent them one of my Flux Capacitors. I have to call them, I really need it back.

 

[thilanliyan]

I can't remember where I was reading it...maybe Fudzilla (so take this with a grain of salt)...but apparently ATI have figured out how to use a single memory pool for both GPUs and the OS will no longer see Crossfire (downside is that driver tweaking may not be as effective anymore?). If this is true then 4870x2 may as well be 4970 and so who cares if it's dual GPU...as long as it acts like a single card (and performs like a dual) it's all good.

 

[AzN]

I'll believe it when I see it. dual gpu solution is far worse than a single one currently.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: thilan29
I can't remember where I was reading it...maybe Fudzilla (so take this with a grain of salt)...but apparently ATI have figured out how to use a single memory pool for both GPUs and the OS will no longer see Crossfire (downside is that driver tweaking may not be as effective anymore?). If this is true then 4870x2 may as well be 4970 and so who cares if it's dual GPU...as long as it acts like a single card (and performs like a dual) it's all good.

Fudzillas red herald:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/...2/summer-bring-gpu-war

You saw a little of that with the 3870X2, but the bridge was a simple PCIe switch. The real magic this time is a bridge that shares memory, GDDR5 in this case. Yup, you will have 2 GPUs with one set of memory.

 

[Jax Omen]

I will believe it when I see it, but I *so* want that link to be true.

I would buy a 4870x2 so fast... I don't care if I don't have the money. Hell, I'd buy two and an x48 so I could crossfire them.

 

[Aberforth]

most of the games are nv optimized so we cannot scale the performance based on 3D mark.

 

[bryanW1995]

drat! I was planning to buy the professional edition of 3d mark vantage so that I could figure out which gpu to buy...now it's back to the drawing board...

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
drat! I was planning to buy the professional edition of 3d mark vantage so that I could figure out which gpu to buy...now it's back to the drawing board...

Vantage is written by incompetent programmers, don't believe their numbers. DX10 code is not to be taken lightly, only those who can truly understand the documentation can write optimized dx10 apps otherwise it will run worse than dx9. Why do you think nv took so long to to bring stable drivers? it's because of new driver model by MS and DX10, both are extremely advanced. So some loser makes a dx10 app to scale the performance...I just don't believe it that's all.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Jax Omen
I will believe it when I see it, but I *so* want that link to be true.

I would buy a 4870x2 so fast... I don't care if I don't have the money. Hell, I'd buy two and an x48 so I could crossfire them.

What if that link was true? Doesn't mean it will perform same as a single card and scale accordingly.

 

[CrystalBay]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
drat! I was planning to buy the professional edition of 3d mark vantage so that I could figure out which gpu to buy...now it's back to the drawing board...

Vantage is written by incompetent programmers, don't believe their numbers. DX10 code is not to be taken lightly, only those who can truly understand the documentation can write optimized dx10 apps otherwise it will run worse than dx9. Why do you think nv took so long to to bring stable drivers? it's because of new driver model by MS and DX10, both are extremely advanced. So some loser makes a dx10 app to scale the performance...I just don't believe it that's all.

I Really don't understand why you say this.......................


MicroSoft has been using futuremarks tecnology for quite a while . In fact anyone that uses Windows Vista uses Futuremarks technolgy to rate the system specs...

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
drat! I was planning to buy the professional edition of 3d mark vantage so that I could figure out which gpu to buy...now it's back to the drawing board...

Vantage is written by incompetent programmers, don't believe their numbers. DX10 code is not to be taken lightly, only those who can truly understand the documentation can write optimized dx10 apps otherwise it will run worse than dx9. Why do you think nv took so long to to bring stable drivers? it's because of new driver model by MS and DX10, both are extremely advanced. So some loser makes a dx10 app to scale the performance...I just don't believe it that's all.

I Really don't understand why you say this.......................

MicroSoft has been using futuremarks tecnology for quite a while . In fact anyone that uses Windows Vista uses Futuremarks technolgy to rate the system specs...

Windows Experience Index is based on WinSAT (Windows System Assessment Tool) API developed by Microsoft, scores are according to the lowest performing component. The max score is increased as new technologies arrive.

3D Mark does not show the real world performance but it shows the raw scores of your hardware. I am sure it has succeeded in creating whiners all around the world wanting new cards. Do you know any game or application capable of using 100% of your Hardware power except 3D mark? If yes, then why do you think there are driver and performance updates?

Software is as important as hardware, better code and clever code leads to better applications that makes proper use of hardware. You cannot put a number tag on a piece of hardware and call it good-bad-worse-pathetic etc. So the performance factor depends on programmer's brain power and the hardware resources.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: biostud

Fudzillas red herald:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/...2/summer-bring-gpu-war

You saw a little of that with the 3870X2, but the bridge was a simple PCIe switch. The real magic this time is a bridge that shares memory, GDDR5 in this case. Yup, you will have 2 GPUs with one set of memory.

Am reading July for the x2 with gddr5. Looking forward to this monster!

 

[CrystalBay]

OK ..Good But With Ceavat, and Mark Reign beating on PC's so much whos is gonna survive ...

 

[CrystalBay]

I'll Say WinSat looks and feels much like Futuremark's ....

 

[Ketherx]

http://forums.legitreviews.com/about15370.html

Is this real stuff?

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Ketherx
http://forums.legitreviews.com/about15370.html

Is this real stuff?

probably not

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Jax Omen
I will believe it when I see it, but I *so* want that link to be true.

I would buy a 4870x2 so fast... I don't care if I don't have the money. Hell, I'd buy two and an x48 so I could crossfire them.

What if that link was true? Doesn't mean it will perform same as a single card and scale accordingly.

That's what I was thinking- how it uses memory is largely irrelevant if it's still doing AFR. I've seen no reason to think that it isn't.