ATI 4xxx Series Thread

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Grinja

Originally posted by: Kuzi

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
even at 55nm it would be VERY difficult for nvidia to do a dual-gpu card. have you seen the size of that monster?? The good news for nvidia is that they'll probably still beat 4870x2, and, if not, well...there's always the ultra 290...

Yeah it's huge, but you know, in my case, I'd rather buy a very fast single GPU card than a dual GPU card. Simply because some games don't benefit from the dual GPU card, and some only gain a little fps (10-20%). I've seen only a few games that gain almost 2x the speed on the 3870x2 compared to a 3870.

If ATI can get almost 1.8-1.9x the speed on their 4870x2, then I'm sure it'll beat the GTX280 in most games. It'll depend a lot on the drivers and the game itself, some games just love Nvidia hardware

I feel the same , I would prefer to have a single chip card. However I suspect that developers will put more emphasis on multi GPU support in future titles and drivers will continue to improve. Even if Nvidia doesn't need to make another GX 2 they still support SLI.

In the end, multi GPU will be the future, single GPU's are getting bigger and bigger, and harder to make, with higher power consumption and heat dissipation with millions of transistors which will cause low yields and low profits. It's much cheaper to go to a dual GPU solution and invest in software engineering to optimize the Dual GPU utilization and performance. In the end, driver development and optimization for a Dual GPU is gonna be cheaper than hardware engineering for high performance on a single GPU.

 

[Rusin]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view&id=7511&Itemid=1
HD4870 will slaughter 9800 GTX..

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Rusin
http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view&id=7511&Itemid=1
HD4870 will slaughter 9800 GTX..

it says that the (RV770XT) HD4870 and 9800GTX will have similar performance, but the 4870 will be cheaper. I wonder if they meant the RV770pro.


I just hope that my waterblock fits the 48xx cards.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Rusin
http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view&id=7511&Itemid=1
HD4870 will slaughter 9800 GTX..

it says that the (RV770XT) HD4870 and 9800GTX will have similar performance, but the 4870 will be cheaper. I wonder if they meant the RV770pro.


I just hope that my waterblock fits the 48xx cards.

..my way of reading Inquirer or Fudzilla stories..

 

[stepone]

Mmm... from the latest spec info doing the rounds it looks as if ATI has had a hard time getting the clocks up on the 48xx series as it now seems certain that the 4850 will be @625mhz core & 900mhz shader & the 4870 will be 725mhz core with 1025mhz shader & instead of being 25% faster than a 9800gtx it'll be level pegging it (allbeit for less money).

Perhaps the 4870 will launch at $250 instead of $350 & the 4850@ $200 if this is the case... Either way ATI looks to be struggling to reach the current gen's performance with their next gen cards which can't be good.

 

[Rusin]

Where did you get that 725MHz number?

 

[BFG10K]

ATi slides and pictures:

http://www.tomshardware.tw/549,news-549.html

 

[Kuzi]

No one here thinks the 4870 will be faster than the 9800GTX?

 

[Rusin]

It should be slightly faster than 9800 GTX and slower than 9800 GX2

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/tra..._en&btnTrUrl=Translate
according to this HD4850 would be close to 9800 GTX in performance and should sell with $230 ish price tag [smallest price for 9800 GTX I could find was $250]

If that's correct then what about Geforce 8800 GTS 512? It's also close to 9800 GTX on performance and it's sold with $170?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: stepone
Mmm... from the latest spec info doing the rounds it looks as if ATI has had a hard time getting the clocks up on the 48xx series as it now seems certain that the 4850 will be @625mhz core & 900mhz shader & the 4870 will be 725mhz core with 1025mhz shader & instead of being 25% faster than a 9800gtx it'll be level pegging it (allbeit for less money).

Perhaps the 4870 will launch at $250 instead of $350 & the 4850@ $200 if this is the case... Either way ATI looks to be struggling to reach the current gen's performance with their next gen cards which can't be good.

Please a link from ATI stating what the 4800series cards were suppose to run at. Not some inter web fanboy BS . If you believe that stuff . Than the inquirer artical about NV hugh hot low clocked GTX 280 must be true also . Or does the inquirer have a secret agenda. Couldn't help but notice that the nv guys are saying because of the specs . it will be 100% faster than the last gen. But ATI specs even tho impressive won't gain that much in performance over last gen. So did ati improve anything or just add shaders. TM and allow higher clocks on the shaders. It seems to me ATI improveded their GPU by better than 100% .

As for the GPU MGZ. Maybe just maybe ATi took a page out of Intels playbook. and are going to sell us a GPU that is highly O/C able and is faster than the GTX200 at stock speeds. Ati seems content to let NV show their parts first. Smart move . Increase clocks if needed.

Last but not least. Stopped! Had to make sure this was ATI thread . Couldn't tell with all the NV marketing types in this thread.

In the CPU world if you have a hugh hot low clocked power hungery CPU it was called Prescott. Seems to me that the GTX280 is going to be NVs Prerscott. Energy usage matters alot . NV fails badly here.
NV.
1) Hugh hot lowclocks power hungry = NV. OH! I forgot expensive!
2) Power hungry = Even more expensive to own .

Ati = High yields low power draw and impressive performance gains.

Why should a GPU be any differant than a CPU when it comes to heat and power consumption? NV = bad ATI = good.

Now their is an NV gtx 280 thread . NV fans should go play their. Won't it be great if NV is just hyping the GTX 280. and ATI is playing dead. If this happens it will have been a great time for Intel /ATI fans . I for one won't bother with the NV fanbois . Because Video card fanbois are about as bad as it gets both sides. According to NV . I don't even need a CPU . LOL! NV must believe it . Because A high performance GPU on AN intel Xtreme System will requirer a QPlink licnese for Nehalem something NV isn't getting . TO bad ! But NV doesn't care. They don't need a good strong cpu. A via cpu is all NV requires. Looks like until Larrabbee is released the ATI cards will power the XtremeNehalem setups and own all the bench marks. BIG deal right? Its not real world but it does matter to a lot of people. Same as power consumption doesn't matter right? It does to lots of people. ATI for the WIN!

 

[Rusin]

You said that you didn't like fanboy BS, but decided to write pure fanboy message?

For example you are talking about power consumption:
You said that GTX 280 will be monster in that, but as neutral as you are you forgot HD4870 X2. HD4870's TDP is already 157W..and with stupid simple mathematics 2xHD4870 would be 314W, which would be 80W MORE than GTX 280's number. Even if they would find a way to reduce heat by 25W per GPU it would still consume more. In last gen 2xHD3870 actually consumed a lot less than single HD3870 X2.

GTX 260 and GTX 280 will be high end parts for Nvidia and you are comparing them to AMD's performance-level products? Well that' what's expected when ATi fanboy talks about heat. Geforce GTX 260 has only 16% (25W)higher TDP than HD4870..so it's very likely that GTX 260 will have better pergormance/power consumption ratio than HD4870.
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You also talk about clocks and Intel processors. Yeah.. Core2 lost badly against Athlon X2 because Core2 had such a low clocks.
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If both companies improves their stuff by 100% it won't mean that performance would be the same. For example 9800 GX2 is already that 40-55% faster than HD3870 X2 in time demos and even faster in games.

By the way your low power draw-card uses two 6pin power connectors just like power consuming monster GTX 260 .

 

[stepone]

I'm certainly no nvidia fan boy & i'll be looking to get a 4850 in about a month or so as I don't need that much gaming power but am more intrested in the low power/heat/price & good all round balance in gaming & video.

I'm just a bit concerned that ATI is having a hard time keeping up with the 9800gtx given that this cards price is dangerously close to the 4850/4870's & that once the gtx 260/280 hits the price of the 9800gtx should start to creep down further making the choice a bit harder...

 

[Rusin]

Stepone:
Well what about Geforce 8800 GTS 512? 9800 GTX just and just manages to win it and costs over 45% more than 8800 GTS 512.

 

[taltamir]

the 8800GTS 512 is not made anymore AFAIK, and stock is running out. It is overstocked transitory parts that are currently vastly underpriced and will soon run out of stock.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: stepone
I'm certainly no nvidia fan boy & i'll be looking to get a 4850 in about a month or so as I don't need that much gaming power but am more intrested in the low power/heat/price & good all round balance in gaming & video.

I'm just a bit concerned that ATI is having a hard time keeping up with the 9800gtx given that this cards price is dangerously close to the 4850/4870's & that once the gtx 260/280 hits the price of the 9800gtx should start to creep down further making the choice a bit harder...

If anything, the price on the 9800GTXs will creep upwards as Nvidia ceases production and stock runs out.

 

[taltamir]

if you ALREADY decided what you are going to buy then you ARE a fanboy... I am SUSPECTING what I will buy, but I am waiting for my guesses about future performance and cost to be confirmed or refuted. The decision would be made when the cards are available... not based on the companies involved.

 

[Rusin]

..I haven't actually ever bought product because who have made it [Have had 17 graphics card: 5x3dFX, 5xNvidia, 4xS3, 3xATi. 10 processors: 7xAMD 3xIntel]. I buy best option for me and somehow I'd wish it would be Nvidia..

 

[tank171]

Originally posted by: Rusin
You said that you didn't like fanboy BS, but decided to write pure fanboy message?

For example you are talking about power consumption:
You said that GTX 280 will be monster in that, but as neutral as you are you forgot HD4870 X2. HD4870's TDP is already 157W..and with stupid simple mathematics 2xHD4870 would be 314W, which would be 80W MORE than GTX 280's number. Even if they would find a way to reduce heat by 25W per GPU it would still consume more. In last gen 2xHD3870 actually consumed a lot less than single HD3870 X2.

GTX 260 and GTX 280 will be high end parts for Nvidia and you are comparing them to AMD's performance-level products? Well that' what's expected when ATi fanboy talks about heat. Geforce GTX 260 has only 16% (25W)higher TDP than HD4870..so it's very likely that GTX 260 will have better pergormance/power consumption ratio than HD4870.
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You also talk about clocks and Intel processors. Yeah.. Core2 lost badly against Athlon X2 because Core2 had such a low clocks.
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If both companies improves their stuff by 100% it won't mean that performance would be the same. For example 9800 GX2 is already that 40-55% faster than HD3870 X2 in time demos and even faster in games.

By the way your low power draw-card uses two 6pin power connectors just like power consuming monster GTX 260 .

I have read that the 4870 X2 will be 250 watt tdp, not 300. You also must consider their minimum tpds which is supposed to be insanely low.

 

[Rusin]

I've heard that speculation that HD4870 X2 would have only 250W TDP, meaning that it would have two GPUs that are somewhere between HD4850 and HD4870. Minimum TDP..Minimimu maximum power consumption? They would use two standarts all the sudden? TDP value (in GPU markets) just tell maximum power consumption.

 

[taltamir]

well... it is supposedly MAXIMUM... at load... it is supposed to be the most efficient GPU in many years.

 

[Grinja]

Man ... next gen cards could not get here any faster.

Does anyone know what the size these cards will be?

 

[dv8silencer]

approx. 15" - tri-slot

 

[Tempered81]

HD 4870 Pics:

http://www.pczilla.net/en/post/23.html

 

[BlueAcolyte]

That's pretty sexy.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

I was thinking that i will buy a 4850 and OC it as far as it goes but i saw a single 6/8pin plug but 4870 has two of those. Now, am i to assume that my soon to be 4850 will never reach 4870's speed's???