ATI 4xxx Series Thread

[Nemesis 1]

2 weeks left and all this is over and done with. Wouldn't it be great if the 4870x2 clobbers the GTX280 . Cheaper and better tech than NV . 10.1 makes it a little more future proof also

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: taltamir
which is pretty sad.

Oh, to reiterate:
Judging a technology should be done on it's current capability, not some imagined future ones. (otherwise netburst is godly, rather then the worst crap from intel, ever)
People are fully justified to judge multi-gpu setups harshly cause right now they suck, if they get better in the future, then the opinions will change

Netburst wasn't even a good idea for the future... thanks for analogy attempt though.

 

[dv8silencer]

"RV770 Launch On 25th June, Clocks Finalized"
http://www.vr-zone.com/article...ks_Finalized/5857.html

 

[bryanW1995]

750...I was really hoping for 850...hmmm, I wonder how far these guys will oc...

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: ExtelleronI'm not saying that the production advantages have anything to do with the 4870 X2 being a better card. The 4870 X2 will be a better card if it performs better than the GTX 280, and that is all that matters. Yet some people such as you want to say "Well, it might be faster but it's dual GPU so it doesn't count."

I bolded the source of the misunderstanding. That is NOT what I am saying.

I say that if it performs WORSE then it is pathetic.
If the x2 performs better and costs less then it is a better card and I will be first in line to buy it (and performs also includes heat, noise, power consumption, and driver issues).

I do, however, warn that due to past tendencies to have issues with multi-GPU, I would expect it to have issues that detract from its value...

Its not that it doesn't count because it is multi-gpu. It is simply that the raw FPS are not as impressive because of multi-gpu bugs and issues that don't exist in single GPU. If they resolve that, or provide a sufficiently great performance boost, then it could be a great card.

To me, the current issues in multi GPU implementation mean that a multi GPU setup should outperform a similarly PRICED single GPU setup by at least 20% before I Would consider it. (actually 20% if the multi GPU is AMD, 30% if it is nvidia, due to AMDs superior multi GPU situation).
Those figures will go down as the multi-GPU implementation improves.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
if rumored prices are any indication then it doesn't seem likely that 4870x2 will be faster than 280gtx. it would be nice to have some competition, but $500<<$650. NV is going to dominate the high end again this time. I'll be highly impressed if 4870 is even close to gtx 260, and the same for 4870x2 with 280 gtx.

worlds fastest card. link

 

[Snakexor]

MSRPs

4850: $199
4870: $299

Final

 

[taltamir]

with amazing "1024MB Ultra-Fast GDDR2" ha

 

[manko]

Originally posted by: Snakexor
MSRPs

4850: $199
4870: $299

Final

I don't doubt you, but is there a link to the source for this info?

These prices are in line with what most people have been speculating. I saw one story this week that said ATI was supposedly thinking $299 might be too low for the 4870 considering the performance. It's good to hear they didn't go any higher.

I hope they have enough supply so there isn't much price gouging. I'd love to see some $179 deals on the 4850. A nice juicy rebate on the 4870 might convince me to spend more than I had planned.

 

[taltamir]

so....
4850 - 200$
4870 - 300$
2x 4850 - 400$ (two individual cards in CF)
GTX 260 - 450$
2x 4870 - 600$ (two individual cards in CF)
GTX 280 - 650$

4870x2 - unknown price as of yet

I really REALLY hope that nvidia isn't price gouging... cause that would mean I could expect a 280 to be about 3 times the speed of my current 8800GTS 512...
Otherwise AMD starts looking REAL attractive right now...

 

[bryanW1995]

the clocks are too low imho. I know that they had these power consumption figures in mind, but come on...a little extra core mhz never hurt anybody... /grump

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: taltamir
so....
4850 - 200$
4870 - 300$
2x 4850 - 400$ (two individual cards in CF)
GTX 260 - 450$
2x 4870 - 600$ (two individual cards in CF)
GTX 280 - 650$

4870x2 - unknown price as of yet

I really REALLY hope that nvidia isn't price gouging... cause that would mean I could expect a 280 to be about 3 times the speed of my current 8800GTS 512...
Otherwise AMD starts looking REAL attractive right now...

fixed.

 

[taltamir]

oops. thanks

 

[manko]

I saw speculation about the price for the 4870X2 being around $500.

 

[taltamir]

that same speculation also indicated the 4870 will be 250$... sinc ethe 4870 went to 300$ I would also assume the x2 went up accordingly.

 

[Sylvanas]

Looks like we will have a winner on our hands. 4870X2- cheaper and better performing than a GTX280. Yes, one may argue that they don't like the multiGPU SLI/CF implementations, but until you try them I would reserve judgment as I have had my Crossfire setup since the start of the year and have had no problems at all and able to play all my games at max. I look forward to upgrading to a 4xxx.

 

[chewietobbacca]

RV770 has 800SP's??!

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7841.html

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: chewietobbacca
RV770 has 800SP's??!

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7841.html

damn. this should be interesting

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: chewietobbacca
RV770 has 800SP's??!

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7841.html

Wow, if true many :thumbsup:

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: chewietobbacca
RV770 has 800SP's??!

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7841.html

Some suspicion.
Everything is still open. AMD is doing good job of fooling everybody. Internet tom-tombs hint 800sp's though.

 

[taltamir]

not all SP are created equal... how many of those are floating point SP, and how many are the useless integer only SP that AMD primarily uses...

 

[bryanW1995]

the 750 core for 4870 and 625 core for 4850 has been written about a lot recently...maybe they'll have more OC variants like nvidia typically offers.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: taltamir
not all SP are created equal... how many of those are floating point SP, and how many are the useless integer only SP that AMD primarily uses...

It's 160 5-way stream processors.... just like R600/RV670 are 64 5-way. Nothing is useless, it's just a different archiecture than nVidia.

As I said on xtremesystems, I'm pretty sure that RV770 will either have 480SP + seperate shader domain (higher than core speed) or it will have 800SP. 480SP @ 750MHz would not be enough of an improvement over RV670 and it would be a major deviation from ATI's traditional shader > texture policy that they have been sticklers of since RV535 in 2005.

 

[manko]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
the 750 core for 4870 and 625 core for 4850 has been written about a lot recently...maybe they'll have more OC variants like nvidia typically offers.

Well, an easy 700 overclock on the 4850 was mentioned a few days ago.

Radeon HD 4850 (RV770PRO) Tested

We have spotted a RV770PRO demo system over at Computex and we have checked out the settings of the beta Catalyst drivers for RV770 series. The card can be easily overclocked to 700MHz core.

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, but oc'ing with CCC sucks. 625 to 700 is extremely weak compared to what MANY nvidia users get on their cards with rivatuner.