ATI 4xxx Series Thread

[taltamir]

yea it does, because we can expect larabee to support havok then..
Ofcourse, it is yet to be seen which implementation MS uses in DX11

 

[Extelleron]

HD 4850 Crossfire performance in Vantage: http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=287874

Beats GTX 280 even in Extreme profile (1920x1200 4xAA)

 

[titan131]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
HD 4850 Crossfire performance in Vantage: http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=287874

Beats GTX 280 even in Extreme profile (1920x1200 4xAA)

"the cpu that was tested with the GTX280 was a QX9650 but clocked at 3GHz. While this is in 4GHz. So, I conclude that 2xHD4580 = 1xGTX280 in terms of performance"

 

[HurleyBird]

Every day it looks more and more like NVIDIA is going to get owned, no?

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Every day it looks more and more like NVIDIA is going to get owned, no?

Not performance wise, they still have the fastest single GPU chip.

Price/performance is where they may have trouble, and when we start talking multi-GPU, it'll be hard to do so being so power hungry.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

AFAIK the fat ALU handles things like transcendental functions, and those instructions need a separate unit on Nvidia's HW as well, they can't be processed by all ALU's.

My understanding was the regular ALUs do these also but it takes more than one cycle, unlike the simpler instructions that are done in one cycle. Also ATi?s fifth unit can?t do some things the other four can like integer ADD.

The fact is ATi?s VLIW requires more work with respect to optimal instruction scheduling than nVidia?s superscalar architecture.

Are ATI's set up like a pipeline, or sitting in parrallel? I thought it was the former.

They?re in parallel but they depend on an optimal mix of instructions to attain maximum performance.

Man you are sharp . But EPIC (VLIW) is taking AMD down a road hector choose . Hector is not so stupid after all. Intel and AMD will cross roads in the very near future , and VLIw or EPIC is were they are bothing heading. Your forgetting about Intel and the 2004 purchase of Elbrus. ALL that for a compiler. AMD has been making noises about Intels Compilers. You won't here one more word from AMD about the compiler they were interested in .

In the mean time Intel develops Larrabee using X86 instructions. AT the same time AMD has to develop code for VLIW and work on a x86 compiler for Vlic which intel has .

All the while the unsinkable titanic sets patiently waiting which also uses EPIC (VLIW)

This is the Very reason I was banned the 1st time here at ATF. I said it was coming and none could stop it . But the AMD fanbois went crazy on me . I defended my ground and reasoning to no avail. Look it up. The R600 is the only time I got bitch slapped . and I blame that on MS for changing the specs of DX10.

 

[Elfear]

Hope this hasn't been posted already. Looks like someone let the cat out of the bag a little early.

Powercolor HD 4850 Benchmark and Package

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Every day it looks more and more like NVIDIA is going to get owned, no?

nope....I still haven't seen a single bit of information that shows anything ATI has will be than nVidia, or vice versa. I see all sorts of FUD about both cards. I have seen this FUD before especially from the Inquirer....and from all of their info in the past, one could say that whatever they say, one can expect the opposite to be true.

I am waiting until the cards actually come out to see who wins.

I will let the rabid little fanboys pick apart all the unsubstantiated FUD and declare their favorite GPU manufacturer the winner, before the cards even hit the streets.

Prices, performance, power consumption, number of unified Shaders, it is all FUD until June 18th and 25th

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Every day it looks more and more like NVIDIA is going to get owned, no?

nope....I still haven't seen a single bit of information that shows anything ATI has will be than nVidia, or vice versa. I see all sorts of FUD about both cards. I have seen this FUD before especially from the Inquirer....and from all of their info in the past, one could say that whatever they say, one can expect the opposite to be true.

I am waiting until the cards actually come out to see who wins.

I will let the rapid little fanboys pick apart all the unsubstantiated FUD and declare their favorite GPU manufacturer the winner, before the cards even hit the streets.

Prices, performance, power consumption, number of unified Shaders, it is all FUD until June 18th and 25th

To some it's FUD but specs are known already

 

[unr3al]

Whatever the case, be the rumours true, we could have a stellar card in the RV7xx series compared to the RV6xx anyway. If RV770 actually has 160 five-way shaders... Wow. But all's rumours until release day. Still 10 days if Im not mistaken?

What interests me most, is the possible low-end performance. Could we be looking at an HD4650 that equals the HD3850 in performance but with the HD3650's power consumption or even less? That would be great indeed.

Crysis playable on my 1024x768 CRT with all the eye candy except AA and AF and the card costs R1000? Well, that would float my boat!

 

[dennilfloss]

The Diamond 4850 is fugly. $199 is a decent price though.

http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-...qid=1213253657&sr=1-59

 

[unr3al]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Every day it looks more and more like NVIDIA is going to get owned, no?

nope....I still haven't seen a single bit of information that shows anything ATI has will be than nVidia, or vice versa. I see all sorts of FUD about both cards. I have seen this FUD before especially from the Inquirer....and from all of their info in the past, one could say that whatever they say, one can expect the opposite to be true.

I am waiting until the cards actually come out to see who wins.

I will let the rapid little fanboys pick apart all the unsubstantiated FUD and declare their favorite GPU manufacturer the winner, before the cards even hit the streets.

Prices, performance, power consumption, number of unified Shaders, it is all FUD until June 18th and 25th

To some it's FUD but specs are known already

And none of the links I posted came from IQ. They came from NordicHardware. Not exactly unreliable but depends on their source.

 

[unr3al]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
The Diamond 4850 is fugly. $199 is a decent price though.

http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-...qid=1213253657&sr=1-59

Depends what exactly you describe as fugly. 'It' in RE4 is fugly. Personally I like the design on that card. lol but thats just me.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Every day it looks more and more like NVIDIA is going to get owned, no?

nope....I still haven't seen a single bit of information that shows anything ATI has will be than nVidia, or vice versa. I see all sorts of FUD about both cards. I have seen this FUD before especially from the Inquirer....and from all of their info in the past, one could say that whatever they say, one can expect the opposite to be true.

I am waiting until the cards actually come out to see who wins.

I will let the rapid little fanboys pick apart all the unsubstantiated FUD and declare their favorite GPU manufacturer the winner, before the cards even hit the streets.

Prices, performance, power consumption, number of unified Shaders, it is all FUD until June 18th and 25th

The Inq doesn't just spew fud, the prelude each bit of fud with very compelling reasons NOT to trust them.. for example "we have been completely excluded from nvidia, we are so pissed, so now we going to trash that thing that nvidia did NOT let us see, so we couldn't possibly know anything about".

Way to go destroying your own credibility, lately every one of their articles starts by destroying their own credibility and ends with bashing nvidia.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Elfear
Hope thtis hasn't been posted already. Looks like someone let the cat out of the bag a little early.

Powercolor HD 4850

That is one lucky guy who got to buy that. $210, doesn't seem bad either.

 

[taltamir]

that is a GDDR3 version of the 4850... So we are talking about the stuff that is so low end AMD said only certain system integrators will get it. (which is really misleading, cause you KNOW they are going to sell it to customers as "AMD HD4850" without mention of the GDDR3.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: taltamir
that is a GDDR3 version of the 4850... So we are talking about the stuff that is so low end AMD said only certain system integrators will get it. (which is really misleading, cause you KNOW they are going to sell it to customers as "AMD HD4850" without mention of the GDDR3.

What are you talking about? All the 4850's are going to have GDDR3.

 

[taltamir]

last I heard there was supposed to be 4850 with GDDR3 for specific low end system integrators. 4850 GDDR5 sold to system integrators and to the public via etailers / retailers, and 4870 GDDR5 ONLY sold to be system integrators and the public.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: taltamir
last I heard there was supposed to be 4850 with GDDR3 for specific low end system integrators. 4850 GDDR5 sold to system integrators and to the public via etailers / retailers, and 4870 GDDR5 ONLY sold to be system integrators and the public.

I thought the 4850 was a GDDR3 part only.

The 4870 I saw listed as supporting both GDDR3 and GDDR5. I hope that AMD does differentiate between the two since it looks like the GDDR5 parts will have something like 80% more bandwidth, so I imagine in certain instances the performance will be much different between the two 4870's.

 

[taltamir]

in certain cases means "above 800x600 resolutions"

Then again, then the worst that could be said about their naming scheme is "as bad/misleading as nvidia's"

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: taltamir
last I heard there was supposed to be 4850 with GDDR3 for specific low end system integrators. 4850 GDDR5 sold to system integrators and to the public via etailers / retailers, and 4870 GDDR5 ONLY sold to be system integrators and the public.

I thought the 4850 was a GDDR3 part only.

The 4870 I saw listed as supporting both GDDR3 and GDDR5. I hope that AMD does differentiate between the two since it looks like the GDDR5 parts will have something like 80% more bandwidth, so I imagine in certain instances the performance will be much different between the two 4870's.

IIRC.

ATI will be putting our 4850's in GDDR5 configuration only and giving its vendors the option use GDDR3 instead.

4870 will be GDDR5 only.

 

[taltamir]

so, exactly as i said.

What does IIRC mean?

 

[shabby]

Intimate Internet Relay Chat...

 

[taltamir]

hahaha. Actually i looked it up on wikitionary: If I Recall/Remember Correctly. But thanks for the laugh.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Every day it looks more and more like NVIDIA is going to get owned, no?

nope....I still haven't seen a single bit of information that shows anything ATI has will be than nVidia, or vice versa. I see all sorts of FUD about both cards. I have seen this FUD before especially from the Inquirer....and from all of their info in the past, one could say that whatever they say, one can expect the opposite to be true.

I am waiting until the cards actually come out to see who wins.

I will let the rapid little fanboys pick apart all the unsubstantiated FUD and declare their favorite GPU manufacturer the winner, before the cards even hit the streets.

Prices, performance, power consumption, number of unified Shaders, it is all FUD until June 18th and 25th

The Inq doesn't just spew fud, the prelude each bit of fud with very compelling reasons NOT to trust them.. for example "we have been completely excluded from nvidia, we are so pissed, so now we going to trash that thing that nvidia did NOT let us see, so we couldn't possibly know anything about".

Way to go destroying your own credibility, lately every one of their articles starts by destroying their own credibility and ends with bashing nvidia.

tal, don't ever ever EVER use "credibility" and "the inq" in the same paragraph again!!