ATI 4xxx Series Thread

[ronnn]

nice one steel6! I would be interested in your subjective opinion. How smooth games feel, visual quality - that kind of stuff. :beer:

 

[oddity21]

Would be lovely to see single-card numbers...

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I really want to go ATI this round, but what about all this PhysX stuff Nvidia has going? Isn't there a lot of future titles coming out with this technology?

Not really, Nvidia would like you to believe this though, ATI has Havok anyway. By the time Physics becomes useful in games we will have DX11 which will probably bring it's own form of GPU physics.

Last time round I went for Crossfire 3850's for cheaper than a GTX/ GTS512 and I got similar and in some cases better performance. This time round I will do the same. :thumbsup:

I know there's a list of titles supporting physX thats floating around here somewhere. A lot of these titles are due out towards the end of the year and 1st/2nd quarter of 09. I haven't heard about the Havok deal, looks interesting.

 

[thilanliyan]

Damn nice benches SteelSix. Looks like ATI can compete fairly well this round.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
I really want to go ATI this round, but what about all this PhysX stuff Nvidia has going? Isn't there a lot of future titles coming out with this technology?

Not really, Nvidia would like you to believe this though, ATI has Havok anyway. By the time Physics becomes useful in games we will have DX11 which will probably bring it's own form of GPU physics.

Last time round I went for Crossfire 3850's for cheaper than a GTX/ GTS512 and I got similar and in some cases better performance. This time round I will do the same. :thumbsup:

I know there's a list of titles supporting physX thats floating around here somewhere. A lot of these titles are due out towards the end of the year and 1st/2nd quarter of 09. I haven't heard about the Havok deal, looks interesting.

Sure they may support it but will it be worthwhile ie, offer a performance benefit or noticably worthwhile visual benefit? We don't know, considering Physx by Ageia offered none of the above I am not holding out hope.

I hope there will be 4870 results on release day, VR-zone is citing a Turkish site that hints at the retail date being 8 July. Which is bearable considering the GDDR5 shortage (isn't Qimonda the only manufacturer of GDDR5 at the moment?). Also, considering the GDDR4 derivative of the 2900XT cut power consumption by around 40-50 watts, it will be interesting to see if that bodes true for the 4870- if that is the case we could see a part that performs not only better than a 4850 but also is cooler and consumes less power.

 

[OCGuy]

Im not seeing anything sticking out compared to 2 X 8800GT, which cost less.....

This is the ATI 4xxx thread, I don't see anything relating to that in your post. The next time you drag this thread off-topic, I'm dragging you out of the forums for a week.

 

[Sylvanas]

Not to put too many demands on Steelsix but It would be good if you could next bench some UE3 games (Bioshock, Gear of war, UT3, Mass Effect) since that is probably the most scalable and best looking/optimized/performing engine out atm.

 

[tuteja1986]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fkj8nBeaZzg cool video :! anyone got a TV that support this ?


Samsung 3D ready DPL tridef.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
If 4870 delivers 80% of GTX 280's performance for half the price, wouldn't it be wiser to buy it instead of 280 or maybe CF setup for 600 bucks?

the same could be said for almost every mid range part ever made.

For CPUs it is even worse... 80% of performance for 20% of the cost...

Yes it would be wiser, unless you have lots of excess income itching to be spent on some expensive toy.

And while CF or SLI setup with a 300$ card might make much more sense then a single GTX280, how would they compare to 2 or even 3 GTX 280 in SLI?
Some people DO have the money to spend 1300$ or 1950$ on video cards alone.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Im not seeing anything sticking out compared to 2 X 8800GT, which cost less.....

Who would have guessed? :roll: Are you looking forward to being the next Rollo or Gstanfor? First you tried to make a horrible value card like the GTX 280 look good, and now that it gets trumped by a product costing 30-40% less, you change the subject... Nice :roll:

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Aberforth
If 4870 delivers 80% of GTX 280's performance for half the price, wouldn't it be wiser to buy it instead of 280 or maybe CF setup for 600 bucks?

the same could be said for almost every mid range part ever made.

For CPUs it is even worse... 80% of performance for 20% of the cost...

Yes it would be wiser, unless you have lots of excess income itching to be spent on some expensive toy.

And while CF or SLI setup with a 300$ card might make much more sense then a single GTX280, how would they compare to 2 or even 3 GTX 280 in SLI?
Some people DO have the money to spend 1300$ or 1950$ on video cards alone.

Well, I did buy 8800 GTX in SLI after reading Anantech's review, I was hoping to max everything @ 25x16 res, it was one of the worst purchases I've ever made. Now my monitor has become a BluRay movie terminal for family and neighbors.

 

[betasub]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
Well, I did buy 8800 GTX in SLI after reading Anantech's review, I was hoping to max everything @ 25x16 res, it was one of the worst purchases I've ever made.

How so? Was it the price you paid at the time, or the performance at 25x16?

As a non-8800GTX owner, I see lots of 8800GTX owners on AT forums proclaiming them a great purchase at the time - longevity at the high end, good balance of strong GPU/high bandwidth/large buffer.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: betasub

Originally posted by: Aberforth
Well, I did buy 8800 GTX in SLI after reading Anantech's review, I was hoping to max everything @ 25x16 res, it was one of the worst purchases I've ever made.

How so? Was it the price you paid at the time, or the performance at 25x16?

As a non-8800GTX owner, I see lots of 8800GTX owners on AT forums proclaiming them a great purchase at the time - longevity at the high end, good balance of strong GPU/high bandwidth/large buffer.

In the PC industry there are new things that keep popping up every few weeks, it's really stupid of us to think our SLI/CF setup will last long. I can guarantee only 6 months. Meaning they won't deliver top-notch performance so you won't be future proof even for 6 months. It's bad, considering the amount of money you spend, look at the console markets, when you buy a console for your kid you will surely think it's going to last for 6 to 7 years. It's not that way for PC's, it's just that- under pressure of hype and brainwashing reviews we forget our economical intuition. It is never about how much money you spend, it's all about how wisely you spend and how much value you get out of that purchase. I don't have SLI anymore, gave the other card to my friend- we all like to play Crysis multilayer during lunch

 

[happy medium]

Whats faster,a 8800gts 512 or 4850? I seen some benches putting the 4850 about 10% faster then a 8800gt.

I can pick up 2-8800gts's for 320.00$ after rebate.
So I guess my question is, Is 2- 4850's worth the extra 80.00$?

 

[Kuzi]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Im not seeing anything sticking out compared to 2 X 8800GT, which cost less.....

Do you have something against ATI? If you have nothing informative to post in this thread, then post somewhere else. Or create your own thread about how ATI sux. I'm an NV fan myself, but your posts are getting annoying.


@SteelSix
Great job, thnx for the HD 4850 mini review and benches

Originally posted by: happy medium
Whats faster,a 8800gts 512 or 4850? I seen some benches putting the 4850 about 10% faster then a 8800gt.

I can pick up 2-8800gts's for 320.00$ after rebate.
So I guess my question is, Is 2- 4850's worth the extra 80.00$?

From the few individual tests I saw on the net, seems the HD 4850 is actually faster than the 8800GT. Just wait another week to make up your mind if it's worth it or not to pay $80 more for 2x HD 4850s. This way you can also see what scales better SLI or CF for these cards.

I'll probably get a 4870 with 1GB GDDR5, hope they would cost less than $350.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: happy medium
Whats faster,a 8800gts 512 or 4850? I seen some benches putting the 4850 about 10% faster then a 8800gt.

I can pick up 2-8800gts's for 320.00$ after rebate.
So I guess my question is, Is 2- 4850's worth the extra 80.00$?

http://www.tweaktown.com/artic...the_gtx_280/index.html

Interest article. Time to hurry up and wait to see the ATI benchmarks.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: happy medium
Whats faster,a 8800gts 512 or 4850? I seen some benches putting the 4850 about 10% faster then a 8800gt.

I can pick up 2-8800gts's for 320.00$ after rebate.
So I guess my question is, Is 2- 4850's worth the extra 80.00$?

Well if you compare his benches to Anand's, his HD 4850 Crossfire is around ~16% faster than 8800GT SLI. 9800GTX SLI would be slightly faster than HD 4850 Crossfire, because the 9800GTX is ~19% faster than a single 8800GT.

But as for a single card.... SLI scales much better than Crossfire in Crysis. If we assume the HD 4850 has the same scaling as the 3870 -> 3870 X2, then a single HD 4850 would be 30 FPS, faster than the GTX 260.... that's probably not right unless ATI really scored a miracle.Maybe CF scaling has improved with the 4850.

HD 4850 Crossfire does look pretty appealing compared to the GTX 280....I already bought a 280 but 4850 CF should actually be a bit cheaper and faster. I'm not a huge fan of going SLI/CF, but in this case the performance seems to be good. I'm most worried about my board; it supports Crossfire, but one slot is x16 and the other is x4. Luckily it is a PCI-e 2.0 board so that x4 slot is like a Gen 1 x8 slot. But I'm not sure how this would affect performance. I'm also not too enthusiastic if Steelsix's HD 4850 couldn't hit beyond 660MHz... hope that was a bug and not the truth. Try running ATI Tool to detect artifacts instead of using a program like 3D Mark. In my experience it is better at detecting artifacts anyway.

 

[happy medium]

ok so the 4850 is faster then the 8800gt...slower then the 9800gtx and about the same as a 8800gts. Thanks guys. So I guess I'm going with the 8800gts's (g92) for 80$ cheaper. I have a 750i Evga ftw sli board allready.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: happy medium
ok so the 4850 is faster then the 8800gt...slower then the 9800gtx and about the same as a 8800gts. Thanks guys. So I guess I'm going with the 8800gts's (g92) for 80$ cheaper. I have a 750i Evga ftw sli board allready.

At least that's what everyone thinks. Rumors and speculation are not the same as facts, it would be wise to wait a week for the official reviews to sort everything out. You shouldn't make purchasing decisions without all the facts you can get your hands on.

 

[happy medium]

Well I just pulled the trigger on 2-8800gts (g92)'s for 294.00$ AR.
That deals hard to beat.

http://fxvideocards.com/ZOTAC-...ideo-Card-p-16280.html

I just can't see the 4850 beating the 8800gts by 25% (the price difference).

 

[betasub]

Originally posted by: happy medium
So I guess I'm going with the 8800gts's (g92) for 80$ cheaper. I have a 750i Evga ftw sli board allready.

Not sure why you are so concerned about Crossfire performance when you have an expensive SLI motherboard already. Seems like you were planning on some sort of G92 SLI anyway.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: betasub

Originally posted by: happy medium
So I guess I'm going with the 8800gts's (g92) for 80$ cheaper. I have a 750i Evga ftw sli board allready.

Not sure why you are so concerned about Crossfire performance when you have an expensive SLI motherboard already. Seems like you were planning on some sort of G92 SLI anyway.

I don't get it either. It's not like there was a choice.

 

[Kuzi]

HD 4850 tests against 8800GT on Core 2 Duo 2.53GHz:

3DMark< UT3, World in Conflict, Crysis

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Kuzi
HD 4850 tests against 8800GT on Core 2 Duo 2.53GHz:

3DMark< UT3, World in Conflict, Crysis

Those look too low and not worth the price either heh...

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: happy medium
Well I just pulled the trigger on 2-8800gts (g92)'s for 294.00$ AR.
That deals hard to beat.

http://fxvideocards.com/ZOTAC-...ideo-Card-p-16280.html

I just can't see the 4850 beating the 8800gts by 25% (the price difference).

Not sure why anyone would care what you bought...

Originally posted by: ViRGE
All of you need to take a chill pill. The next person I deem to be acting like a partisan hack is going on a vacation until after the RV770 launch.

If you make a claim, prove it. If you have a difference of opinion, agree to disagree. If you don't like what the other person has to say, don't just call them a fanboy.