ATI 4xxx Series Thread

[BenSkywalker]

Which would force enthusiasts and hardcore gamers into buying Nvidia based motherboards.

Does not seem like a good way to make more money.

They have done it before, for years, why do you think they wouldn't do it again?Eliminating the possibility of a large portion of the market from even having the option to upgrade their graphics effectively eliminates the overwhelming majority of the potential market for nVidia.

intel could scoop up ati on the cheap and just open up their own can of whoop ass on the house jen-hsun built.

Intel is headed in a deferred rendering direction- ATi is entirely brute force. What you are saying is akin to GM buying Mac trucks to help with a sport car.

 

[NoStateofMind]

ATI Radeon HD 4870 vs GeForce 9800 GX2 benchmark results

We have absolutely no idea how valid these results are. Yet there are some results floating on the web showing regarding ATI's upcoming ATI HD 4870 512MB ATI HD 4870 versus the 1GB GeForce 9800 GX2. Included are Crysis and 3DMark06 results.

Let me state that anyone can make this stuff up and re-produce some nice charts. But if true .. very interesting as it would certainly seem that the new Radeon is an impressive contender. A well .. fingers crossed.

Apparent test system:

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 @ 3.00GHz
ASUS P5E3 Deluxe
2×1GB OCZ DDR3 1333MHz 9-9-9-26
Western Digital 250GB 16MB SATA2 7200RPM
1GB GeForce 9800 GX2 - 600/1500/2000mhz
512MB ATI HD 4870 - 800/3400mhz (gDDR5 ?)

*If* these are real then the 4870 is indeed a force to be reckoned with. Personally I think it looks reasonable. What say you?



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Video Mod BFG10K.

 

[Cookie Monster]

This is the same source that showed the first 2900XT vs 8800GTX crysis benchmarks.

 

[nonameo]

LOL - No AA. I guess ATI/AMD decided to ignore the whole shader AA issue.

 

[Quiksilver]

I could careless about 3dmark... and they needed to turn on AA to see how it fairs then, or if just tanks like the 3870.

 

[bryanW1995]

...wrong thread, sorry...nothing to see here...

 

[error8]

The tests looks pretty correct, but I really doubt that they are true. I guess that if I was to invent a test like this I would put roughly the same fps values there. There is not much time until we'll see the REAL benchmarks.

 

[Jax Omen]

I love the first comment complaining that they didn't make up numbers for his favorite shooter.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
here's an interesting question: what does nvidia do if amd does go under? intel could scoop up ati on the cheap and just open up their own can of whoop ass on the house jen-hsun built. I think that nvidia would be forced to aggressive pursue a deal with ibm/via/amd or SOMEBODY just to keep intel from freezing them completely out of the market. Basically, I'm saying that amd is probably better off with a weak but still alive daamit.

Of course, intel would run into some serious anti-trust problems if amd just went away, so maybe this little 3-way that we've seen lately will last for a little while...

whoops, forgot to post my link:

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7682.html

Actually if Intel didn't do something directly to have AMD leave the cpu market, like withholding a license, then Intel won't face anti-trust issues since there wouldn't be any there for people to get them on. They may face issues from not giving a license to nV if AMD tanks but that'd be all.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
This is the same source that showed the first 2900XT vs 8800GTX crysis benchmarks.

I believe you're incorrect...

 

[ArchAngel777]

Guru3D is pretty respected, IMO. Anyway, these results and very interesting and potentially exciting. Of course, if enabling AA causes the card to take a shit all over it's performance, then I guess I will be passing on the card. But so far it looks promising. Thanks for the post OP - :thumbsup:

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: nonameo
LOL - No AA. I guess ATI/AMD decided to ignore the whole shader AA issue.

Did you read the article? Probably not as usual....

The drivers do not allow AA per the source!

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Guru3D is pretty respected, IMO. Anyway, these results and very interesting and potentially exciting. Of course, if enabling AA causes the card to take a shit all over it's performance, then I guess I will be passing on the card. But so far it looks promising. Thanks for the post OP - :thumbsup:

Guru isn't the site that leaked these, but a different (foreign) site. This foreign site also had some shots pre 2900XT launch showing that card besting the 8800GTX. HOWEVER, I think the foreign site is similar to Guru3d in that it's just hosting the results; the watermarks on these results vs the old 2900XT results are different.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Particularly interesting how CPU limited situations see such a huge boost upgrading the vid card....

I'm not saying that the 4800 won't offer this kind of improvement over the 9800GX2, but these benches are obviously BS.

 

[woolfe9999]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Particularly interesting how CPU limited situations see such a huge boost upgrading the vid card....

I'm not saying that the 4800 won't offer this kind of improvement over the 9800GX2, but these benches are obviously BS.

Yup, not just that there's such a large bump at low res either, but also that the bump at low res is larger percentage-wise than the bump at the higher res. This makes no sense at all.

I so want these benches to be true, but sadly I doubt they are.

- woolfe

 

[bryanW1995]

no way is 4870 going to demolish 9800 gx2 by that much. ill be impressed if 4870 x2 does this...

 

[Pelu]

this looks so fake.... really fake.... even I that have ATI on my computer... cant believe this benchmark omg....

FAKE!!!!!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: woolfe9999

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Particularly interesting how CPU limited situations see such a huge boost upgrading the vid card....

I'm not saying that the 4800 won't offer this kind of improvement over the 9800GX2, but these benches are obviously BS.

Yup, not just that there's such a large bump at low res either, but also that the bump at low res is larger percentage-wise than the bump at the higher res. This makes no sense at all.

I so want these benches to be true, but sadly I doubt they are.

- woolfe

Heh-
I think the world is with you on that one, a card that offers big Crysis gains would be most welcome.

I think these benches are fake, but it wouldn't shock me if a 4870X2 beats a 9800GX2 with no AA, or perhaps by a bit with AA.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Particularly interesting how CPU limited situations see such a huge boost upgrading the vid card....

I'm not saying that the 4800 won't offer this kind of improvement over the 9800GX2, but these benches are obviously BS.

Crysis cpu dependent on a Q9650 at high and very high settings? The benchmarks are quite possibly BS, but I don't follow your logic here.

 

[formulav8]

If this gpu isn't the x2 at least then being valid. A single gpu against two gpus based on the fastest cores available today would really need to be a monster. Especially since the specs thus far shows this new GPU being more of a upgrade of the 3870 core and not a completely new generation.

I of course wouldn't mind if this gpu was that strong though Hopefully is will be...


Jason

 

[ghost recon88]

Even those these are fake, this core probably will beat the 9800GX2. Sorry to the small handful of people that went out and bought a 9800GX2, but the rest of the world is against you in hoping this card smokes it.

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Even those these are fake, this core probably will beat the 9800GX2. Sorry to the small handful of people that went out and bought a 9800GX2, but the rest of the world is against you in hoping this card smokes it.

Agreed. The 4XXX series looks like it'll be a monster in the high end. New architecture and absolutely outrageous clocks.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Crysis cpu dependent on a Q9650 at high and very high settings? The benchmarks are quite possibly BS, but I don't follow your logic here.

They had more then Crysis numbers and even looking at those the more CPU limited the setting, the faster the 4800 was in relative terms. As far as Crysis being CPU limited at Very High Settings, yes, that is exactly what I am saying about the GX2-

We see more than a 50% performance improvement per percent increase in CPU clock speed; a 25% clock speed increase netted us more than half that in real performance under Very High Quality settings. We saw less than 50% improvement at lower res for High Quality plus Very High Shaders until we hit 1920x1200, which netted us a 15% gain on a 25% increase in clock speed.

This indicates that the higher the graphical quality, the MORE CPU bound we are. Crazy isn?t it? It's counter-intuitive, but pure fact. In speaking with NVIDIA about this (they have helped us a lot in understanding some of our issues here), the belief is that more accurate and higher quality physics at higher graphical quality settings is what causes this overhead. Also, keep in mind that we are testing in a timedemo with AI disabled.

Link.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: formulav8
If this gpu isn't the x2 at least then being valid. A single gpu against two gpus based on the fastest cores available today would really need to be a monster. Especially since the specs thus far shows this new GPU being more of a upgrade of the 3870 core and not a completely new generation.

I of course wouldn't mind if this gpu was that strong though Hopefully is will be...


Jason

Agreed.. the only time that happened is with 8800gtx vs 2 7900gtx.. and that is because 7900gtx wasn't all that fast..

 

[Avalon]

Not sure if those benches are indeed reasonable. Assuming the 4870 is 2x as fast as a 3870, that would place it somewhere in between the 3870X2 and the 9800GX2. I'd probably call it 20% behind, not 20% ahead. We'll see. It's May, so more benches should start leaking soon.