ATi 5850/5870 review thread

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: akugami

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
You're lucky we have forum rules...

Don't go calling ppl fanboys because Mr pot...meet the kettle

You don't know me. And you weren't being spoken to.

Though since you chimed in for Mr. Player, you should know that the 295, which does in cases get beaten by a mere single 5870.. is not a "single video card".

It's a dual PCB solution. SLI on a stick. It acts as SLI does.
The 5870 is a single PCB. It acts as any non-SLI/Crossfire card would.

The fact the 5870 is matching or beating the 295 is sadness for Nvidia at this point. That means without the G300, they have nothing.

It may not be a single GPU video card but it is a single video card. That's almost like claiming a dual or quad core CPU is not a single CPU.

The fact that a previous generation video card solution from nVidia matches up well (loses some, wins some) against the current top video card from ATI bodes well for nVidia. Remember that nVidia has not released their GT300's yet. Granted ATI still has the inevitable 5870x2 coming out and maybe a 5890 as well. Given performance between the GTX 295 and 5870 are in the same rough range, they'll have to compete on price and that's where I think the 5870 has the real advantage as it's almost impossible not to have a price advantage when making a single GPU card due to only needing one GPU and presumably a simpler PCB with less layers.

With all this competition, if anyone is a winner, it's consumers.

It is a single video card. But the 295 is a MultiGPU solution, which means it has all the pitfalls of a multiGPU solution. That being the case, if we do a comparison of single GPU solutions vs single GPU solutions, and multiGPU solutions vs multiGPU solutions.. we have this

Geforce 285 < Radeon 5870
Geforce 295 < Crossfire Radeon 5870s

The aim of the diehard Nvidia people in attempt to paint the 295 as competition to the single 5870 is absolutely insane.

It's downright dishonest, and anyone making the claim is either a shill for Nvidia's marketing or very confused by Nvidia's marketing.

No one will admit it now, besides those of us with no connections to either company, but this another 9700 Pro. Once Nvidia is back on top someday, Nvidia's focus team will admit it. But today, that means sacrificing many sales to admit such a thing.

I'm shocked people are not saying "well the 295 has more marketshare, so it's clearly the better product" That's almost the degree of lunacy going on here.

Yeah but then people tried to compared 4870x2 against GTX285. People are going to compare whatever long as you can fit into a single slot.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Azn

Yeah but then people tried to compared 4870x2 against GTX285. People are going to compare whatever long as you can fit into a single slot.

That is silly. The only meaningful guide is the price tag, nothing else - this is the only valid base for comparison.

Based on price 295 is overpriced and slow and as soon as a ~$500 5870x2 arrives NV has to mark it down to be able to sell a single piece of it but then there'll be the ~$380-400 5850X2 which will still mop the floor with it...


...it does not look good for NV in the last quarter, especially with Christmas in it, that's for sure.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: Azn

Yeah but then people tried to compared 4870x2 against GTX285. People are going to compare whatever long as you can fit into a single slot.

That is silly. The only meaningful guide is the price tag, nothing else - this is the only valid base for comparison.

Based on price 295 is overpriced and slow and as soon as a ~$500 5870x2 arrives NV has to mark it down to be able to sell a single piece of it but then there'll be the ~$380-400 5850X2 which will still mop the floor with it...


...it does not look good for NV in the last quarter, especially with Christmas in it, that's for sure.

People can be silly but what can you do? They are going to compare it anyways because it can fit into their single PCI-E slot mobo. I've seen them compare it when 4870x2 was released to gtx285 now 5870 vs 4870x2 and GTX295.

With video cards performance dictate price in the market not the other way around. Nvidia will have to drop the price for GTX295 and I'm sure they know it.

You got that right about Nvidia being in trouble. If GT300 doesn't perform considerably faster than 5870 they are looking at losing more market share and digging into their pockets again like GT200 did. I'm doubting Nvidia can make a gx2 version of GT300 as it will probably be big and power hungry so no competition for 5870x2.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: Shaq
waa? The 295 is fine and is Nvidia's closest competitor to the 5870 and it looks to be a bit faster.
And many people prefer Nvidia to ATI. Some prefer Coke over Pepsi, Levi's over Wrangler. etc. Who cares? Buy what you like.

It's the closest competitor, but the real competition is Nvidia's single core chips that don't have SLI complications, just as the 5870 doesn't have Crossfire complications.

The fact that the 295, which is an absolute beast of a card and always been an amazing performer.. is the 5870s closest competitor is an amazing accomplishment for ATI and a big disappointment for NV. There's no way in hell comparing a multiGPU solution to a single GPU solution is fair to AMD at all.

Now, people might have done so in the past. I don't care. It's not fair any way you slice it.

The only fair comparison that would be right to do, is Crossfire 5870s vs the 295.. or two 285s in SLI.. whatever. All multiGPU solutions have similar pitfalls, thus it's not like bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.

I will be saying the same thing when the 5870X2 card demolishes everything Nvidia releases in the 300 lineup.. which you know they'll tweak that card out to whatever is necessary to rain all over Nvidia's launch. I've never promoted the 4870X2, and never will.

SLI/Crossfire are like a beautiful woman. Great to look at, but you don't really want to buy the hottest woman on the block as they are a lot more trouble to live with everyday.

When you can get an amazingly hot woman (5870) with none of the complexities of the other hot women (295/SLI/Crossfire) and at a cheaper price.. the answer is clear.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
The fact that the 295, which is an absolute beast of a card and always been an amazing performer.. is the 5870s closest competitor is an amazing accomplishment for ATI and a big disappointment for NV. There's no way in hell comparing a multiGPU solution to a single GPU solution is fair to AMD at all.

I'd say if they are similarly priced (not the case in this instance since the 5870 is $100 cheaper) and perform about the same they should be compared regardless if it's multigpu or not. However, the pitfalls of multigpu should also be taken into account when someone is actually purchasing said card.

 

[alcoholbob]

I noticed that the 5870 cannot take screenprints in-game whereas GT200 did not have this problem. A bit annoying since screenprints provide you with in-game framerate readings.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
The fact that the 295, which is an absolute beast of a card and always been an amazing performer.. is the 5870s closest competitor is an amazing accomplishment for ATI and a big disappointment for NV. There's no way in hell comparing a multiGPU solution to a single GPU solution is fair to AMD at all.

I'd say if they are similarly priced (not the case in this instance since the 5870 is $100 cheaper) and perform about the same they should be compared regardless if it's multigpu or not. However, the pitfalls of multigpu should also be taken into account when someone is actually purchasing said card.

Agreed 100%. Multigpu is pretty darn mature nowadays. I consider it a perfectly legitimate comparison. The GTX295 is faster than the 5870 overall. The GTX295 being multi-gpu doesn't take much away from that victory. Just ask some of the more experienced members here who have a modern multi-gpu and they'll tell you. Most of the people talking about problems with them have not used them or have not used them for a long time and are giving their opinions based on old information. I'm not saying problems don't still exist, but they are far less common than they used to be.

 

[Narynan]

Yeah, for that one frame, and thats is no way a good indication as to what your actually getting average.

Try Fraps or something similar.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: Shaq
waa? The 295 is fine and is Nvidia's closest competitor to the 5870 and it looks to be a bit faster.
And many people prefer Nvidia to ATI. Some prefer Coke over Pepsi, Levi's over Wrangler. etc. Who cares? Buy what you like.

It's the closest competitor, but the real competition is Nvidia's single core chips that don't have SLI complications, just as the 5870 doesn't have Crossfire complications.

The fact that the 295, which is an absolute beast of a card and always been an amazing performer.. is the 5870s closest competitor is an amazing accomplishment for ATI and a big disappointment for NV. There's no way in hell comparing a multiGPU solution to a single GPU solution is fair to AMD at all.

Now, people might have done so in the past. I don't care. It's not fair any way you slice it.

The only fair comparison that would be right to do, is Crossfire 5870s vs the 295.. or two 285s in SLI.. whatever. All multiGPU solutions have similar pitfalls, thus it's not like bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.

I will be saying the same thing when the 5870X2 card demolishes everything Nvidia releases in the 300 lineup.. which you know they'll tweak that card out to whatever is necessary to rain all over Nvidia's launch. I've never promoted the 4870X2, and never will.

SLI/Crossfire are like a beautiful woman. Great to look at, but you don't really want to buy the hottest woman on the block as they are a lot more trouble to live with everyday.

When you can get an amazingly hot woman (5870) with none of the complexities of the other hot women (295/SLI/Crossfire) and at a cheaper price.. the answer is clear.

I can understand your argument here. But what I don't understand is you going on about "fairness" to AMD. You think it is "unfair" to compare a single GPU 5870 to a Dual GPU GTX295. Yet you
think it's perfectly fine to compare a 5870 to a GTX285. ATI's current gen single GPU to Nvidia's last gen single GPU. So the only situations that are "fair" to you, are the ones that show ATI's latest
in the best possible light. 5870 is a really nice GPU. Powerful. Priced decently. But it's no 9700pro or G80. Not by a few miles. And for you to discount GTX295 as it's current direct competition because it's a multi-GPU card, is silly. Echoing what dguy just said one or two posts up. CF and SLI have come a long way. Truly, I can only speak from experience with SLI. The "pitfalls" you speak of are pretty rare these days. Few and far between. And about price/performance? All Nvidia should need to do at this point, is adjust pricing. This is normal when any new gen is released. Last gen cards pricing usually lowers, or cards are discontinued (4870x2). As a last gen flagship, the GTX295 was priced where it should have been. A new price adjustment for the GTX295 could be anywhere from 7% to 11% higher than a 5870 to correspond to it's overall performance lead over said 5870. Which means it should drop to about 405.00 to 420.00.

So, discount the GTX295 if you will. But that's not going to make it go away. :::shrugs::: Sorry.

 

[MrK6]

I don't think most comparisons are "fair," but the cards are there and they will be made. I still sold my GTX295 to get a 5870 and so far I haven't seen anything to make me regret this decision. The 5870 is sitting on my desk at home right now (medical school is a bitch), but I will be posting an in-depth analysis of the 5870 tonight and throughout most of this weekend comparing it to the GTX295.

 

[nyker96]

I'm just venturing a guess here but if we look at 5870 OC results it seems that card can do about 900-950//1300 on DDR5. If means the upcoming 5850 can be an excellent OCer. considering it start at 725/1000. I think manufacture might use same DDR5 chips with it. allowing a good OC headroom, of course the GPU will be lower binned, see how that plays out. if it can do 850//1200 would put this card incredibly close to the big bro. valuewise just excellent. besides both uses 2x6pin so 5850 has enough juice for any OC purpose here. can't wait to see how 5850 OCs.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

I will be saying the same thing when the 5870X2 card demolishes everything Nvidia releases in the 300 lineup.. which you know they'll tweak that card out to whatever is necessary to rain all over Nvidia's launch. I've never promoted the 4870X2, and never will.

SLI/Crossfire are like a beautiful woman. Great to look at, but you don't really want to buy the hottest woman on the block as they are a lot more trouble to live with everyday.

When you can get an amazingly hot woman (5870) with none of the complexities of the other hot women (295/SLI/Crossfire) and at a cheaper price.. the answer is clear.

You are confusing dual-chip solutions with dual-card solutions and that makes no sense. A 4850X2, 4870X2 or 5870X2 is a much more probable setup for many people than a true CF or SLI setup. One slot but dual performance for less than the price of a CF/SLI duo.

Also there's no complexity whatsoever - you obviously have never tried any X2 if you claim any "complexity", there's no such thing.

X2's are absolutely great solutions: they get to save money on unnecessary component doubling and some of it they can pass it on to you yt you get the CF/SLI performance without getting into bridging cards, let alone a more expensive mobo for more PCIe x16 (well, I run a Maximus Formula SE anyway but I have a BMD Intensity Pro, a PhysX PCI etc. )

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: Azn

Yeah but then people tried to compared 4870x2 against GTX285. People are going to compare whatever long as you can fit into a single slot.

That is silly. The only meaningful guide is the price tag, nothing else - this is the only valid base for comparison.

Based on price 295 is overpriced and slow and as soon as a ~$500 5870x2 arrives NV has to mark it down to be able to sell a single piece of it but then there'll be the ~$380-400 5850X2 which will still mop the floor with it...


...it does not look good for NV in the last quarter, especially with Christmas in it, that's for sure.

People can be silly but what can you do? They are going to compare it anyways because it can fit into their single PCI-E slot mobo. I've seen them compare it when 4870x2 was released to gtx285 now 5870 vs 4870x2 and GTX295.

With video cards performance dictate price in the market not the other way around. Nvidia will have to drop the price for GTX295 and I'm sure they know it.

You got that right about Nvidia being in trouble. If GT300 doesn't perform considerably faster than 5870 they are looking at losing more market share and digging into their pockets again like GT200 did. I'm doubting Nvidia can make a gx2 version of GT300 as it will probably be big and power hungry so no competition for 5870x2.

Well, all they can do is compete on pricing - but then again, who wants to lose money on its products?

I always said and am still saying: the only valid base comparison is the price because this is the #1 factor in your purchasing decision, everything else comes after.
If you don't want to spend more than $300 then you will compare cards priced up to $300 and that means bad news for Nvidia (I just realized you can get a 4870X2 2GB around $300!)
If you have a $400 budget it still bad news for Nvidia and so on... it was tight for NV even before 5800-series but no it's pretty much a nightmare, 5800s pushing down the price of 4890 and 4870X2 even further and this won't stop 'til they release something competitive or mark down their entire lineup - both news will be horrible for their revenues and it's happening right during the quarter with the strongest demand, the Christmas season.
Dark days ahead for NV - just watch the price tags, that should tell you everything, nothing else matters.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Nvidia should lower the 295's to around $300 and I would seriously consider buying one. If they keep them around $400 they can just keep 'em and I'll wait for 5800's to come down in price.

Their are some serious nvidia fanboys on here. You cant compare a dual card (295) to a single (5870). What about heat and power draw? I'd rather have the cooler card that draws less power anyday. I'm a nvidia fan but they seriously have had their asses handed to them.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Agreed 100%. Multigpu is pretty darn mature nowadays. I consider it a perfectly legitimate comparison. The GTX295 is faster than the 5870 overall. The GTX295 being multi-gpu doesn't take much away from that victory.

I can?t say I agree there. To me SLI/CF competes in a different space to single cards because it?s inherently different with how it operates.

As for the GTX295, there are plenty of instances where it scores zero at 2560x1600 with 4xAA/8xAA because it runs out of VRAM: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...n-hd-5870,2422-12.html

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Agreed 100%. Multigpu is pretty darn mature nowadays. I consider it a perfectly legitimate comparison. The GTX295 is faster than the 5870 overall. The GTX295 being multi-gpu doesn't take much away from that victory.

I can?t say I agree there. To me SLI/CF competes in a different space to single cards because it?s inherently different with how it operates.

As for the GTX295, there are plenty of instances where it scores zero at 2560x1600 with 4xAA/8xAA because it runs out of VRAM: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...n-hd-5870,2422-12.html

Yes this is a good point, so to say "the gtx295 is faster than the 5870" really depends on your situation. You could be on a 22" monitor and have 160 fps in L4D on the 295 and 140 fps on the 5870, and say, "yes the 295 > 5870". On the other hand you could be on a 24" or 30" using high levels of AA and have 0-5fps or a crash on the 295, and 50 fps on the 5870, and say, "5870 > 295". So it depends on the situation you're in for which judgement call to make.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Agreed 100%. Multigpu is pretty darn mature nowadays. I consider it a perfectly legitimate comparison. The GTX295 is faster than the 5870 overall. The GTX295 being multi-gpu doesn't take much away from that victory.

I can?t say I agree there. To me SLI/CF competes in a different space to single cards because it?s inherently different with how it operates.

As for the GTX295, there are plenty of instances where it scores zero at 2560x1600 with 4xAA/8xAA because it runs out of VRAM: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...n-hd-5870,2422-12.html

Wow, what a difference 128MB more of vram can make. I guess that means that would indicate that those 1GB cards don't have much room to spare. Makes me wonder how well a 1GB card would fare when trying to use multiple monitors and gaming on 7680x1600...

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: akugami

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
You're lucky we have forum rules...

Don't go calling ppl fanboys because Mr pot...meet the kettle

You don't know me. And you weren't being spoken to.

Though since you chimed in for Mr. Player, you should know that the 295, which does in cases get beaten by a mere single 5870.. is not a "single video card".

It's a dual PCB solution. SLI on a stick. It acts as SLI does.
The 5870 is a single PCB. It acts as any non-SLI/Crossfire card would.

The fact the 5870 is matching or beating the 295 is sadness for Nvidia at this point. That means without the G300, they have nothing.

It may not be a single GPU video card but it is a single video card. That's almost like claiming a dual or quad core CPU is not a single CPU.

The fact that a previous generation video card solution from nVidia matches up well (loses some, wins some) against the current top video card from ATI bodes well for nVidia. Remember that nVidia has not released their GT300's yet. Granted ATI still has the inevitable 5870x2 coming out and maybe a 5890 as well. Given performance between the GTX 295 and 5870 are in the same rough range, they'll have to compete on price and that's where I think the 5870 has the real advantage as it's almost impossible not to have a price advantage when making a single GPU card due to only needing one GPU and presumably a simpler PCB with less layers.

With all this competition, if anyone is a winner, it's consumers.

It is a single video card. But the 295 is a MultiGPU solution, which means it has all the pitfalls of a multiGPU solution. That being the case, if we do a comparison of single GPU solutions vs single GPU solutions, and multiGPU solutions vs multiGPU solutions.. we have this

Geforce 285 < Radeon 5870
Geforce 295 < Crossfire Radeon 5870s

The aim of the diehard Nvidia people in attempt to paint the 295 as competition to the single 5870 is absolutely insane.

It's downright dishonest, and anyone making the claim is either a shill for Nvidia's marketing or very confused by Nvidia's marketing.

No one will admit it now, besides those of us with no connections to either company, but this another 9700 Pro. Once Nvidia is back on top someday, Nvidia's focus team will admit it. But today, that means sacrificing many sales to admit such a thing.

I'm shocked people are not saying "well the 295 has more marketshare, so it's clearly the better product" That's almost the degree of lunacy going on here.

um, how is it dishonest to compare a $450 card with slightly better performance in most cases to a $379 card that has some advantages? Don't get me wrong, I personally would not purchase a gtx 295 today for $80 more than a 5870, but I think that some people would. What if you're a diehard nvidia fan? What if you run DC and like the cuda? What if you have a few games with nice physix effects and you're excited about getting dragon age in a few months? I still think that the strengths of 5870 far outweigh the strengths of gtx 295, not least being that driver support invariably improves over time for new cards, but you are foolish to make this into an "ATI vs THE EVIL FOCUS GROUP" discussion.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Agreed 100%. Multigpu is pretty darn mature nowadays. I consider it a perfectly legitimate comparison. The GTX295 is faster than the 5870 overall. The GTX295 being multi-gpu doesn't take much away from that victory.

I can?t say I agree there. To me SLI/CF competes in a different space to single cards because it?s inherently different with how it operates.

As for the GTX295, there are plenty of instances where it scores zero at 2560x1600 with 4xAA/8xAA because it runs out of VRAM: http://www.tomshardware.com/re...n-hd-5870,2422-12.html

Wow, what a difference 128MB more of vram can make. I guess that means that would indicate that those 1GB cards don't have much room to spare. Makes me wonder how well a 1GB card would fare when trying to use multiple monitors and gaming on 7680x1600...

FYI even in 1920x1200 you get a lot more headroom with 2GB hence I never considered buying the cheaper 1GB version of my 4850X2 2GB - look at these Far Cry 2 (1920) or Fallout 3 (2560) numbers: http://www.hardocp.com/article...adeon_hd_4850_x2_2gb/9

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: Shaq
waa? The 295 is fine and is Nvidia's closest competitor to the 5870 and it looks to be a bit faster.
And many people prefer Nvidia to ATI. Some prefer Coke over Pepsi, Levi's over Wrangler. etc. Who cares? Buy what you like.

It's the closest competitor, but the real competition is Nvidia's single core chips that don't have SLI complications, just as the 5870 doesn't have Crossfire complications.

The fact that the 295, which is an absolute beast of a card and always been an amazing performer.. is the 5870s closest competitor is an amazing accomplishment for ATI and a big disappointment for NV. There's no way in hell comparing a multiGPU solution to a single GPU solution is fair to AMD at all.

Now, people might have done so in the past. I don't care. It's not fair any way you slice it.

The only fair comparison that would be right to do, is Crossfire 5870s vs the 295.. or two 285s in SLI.. whatever. All multiGPU solutions have similar pitfalls, thus it's not like bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.

I will be saying the same thing when the 5870X2 card demolishes everything Nvidia releases in the 300 lineup.. which you know they'll tweak that card out to whatever is necessary to rain all over Nvidia's launch. I've never promoted the 4870X2, and never will.

SLI/Crossfire are like a beautiful woman. Great to look at, but you don't really want to buy the hottest woman on the block as they are a lot more trouble to live with everyday.

When you can get an amazingly hot woman (5870) with none of the complexities of the other hot women (295/SLI/Crossfire) and at a cheaper price.. the answer is clear.

I can understand your argument here. But what I don't understand is you going on about "fairness" to AMD. You think it is "unfair" to compare a single GPU 5870 to a Dual GPU GTX295. Yet you
think it's perfectly fine to compare a 5870 to a GTX285. ATI's current gen single GPU to Nvidia's last gen single GPU. So the only situations that are "fair" to you, are the ones that show ATI's latest
in the best possible light. 5870 is a really nice GPU. Powerful. Priced decently. But it's no 9700pro or G80. Not by a few miles. And for you to discount GTX295 as it's current direct competition because it's a multi-GPU card, is silly. Echoing what dguy just said one or two posts up. CF and SLI have come a long way. Truly, I can only speak from experience with SLI. The "pitfalls" you speak of are pretty rare these days. Few and far between. And about price/performance? All Nvidia should need to do at this point, is adjust pricing. This is normal when any new gen is released. Last gen cards pricing usually lowers, or cards are discontinued (4870x2). As a last gen flagship, the GTX295 was priced where it should have been. A new price adjustment for the GTX295 could be anywhere from 7% to 11% higher than a 5870 to correspond to it's overall performance lead over said 5870. Which means it should drop to about 405.00 to 420.00.

So, discount the GTX295 if you will. But that's not going to make it go away. :::shrugs::: Sorry.

I agree with most of this, but I don't agree with your statement that "It's no 9700pro or g80". I don't THINK that it will be either of those, but we won't know for sure until we see how nvidia responds. (if you have inside info we're all ears ) If nvidia has a very late and significantly slower gt300 response then 5xxx will go down as a badass. If nvidia pulls a rabbit out of the hat and releases a 40% faster gtx 380 before xmas then we'll all be laughing at this speculation in two months.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: T2k

FYI even in 1920x1200 you get a lot more headroom with 2GB hence I never considered buying the cheaper 1GB version of my 4850X2 2GB - look at these Far Cry 2 (1920) or Fallout 3 (2560) numbers: http://www.hardocp.com/article...adeon_hd_4850_x2_2gb/9

That card is really only 1 GB and will start falling over compared to real 2 GB cards when content exceeds 1 GB. This is exactly where the GTX295 is now with respect to 896 MB compared to real 1 GB cards, and is yet another example of how CF/SLI is less robust than single parts.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: happy medium
...

um, yeah. gt 300 is shipping in late oct/early nov. so in 30-45 days, gt 300 is going to be on newegg. If that is the case, then why didn't nvidia leak some killer benchmarks to rain on ati's parade????? Why aren't they talking this up like there's no tomorrow???? Is it because gt300 sucks, or is it because gt300 is going to be later than you think? Sorry, but jen hsun is a marketing badass, and he's got some great guys working for him. If gt300 were just around the corner and was going to beat up on 5xxx then they would be screaming it at the top of their lungs right now. Sad to say, but we'd better get used to 379/259 for, at BEST, the next few months, and at worst a whole lot longer than that.

Links to any industry people predicting October? My guess is right before Xmas if it is Q4.

happy medium predicted oct/nov in his post.

Is this the same dude who didn't know what display resolution means...?

I know what display resolution is just had no experience with large LCD TV's and muti monitor setups.

Hmmm .... by the looks of theses acticles I'm not as dum as you pointed me out to be. Seems we wil see gt300 before Thanksgiving.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15688/1/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15689/1/

For my next prediction I'm gonna say it will be 16/25%(depending on the game) faster then the 5870 @2560x1600 8xaa. I aslo predict that certain reviewers will be testing the cards soon and leaks of benchmarks will start in about 3/4 weeks.

As for price? gtx380 429.00$, gtx360 350$ and will compare to 5870's performance.

Where am I getting these numbers from? Well I'm not psychic. The "can of woop ass" is imminent.
I'm hoping for a price war.

Edit: Had to check my crystal ball (calculator) and change some things.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: happy medium
...

um, yeah. gt 300 is shipping in late oct/early nov. so in 30-45 days, gt 300 is going to be on newegg. If that is the case, then why didn't nvidia leak some killer benchmarks to rain on ati's parade????? Why aren't they talking this up like there's no tomorrow???? Is it because gt300 sucks, or is it because gt300 is going to be later than you think? Sorry, but jen hsun is a marketing badass, and he's got some great guys working for him. If gt300 were just around the corner and was going to beat up on 5xxx then they would be screaming it at the top of their lungs right now. Sad to say, but we'd better get used to 379/259 for, at BEST, the next few months, and at worst a whole lot longer than that.

I never said Early November. You'll know how fast it is by the Windows 7 launch (late Oct.) and be able to buy one by Black Friday (late Nov.). Better?

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: T2k
Mark my words: whoever thinks Nv will be shipping GT300 anytime before January is fooling himself.

Seems more people then just me know you are wrong. As per my prior posts.
The only person that fooling himself is you.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: T2k
Mark my words: whoever thinks Nv will be shipping GT300 anytime before January is fooling himself.

Seems more people then just me know you are wrong. As per my prior posts.
The only person that fooling himself is you.

Some of these last few posts may be interesting to come back to in the future. :laugh: