Originally posted by: T2k
Sapphire is a huge OEM cardmaker, even Built by ATI cards were Sapphire ever since they stopped making cards (though they still have their little card fab up in the White North.) And ASUS and Gigabytes were and are part of the Big 5 - ATI always had high quality vendors, I have no idea what are you talking about.
Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
If Nvidia gets an engineering team better than ATI's.. I'll be buying Nvidia no doubt.
sure you will... did you buy an 8800gtx when it was so clearly superior to ati's offerings? 8800gt? If you did, then why are you so clearly favoring ati in your posts and going nuclear on people who favor nvidia?
@nemesis: be at peace my friend. You will find true happiness through meditation. A pinch in time saves nine. Chuch norris can kill two stones with one bird.
I'm ready for your written apology. Yes, I bought a 8800GTX on launch day for $650.
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not sure that I owe you a written apology. You must have missed the part where I said "if you did, then why are you so clearly favoring ati in your posts and going nuclear on people who favor nvidia?" Are you just looking for a fight?
[/quote]Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I used to think that evga, bfg, and xfx were a big advantage for nvidia since they were the consensus top 3,
By who? Probably by people who don't have a clue about them - eVGA is not even a manufacturer, it's only a brand, swapped on OEM cards made by Jetway. BFG is the same thing, a logo on Foxconn-made cards IIRC.
XFX is at least a brand of Pine Group, a decent OEM so at least they mfr thus control their own chain.
but now that xfx is going both ways, VT is strong, plus asus, gigabyte, sapphire, his, etc you have a lot of decent choices with ati as well.
Sapphire is a huge OEM cardmaker, even Built by ATI cards were Sapphire ever since they stopped making cards (though they still have their little card fab up in the White North.) And ASUS and Gigabytes were and are part of the Big 5 - ATI always had high quality vendors, I have no idea what are you talking about.
Originally posted by: lopri
7950 GX2 vs. 8800 GTX
9800 GX2 vs. GTX 280
HD 3870 X2 vs. HD 4890
And now,
GTX 295 vs. HD 5870
Are these really such a difficult choice? I'm very confused.
Edit: I mean, I thought it was a settled wisdom that one should go for the best single-GPU card that s/he can afford before considering multi-GPU configurations.
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I used to think that evga, bfg, and xfx were a big advantage for nvidia since they were the consensus top 3, but now that xfx is going both ways, VT is strong, plus asus, gigabyte, sapphire, his, etc you have a lot of decent choices with ati as well.
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
not sure that I owe you a written apology. You must have missed the part where I said "if you did, then why are you so clearly favoring ati in your posts and going nuclear on people who favor nvidia?" Are you just looking for a fight?
Originally posted by: scooterlibby
Also, I realize that product differentiation through marketing gives the illusion of different choices for the same product, but EVGA does offer top notch service and no one else does Step Up.
Originally posted by: Shaq
It wasn't about high profile. It was about lifetime warranties which, most if not all,
ATI brands lacked not to mention step up opportunities.
That is how they got their brand recognition.
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
ah, I see that shaq beat me to the punch.
Originally posted by: scooterlibby
Also, I realize that product differentiation through marketing gives the illusion of different choices for the same product, but EVGA does offer top notch service and no one else does Step Up.
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
good one, $50 is the same thing as a trade up program... I'll give you $50 for your 4890, how's that sound?
The step up prgram is not "bs marketing", it is very smart. It gets people to buy more of their cards because when the next gen rumors start going hot and heavy their sales won't slump as much. Why fear purchasing a gtx 285 if you know that gtx 380 will be out in 45 days and you'll get 100% credit for the 285?
Also, every ati vendor except VT went to a one year warranty several years ago. You are correct that 3 years is pretty good, but one year sucks.
edit: that was why xfx going both ways was such a big deal, it gave customers worried about warranty support a viable alternative to VT. Nothing wrong with VT, but it's nice to have choice, no?
Originally posted by: Shaq
LOL $50. If you buy the fastest cards available you would have to keep it for at least 3 years before it would be worth it. That sounds more like BS to me if it is never going to be used. Many, many people use step up. And you can get the newest card after a short delay. Step Up, like bryan said, gives you the full value you paid for the card. Shipping is no problem because if you buy a card right before a new card comes out the value could be cut in half overnight so the cost of shipping is worth it. If you want to pay $40 or so you can get a new card overnight if your current one breaks but you have to pay when you register the card unfortunately. I always sell my cards before I use any of these services but it's a plus that they're there if I need them. EVGA cards have a better resale value also because of the "BS marketing".
And who cares if they actually manufacture anything? A warranty is a warranty. They can make funnel cakes for all I care if their warranties are honored.
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: Shaq
LOL $50. If you buy the fastest cards available you would have to keep it for at least 3 years before it would be worth it. That sounds more like BS to me if it is never going to be used. Many, many people use step up. And you can get the newest card after a short delay. Step Up, like bryan said, gives you the full value you paid for the card. Shipping is no problem because if you buy a card right before a new card comes out the value could be cut in half overnight so the cost of shipping is worth it. If you want to pay $40 or so you can get a new card overnight if your current one breaks but you have to pay when you register the card unfortunately. I always sell my cards before I use any of these services but it's a plus that they're there if I need them. EVGA cards have a better resale value also because of the "BS marketing".
And who cares if they actually manufacture anything? A warranty is a warranty. They can make funnel cakes for all I care if their warranties are honored.
Oh well... all is right in Wonderland, I can tell that.
Originally posted by: dguy6789
To me, step up is similar to selling your games back to Gamestop. You get way way less for the card than it is worth. You can pretty much always get at least twice as much money for the card by selling it to someone than the credit you get for step up.
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: dguy6789
To me, step up is similar to selling your games back to Gamestop. You get way way less for the card than it is worth. You can pretty much always get at least twice as much money for the card by selling it to someone than the credit you get for step up.
You do realize that you get 100% of what you paid for it towards your next card, at least at EVGA?
So I would have to say you are incorrect, unless you think you can get twice as much as you paid for the card.
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: scooterlibby
Also, I realize that product differentiation through marketing gives the illusion of different choices for the same product, but EVGA does offer top notch service and no one else does Step Up.
Can we stop presenting our own (often ignorant) opinions as "facts"?
I don't see what is "top notch" in repairing a 5-year old, ~$20 worth of VGA card for !$30 RMA shipping fee and you're wrong, there were much better "step-up" programs from ATI, not limited to X days owners.
See my post above