ATi 5850/5870 review thread

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
To me, step up is similar to selling your games back to Gamestop. You get way way less for the card than it is worth. You can pretty much always get at least twice as much money for the card by selling it to someone than the credit you get for step up.

Amazing people are allowed to spread FUD like this. :disgust:

http://www.evga.com/stepup/default.asp?switch=3

The Step-Up? Program is free; you are required to pay the difference between your original invoice price, less any applicable rebates, and the price of the new card, plus any applicable tax and shipping. The program itself has no cost associated with it.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: dguy6789
To me, step up is similar to selling your games back to Gamestop. You get way way less for the card than it is worth. You can pretty much always get at least twice as much money for the card by selling it to someone than the credit you get for step up.

You do realize that you get 100% of what you paid for it towards your next card, at least at EVGA?

So I would have to say you are incorrect, unless you think you can get twice as much as you paid for the card.

I was under the impression that you would get ~$100 for a top of the line card towards your new purchase. If you do in fact get exactly what you purchased it for back, then that's fantastic.

that's why I laughed at amd's farce of a "step-up" program. I have seen times when people were able to find the "new" card for, say $50 less money and sell their old card on ebay for about what they paid for it, but those times are very rare (8800gt time frame was the only time I've seen anything like this). Yes, the program is 100% of what you paid for the card in 90 days (evga) or 100 days (bfg), but you have to buy the new card directly from them so you might pay ~ $50 or so more than the "street price" at newegg/zzf/etc.

 

[Relion]

Is there any site with reviews of an actual 5850 ?
I saw the one of the sticky but what they did was downclocking a 5870 to 5850 speeds.



Merged into main thread.

Video Mod BFG10K.

 

[imported_Shaq]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: Shaq
LOL $50. If you buy the fastest cards available you would have to keep it for at least 3 years before it would be worth it. That sounds more like BS to me if it is never going to be used. Many, many people use step up. And you can get the newest card after a short delay. Step Up, like bryan said, gives you the full value you paid for the card. Shipping is no problem because if you buy a card right before a new card comes out the value could be cut in half overnight so the cost of shipping is worth it. If you want to pay $40 or so you can get a new card overnight if your current one breaks but you have to pay when you register the card unfortunately. I always sell my cards before I use any of these services but it's a plus that they're there if I need them. EVGA cards have a better resale value also because of the "BS marketing".

And who cares if they actually manufacture anything? A warranty is a warranty. They can make funnel cakes for all I care if their warranties are honored.

Oh well... all is right in Wonderland, I can tell that.

how is a great program like step up or a lifetime warranty "wonderland"?

Come on Bryan get with the program. He doesn't use it and doesn't see a need for it so we are just a bunch of idiots even though he probably has never even looked up the step up program to see what it is about. And he probably formed that opinion because ATI's step up program was worthless so EVGA's is probably worthless too. lol

 

[T2k]

Amazing when apparently selectively illiterate people make clueless-idiotic and false comments in a very loud manner...

FYI all you semi-illiterate people:

Trade-Up Program

ATI's trade-up program allows you to upgrade your existing video card, no matter who made it.

Source: http://shop.ati.com/tradeup.asp

01. What is the ATI trade-up program?
ATI's trade-up program is a way in which a customer who has an old ATI board that is no longer supported, and those users who have a different brand of graphic card, can upgrade to currently supported ATI technology.

02. Who can participate in this program?
Any resident of the United States of America or Canada, who has an ATI or another manufactures graphics board, who have a valid credit card number and has purchased their new ATI Graphics card directly from ShopATI.

http://shop.ati.com/tradeupfaq.asp

Trade-up form: http://shop.ati.com/Trade_Up_Program_Form.pdf

Translation for the needy: you got $50 off regardless of what card you sent in.

Again I never considered it revolutionary but IMO it was not worse than stucking with a brand that does not even make its own cards.
If you had an old card and wanted a Built by ATI card w/ 3-year warranty, it was nice. Otherwise you could probably sell your old card for more.

 

[Idontcare]

Sigmund Freud would have loved this thread. The roid-rage is strong in this one.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Sigmund Freud would have loved this thread. The roid-rage is strong in this one.

BTW I don' think it's still active, this ATI Trade-up program... my point was originally that they had it long before these brand-only NV companies who were "considered to be the top 3" (ROFL!)

 

[T2k]

http://www.techpowerup.com/rev...eon_HD_5870_CrossFire/

 

[Tempered81]

Little info here:

5850 out tuesday 9/29. Expect about 18% off 5870's performance. Rumour has it, the 5850 has .4ns samsung 5gbs memory (same as the 5870) which should overclock to ~1400mhz @ 1.5v, however arrive stock at 1000mhz. The 5850 has a 24cm PCB, the cooling shroud extends about .5cm beyond that. The fansink is a 3 heatpipe design (one less than the 5870) like the 4890, and almost the same size, 2x6-pin. the price (when not jacked up) is $259-$269, although sadly it's already pre-ordering at $299. The core is the same cypress with 2 SIMD units disabled.

5770 http://i34.tinypic.com/hsrvpl.jpg out later next month, it is exactly half the specs of a 5870 with 1024mb on 128gbit memory bus, 800 shaders, 40 rops, 16tmu. same clocks as 5870 850/1200, Its bandwidth is 76.3GB/sec, compared to 115gb/sec on the 4870, 1x6pin. The PCB is teh same as the 4770 and reference cooler has a single piece memsink, 4 mem ics are on the reverse side, unlike the 4770. < $199.

 

[imported_Salamander]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
Little info here:

5850 out tuesday 9/29. Expect about 18% off 5870's performance. Rumour has it, the 5850 has .4ns samsung 5gbs memory (same as the 5870) which should overclock to ~1400mhz @ 1.5v, however arrive stock at 1000mhz. The 5850 has a 24cm PCB, the cooling shroud extends about .5cm beyond that. The fansink is a 3 heatpipe design (one less than the 5870) like the 4890, and almost the same size, 2x6-pin. the price (when not jacked up) is $259-$269, although sadly it's already pre-ordering at $299. The core is the same cypress with 2 SIMD units disabled.

5770 http://i34.tinypic.com/hsrvpl.jpg out later next month, it is exactly half the specs of a 5870 with 1024mb on 128gbit memory bus, 800 shaders, 40 rops, 16tmu. same clocks as 5870 850/1200, Its bandwidth is 76.3GB/sec, compared to 115gb/sec on the 4870, 1x6pin. The PCB is teh same as the 4770 and reference cooler has a single piece memsink, 4 mem ics are on the reverse side, unlike the 4770. < $199.

How does the 5770 compare to the 4850 in terms of performance? What about power and heat at idle and full load?

 

[Tempered81]

not sure - performance is around 48701GB speed, chip should be cool, it's 1/2 cypress @ 40nm, but depends on coolers efficiency!

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: dguy6789
To me, step up is similar to selling your games back to Gamestop. You get way way less for the card than it is worth. You can pretty much always get at least twice as much money for the card by selling it to someone than the credit you get for step up.

Amazing people are allowed to spread FUD like this. :disgust:

Amazing you're still allowed to post here. Oh the hypocrisy.

edit: Onto the point, what he said wasn't FUD. It was just plain ignorance.

 

[bryanW1995]

hold on, ati's crappy $50 step up program isn't even active any more? why are you even talking about it then??? evga and bfg both currently have a program.

I need some hgh, this is like the tour de france with all the blood doping going on...

 

[imported_Salamander]

I have the Visiontek HD 4850 - stock cooler.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: Salamander

Originally posted by: Tempered81
Little info here:

5850 out tuesday 9/29. Expect about 18% off 5870's performance. Rumour has it, the 5850 has .4ns samsung 5gbs memory (same as the 5870) which should overclock to ~1400mhz @ 1.5v, however arrive stock at 1000mhz. The 5850 has a 24cm PCB, the cooling shroud extends about .5cm beyond that. The fansink is a 3 heatpipe design (one less than the 5870) like the 4890, and almost the same size, 2x6-pin. the price (when not jacked up) is $259-$269, although sadly it's already pre-ordering at $299. The core is the same cypress with 2 SIMD units disabled.

5770 http://i34.tinypic.com/hsrvpl.jpg out later next month, it is exactly half the specs of a 5870 with 1024mb on 128gbit memory bus, 800 shaders, 40 rops, 16tmu. same clocks as 5870 850/1200, Its bandwidth is 76.3GB/sec, compared to 115gb/sec on the 4870, 1x6pin. The PCB is teh same as the 4770 and reference cooler has a single piece memsink, 4 mem ics are on the reverse side, unlike the 4770. < $199.

How does the 5770 compare to the 4850 in terms of performance? What about power and heat at idle and full load?

Based on those specs I would say the 5770 will undoubtedly be faster than 4850. It will probably be faster or as fast as the 4870 except in cases where the memory bandwidth becomes the apparent bottleneck.

The difference between the 4850 and 4870 is basically memory bandwidth along with core clock speed (625 MHz vs. 750), and this results in the 4870 being about 30-35% faster with just a 20% increase in core clock speed.

 

[imported_Shaq]

I thought something was wrong when I saw that forms were available for Sep. '07-Jan. '08 and couldn't find any after that. The program was so great it lasted four months. EVGA has had a step up for at least two years now.

 

[T2k]

Seriously: are you you people for real...?

I said it was running since late 90s IIRC (it was certainly available around 7500) . This was a reply to all these idiotic BS claims about these idiotic BS brands who never made a card but - apparently - became "top 3 brands" among ignorant yet loud NV kids without the slightest freakin' clue what they are talking about.
I also said Built by ATI cards always came with 3 years warranty and I think retail big names too.
All this was in support of my original point that ATI always had quality vendors, it's just people talked - and, apparently, still talk - BS due to ignorance and/ on PR effects.

So again: which part you couldn't comprehend of these very difficult factual statements that still makes you post more farcical comments?

 

[thilanliyan]

This is definitely the card I'm looking forward to see OC results.

 

[scooterlibby]

I was confused, but the bold font cleared things up. Thank you T2k for those bold kernels of wisdom.

 

[scooterlibby]

Meh

 

[Idontcare]

this...of course now if the objective is to just drown the flies and kill them off then I suppose either will serve that purpose just as well.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: T2k
Seriously: are you you people for real...?

I said it was running since late 90s IIRC (it was certainly available around 7500) . This was a reply to all these idiotic BS claims about these idiotic BS brands who never made a card but - apparently - became "top 3 brands" among ignorant yet loud NV kids without the slightest freakin' clue what they are talking about.
I also said Built by ATI cards always came with 3 years warranty and I think retail big names too.
All this was in support of my original point that ATI always had quality vendors, it's just people talked - and, apparently, still talk - BS due to ignorance and/ on PR effects.

So again: which part you couldn't comprehend of these very difficult factual statements that still makes you post more farcical comments?

name ONE ati vendor who has a 3 year warranty TODAY.

 

[srp49ers]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: T2k
Seriously: are you you people for real...?

I said it was running since late 90s IIRC (it was certainly available around 7500) . This was a reply to all these idiotic BS claims about these idiotic BS brands who never made a card but - apparently - became "top 3 brands" among ignorant yet loud NV kids without the slightest freakin' clue what they are talking about.
I also said Built by ATI cards always came with 3 years warranty and I think retail big names too.
All this was in support of my original point that ATI always had quality vendors, it's just people talked - and, apparently, still talk - BS due to ignorance and/ on PR effects.

So again: which part you couldn't comprehend of these very difficult factual statements that still makes you post more farcical comments?

name ONE ati vendor who has a 3 year warranty TODAY.

Asus

 

[Relion]

Originally posted by: T2k
http://www.techpowerup.com/rev...eon_HD_5870_CrossFire/

This is the one I saw where they downclocked a 5870, from the second page:

"We simulated the performance of the HD 5850 by taking our HD 5870, reducing the clock speeds and disabling two SIMDs, which results in exactly the same performance as HD 5850."

 

[Tempered81]

http://www.guru3d.com/news/tom...th-of-september-2009-/