ATi 5850/5870 review thread

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: srp49ers

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: T2k
Seriously: are you you people for real...?

I said it was running since late 90s IIRC (it was certainly available around 7500) . This was a reply to all these idiotic BS claims about these idiotic BS brands who never made a card but - apparently - became "top 3 brands" among ignorant yet loud NV kids without the slightest freakin' clue what they are talking about.
I also said Built by ATI cards always came with 3 years warranty and I think retail big names too.
All this was in support of my original point that ATI always had quality vendors, it's just people talked - and, apparently, still talk - BS due to ignorance and/ on PR effects.

So again: which part you couldn't comprehend of these very difficult factual statements that still makes you post more farcical comments?

name ONE ati vendor who has a 3 year warranty TODAY.

Asus

Gigabyte

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: T2k
Seriously: are you you people for real...?

I said it was running since late 90s IIRC (it was certainly available around 7500) . This was a reply to all these idiotic BS claims about these idiotic BS brands who never made a card but - apparently - became "top 3 brands" among ignorant yet loud NV kids without the slightest freakin' clue what they are talking about.
I also said Built by ATI cards always came with 3 years warranty and I think retail big names too.
All this was in support of my original point that ATI always had quality vendors, it's just people talked - and, apparently, still talk - BS due to ignorance and/ on PR effects.

So again: which part you couldn't comprehend of these very difficult factual statements that still makes you post more farcical comments?

name ONE ati vendor who has a 3 year warranty TODAY.

I already did. When you try to argue with someone at least try to follow his line of reason.

For repeats see posts above this.

PS: Beyond MSI', ASUS' and Gigabyte's 3-year all TUL (formerly known as C.P. Tech) brands (PowerColor, Club3D, Vertex3D, HIS whatever else they use) carry 2-year warranty while XFX and Visiontek provide lifetime warranty.

 

[Red Irish]

I thought this thread was meant to provide information/enable commentary on ATI's new cards. Guess I was wrong. This place is worse than P&N.

Nice cards, all the same.

 

[Relion]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
http://www.guru3d.com/news/tom...th-of-september-2009-/

Thank you !

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: T2k

Which is exactly what I was talking about WRT these "brand-only" companies: no manufacturing background, no operations, nothing but BS marketing - lifetime warranty...

Are you honestly claiming the only difference between EVGA and Jetway is marketing? EVGA has excellent support (this costs money), a better warranty (once again, cost money) and retail relationships which let people buy and return at a local brick&mortar outlet.

That's like saying Ruth's Chris is just marketing over and above the slaughterhouse.

I have RMAd a Sapphire card ("Built by ATI" went to a 1 year warranty in 2006 IIRC, with all partners folowing suit. Good thing my X1800XT crapped out after 11 months, not 13) and also an EVGA card (fan failure). In my case it's undisputed fact that the EVGA experience was not only $15 cheaper, but also 1337% easier and more pleasant. Given my choice of previous ATI partners (Visiontek, Sapphire) and the current crop I'd choose EVGA or XFX over them in a heartbeat. Also, even if you buy a used card on ebay there's always shipping... (mine cost ~$10 through USPS in both instances)

 

[zod96]

I just got my Xfx 5870, and man oh man this card is fricking huge! It just barely fit into my Antec P180B case by like 2 millimeters. I haven't had a chance to power it on yet. I just ran home to see if it would fit in my case without having to remove anything and it did thank god. I've got about 4 more hours at work then Its time to start testing this monster out....

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: T2k

Which is exactly what I was talking about WRT these "brand-only" companies: no manufacturing background, no operations, nothing but BS marketing - lifetime warranty...

Are you honestly claiming the only difference between EVGA and Jetway is marketing? EVGA has excellent support (this costs money), a better warranty (once again, cost money) and retail relationships which let people buy and return at a local brick&mortar outlet.

General comment on quality of different cards. Usually the cheaper OEMs' procure cheaper parts when building their cards. This can lead to vastly different build qualities even though both are built off of the same reference design.

 

[ChaosDivine]

I'm impressed. Not earth-shatteringly so, but still impressed.
Count me out as a buyer though. The 4890 offers too much value at it's after rebate price while still having more than enough performance for all titles out.

 

[ChaosDivine]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
So you're going to pay a 60% (or more, if ATI were to drop prices) premium in price for a 30% increase in performance? Be my guest, friend, be my guest.

I actually applaud darXoul. He gets the absolute performance he wants and at the same time helps to subsidize the cost of cards for broke a*s schmos like myself.

Here's three :beer::beer::beer: for you sir! :thumbsup:

 

[imported_Shaq]

Nvidia cards are generally made by the same company. EVGA,BFG etc. function as service-oriented companies and make more profits by providing better service. It is irrelevant if they make anything. It doesn't matter. And before XFX sold ATI cards there was only one offering a lifetime warranty. V8envy has actual experience dealing with both sides so I would value his input over someone claiming it is "PR". lol They built their reputation by actually providing something of value. They didn't buy it with fancy marketing. But enough talk about this.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: akugami
General comment on quality of different cards. Usually the cheaper OEMs' procure cheaper parts when building their cards. This can lead to vastly different build qualities even though both are built off of the same reference design.

Not having worked in this particular industry I won't argue. But in the industry I did work in, lowest cost suppliers typically created problems by not having very robust QA procedures, with glitches in the assembly line causing long runs of defective (DOA) product. Not from arbitrary substitution of junk materials. We got to specify requirements for components used in assembly. As long as the materials met those requirements (including MTBF rating) their purchasing cost was not our concern.

So if EVGA and XFX are targeting a multi-year year warranty period it seems likely they'd specify for a 2000+ hour MTBF. A vendor with only a 12 month warranty exposure has much more leeway in cutting costs.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: srp49ers

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: T2k
Seriously: are you you people for real...?

I said it was running since late 90s IIRC (it was certainly available around 7500) . This was a reply to all these idiotic BS claims about these idiotic BS brands who never made a card but - apparently - became "top 3 brands" among ignorant yet loud NV kids without the slightest freakin' clue what they are talking about.
I also said Built by ATI cards always came with 3 years warranty and I think retail big names too.
All this was in support of my original point that ATI always had quality vendors, it's just people talked - and, apparently, still talk - BS due to ignorance and/ on PR effects.

So again: which part you couldn't comprehend of these very difficult factual statements that still makes you post more farcical comments?

name ONE ati vendor who has a 3 year warranty TODAY.

Asus

Gigabyte

whoops, meant ati exclusive, sorry. :embarrassed;

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: T2k

Which is exactly what I was talking about WRT these "brand-only" companies: no manufacturing background, no operations, nothing but BS marketing - lifetime warranty...

Are you honestly claiming the only difference between EVGA and Jetway is marketing? EVGA has excellent support (this costs money), a better warranty (once again, cost money) and retail relationships which let people buy and return at a local brick&mortar outlet.

That's like saying Ruth's Chris is just marketing over and above the slaughterhouse.

I have RMAd a Sapphire card ("Built by ATI" went to a 1 year warranty in 2006 IIRC, with all partners folowing suit. Good thing my X1800XT crapped out after 11 months, not 13) and also an EVGA card (fan failure). In my case it's undisputed fact that the EVGA experience was not only $15 cheaper, but also 1337% easier and more pleasant. Given my choice of previous ATI partners (Visiontek, Sapphire) and the current crop I'd choose EVGA or XFX over them in a heartbeat. Also, even if you buy a used card on ebay there's always shipping... (mine cost ~$10 through USPS in both instances)

don't evga and bfg also cover modifications to the cards? xfx might, too, though I don't know about them.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: T2k

I have RMAd a Sapphire card ("Built by ATI" went to a 1 year warranty in 2006 IIRC, with all partners folowing suit.

Built by ATI *OR* Sapphire?

BBA was 3-year AFAIK.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: T2k
Seriously: are you you people for real...?

I said it was running since late 90s IIRC (it was certainly available around 7500) . This was a reply to all these idiotic BS claims about these idiotic BS brands who never made a card but - apparently - became "top 3 brands" among ignorant yet loud NV kids without the slightest freakin' clue what they are talking about.
I also said Built by ATI cards always came with 3 years warranty and I think retail big names too.
All this was in support of my original point that ATI always had quality vendors, it's just people talked - and, apparently, still talk - BS due to ignorance and/ on PR effects.

So again: which part you couldn't comprehend of these very difficult factual statements that still makes you post more farcical comments?

name ONE ati vendor who has a 3 year warranty TODAY.

Visiontek has a lifetime, but not sure what lifetime means. I always buy the cheapest, as a card over 2 years old has little value to me. So little that I can't be bothered boxing it up and mailing it. But I suppose that could change if games stay stagnant at the console level and nvidia continues to resist the ever increasing direct x numbers.

 

[bryanW1995]

Yes, I know that VT is lifetime, I've mentioned that any number of times. t2k keeps talking about 3 year warranties for exclusives, however, and I can't think of a single one that has it today or even had it last year when 4xxx released. VT is fine, but has no step-up and doesn't have a great customer service dept. It's not bad, either, but you don't have VT buyers swearing by them and saying things like "I'd never buy from anyone else because VT took care of XYK problem for me". EVGA, BFG, and XFX all 3 have great warranty AND a fantastic reputation. The mere fact of XFX selling ati cards has done a lot to get normally loyal nvidia customers to at least consider ati this time. Which ati vendor, if they started selling nvidia as well, would accomplish the same thing?

 

[T2k]

Pal, seriously: you are pathetic with this laughably obvious, lame-idiotic "moving goalpost" tactics of yours - I'm curious where did I use the word "exclusive", let alone when did it become the central question (hint: never.)

You, coincidentally, always failed to follow (or chose to ignore, take your pick) my line of argument when it was backed by links and facts, you - coincidentally, of course! - 'meant something else, of course, sorry' when you got rebutted and so on and so forth... every time you asked something you've been replied or corrected - and every time you tried to move the goalpost...

Instead always coming back with these pathetic attempts to 'back at'ya' how about shutting up for a while? You might even be able to come up with something original and relevant answer, you never know...

 

[T2k]

Interesting: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3649&p=5

So in other words 5870 single, which is still slower than 4870X2/4850X2, will run just fine in P55/i7-8xx but the 5870CF needs the X58... I hope 58070X2/5850X2 will be fine with P55, I really look forward to save $200 on the mobo...

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: T2k
Pal, seriously: you are pathetic with this laughably obvious, lame-idiotic "moving goalpost" tactics of yours - I'm curious where did I use the word "exclusive", let alone when did it become the central question (hint: never.)

You, coincidentally, always failed to follow (or chose to ignore, take your pick) my line of argument when it was backed by links and facts, you - coincidentally, of course! - 'meant something else, of course, sorry' when you got rebutted and so on and so forth... every time you asked something you've been replied or corrected - and every time you tried to move the goalpost...

Instead always coming back with these pathetic attempts to 'back at'ya' how about shutting up for a while? You might even be able to come up with something original and relevant answer, you never know...

huh? I responded to your claim that many ati vendors had a 3 year warranty. the discussion was about the benefits of the many nvidia exclusives, so it seemed obvious that I was referring to ati exclusives. Go read some of my posts, you will find many VT lifetime warranty references in them. You thought that many ati cards still had 3 year warranties, or at least you used that excuse to claim that evga/bfg/etc's lifetime/double lifetime/stepup program/excellent cust service reputation, etc were all marketing bs. You also originally thought that the great ati $50 stepup program was still in effect.

Your clear bias is frankly very annoying. Take off your red blinders and you might be able to relax a little.

 

[Tempered81]

5850 crossfire
http://www.guru3d.com/article/...5850-review-crossfire/

 

[Tempered81]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/...5850-review-crossfire/

looks like he had no trouble ocing the memory from 4000 to 5000 on stock volts... Still cant see pics of the memory though...

 

[Rhoxed]

looks to be my next cards =]

 

[Tempered81]

Cant beat the deal... cooler quieter, 40nm, dx11, eyefinity (missing 160 shaders that are 90% unused anyway). shorter, drawback is the lighter 3-heatpipe fansink. has the new ball bearing fan. 4.ns ddr5 5gbps samsung ecc memory, cypress core, kills a gtx285 and costs $259.

 

[Wreckage]

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/17652

 

[Jschmuck2]

Super! When will they be less than $300?