ATI 9700 Pro $299 in Circuit City starting 3/2/2003...

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amdmaxx

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def. not..
wait for dd2 r350 or r400.. 256 megs

Originally posted by: Elvis2
I just went to my CC for a set of headphones. They had 2 9700 Pro's on the shelf for $299. I just don't think it's gonna be worth upgrading from my ti4600


'course they do have that return policy....
Would it apply to computer hardware?

 

smartt

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I never understood why people wait for technology 'that's just around the corner'. If you really lived by that philosophy, you'd never buy anything. I ordered a AIW 9700 Pro, should last me at least a few years.
 

Krueger81

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oh yeah I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible. people return service plans at best buy all the time within 30 days.

Go ahead and try it. if it doesn't then just return the whole purchase. I am sure they'll give it to you.

Phil
 

amdmaxx

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Interesting, thanks..
I wonder if it goes bad in 350 days, will they replace with r350 if 9700 pro not in stock?

Originally posted by: Krueger81
oh yeah I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible. people return service plans at best buy all the time within 30 days.

Go ahead and try it. if it doesn't then just return the whole purchase. I am sure they'll give it to you.

Phil

 

FuManStan

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Originally posted by: smartt
I never understood why people wait for technology 'that's just around the corner'. If you really lived by that philosophy, you'd never buy anything. I ordered a AIW 9700 Pro, should last me at least a few years.

Not true. There's a difference in waiting for something that's 6 months away, compared to something that's only 1 month away. Since we know ATI is releasing new cards in a few weeks, its worth it to wait.
 

Elvis2

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Not true. There's a difference in waiting for something that's 6 months away, compared to something that's only 1 month away. Since we know ATI is releasing new cards in a few weeks, its worth it to wait.

Agreed.
 

Krueger81

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what they will probably do is give you 279.99 bucks towards a new one. THat's how they do it at BBY
 

DestruyaUR

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Originally posted by: amdmaxx
def. not..
wait for dd2 r350 or r400.. 256 megs

Originally posted by: Elvis2
I just went to my CC for a set of headphones. They had 2 9700 Pro's on the shelf for $299. I just don't think it's gonna be worth upgrading from my ti4600


'course they do have that return policy....
Would it apply to computer hardware?

R350 won't be packing DDR-2. nVidia has the monopoly on DDR-2 for the time being. Samsung is having a hell of a time producing it in quantity. R400 probably WILL be using DDR-2, though.

I got this card for 199.99 with my gift credit. I decided to bite now for a few reasons:

1 - DX9 games won't even start to be released until at least Spring of next year.
2 - The Radeon 9700 Pro is comparable in speed to a GF FX Ultra, and by all indications, should be faster than a GF FX non-Ultra.
3 - It's 199.99 for something that will run DX 8.1 games (which BTW include games like SWG, Doom III, and my most highly anticipated game, Lock On: Modern Air Combat) at very good/excellent framerates for about another year and a quarter before it's time to think about its' replacement. 199.99 (keeping in mind I had 100 dollars in gift cards) is a damned good price for a card that's going to perform stellarly for a year and a half.
4 - 256MB frame buffer isn't going to be worth much until at least a year and a half from now. Games are just now starting to take advantage of 128MB frame buffers, and the Ti44/4600s have been out for quite some time now.
5 - The Radeon 98/9900s are, all told, simply new card revisions with a .13mu higher-clocked core on them and possibly faster RAM (though you can't get much faster in DDR-1 than what's already on the 9700 Pros). I foresee them beating the 9700 Pros by probably 30-40fps at the most...but when the 9700 Pro makes 170-220fps, an extra 30-40 doesn't matter. The Radeon 9900 Pro is STILL going to be using DDR-1. It would be financially stupid (in addition to being impossible), for ATI to put the 9900 Pro out with DDR-2 for 399.99. It's not going to happen.
6 - If 3DMark2003 is any indicator, even when DX9 games start hitting the market sometime (probably) in 2-3Q 2004, the Radeon 9700 Pro is still going to present *respectable* frame rates in the 60s and 70s, dipping into the mid 40s possibly during "heavy activity" periods.

When upgrading something notoriously expensive like a graphics card, I keep several things in mind:

1 - Cost vs. the time I'll be using it. Sufficed to say, anyone who spends 299.99 on a Ti4600 NOW deserves to be ripped off. I foresee myself using this card for a year and a half, when it'll probably be replaced and put into my SN41G2. The circle of life goes on . If I'm going to be spending 400 dollars on a graphics card, I sure as hell better get good two years *at LEAST* out of it. If I spend 300-350, a year and a half. 100-199, I know I've only got about a year-year and a quarter of top-shelf performance out of the card before it starts to show age.
2 - What's the foreseeable future for the card? Well, right now DX8.1 games run fabulously on the Radeon 9700 and ATI FINALLY seems to be getting their sh*t together with their drivers...they're not out the quicksand yet, but then again, neither is nVidia. nVidia's dearth of drivers is nice, but it's also overwhelming for people who aren't in the practice of maintenance of "insignificant" things like that. I'm sure there are still people running 2x.xx drivers with GF4 Ti cards simply because they're in the "get CompUSA to install it then never do anything on my own" camp. I don't want to have to try six different driver revisions to finally settle on which one works best.
3 - Is it appreciably faster than what I have already? This card is replacing a Ti4600 in "Mercury," my fastest machine. The Ti4600 is going into my SN41G2, and my Ti4200 is going into my third fastest machine...for me, a graphics card upgrade means an upgrade to my entire "stable" of computers. Considering the 9700 Pro kicks the ass of the Ti4x00 series by a decent margin, I decided what the hell.

Oh, and for people wanting to go the Staples route, the Ingram Micro part number for the 9700 Pro is IM1369550.
 

Toothpick

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I just got the card are the latest cat. drivers this number ?

wxp-w2k-radeon-7-83-030120a1-007447c-efg

if not then where would a Total-RADEON-Newbe find them ?

Thanks
 

DestruyaUR

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Originally posted by: Toothpick
I just got the card are the latest cat. drivers this number ?

wxp-w2k-radeon-7-83-030120a1-007447c-efg

if not then where would a Total-RADEON-Newbe find them ?

Thanks

Those'd be it. Don't forget to download the control panel, too. I get my drivers from ATI's site, located here.
 

Squisher

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And, to think I've got a $235 CC gift certificate coming my way from a suggestion award at work. Hmmmmm.



 

kayaksurfer

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I just got an AIW 9700 Pro for $400 shipped a couple of weeks ago.

Anyone considerig getting an AIW now vs. waiting for the AIW 98/9900, remember that there was a significant delay between the release of the 9700pro and the AIW 9700pro (which only came out Sep/Oct last year.)
 

Cooljt1

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i picked one up at best buy since they had an instant rebate which took it down to $299
 

yujini

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5 - The Radeon 98/9900s are, all told, simply new card revisions with a .13mu higher-clocked core on them and possibly faster RAM (though you can't get much faster in DDR-1 than what's already on the 9700 Pros). I foresee them beating the 9700 Pros by probably 30-40fps at the most...but when the 9700 Pro makes 170-220fps, an extra 30-40 doesn't matter. The Radeon 9900 Pro is STILL going to be using DDR-1. It would be financially stupid (in addition to being impossible), for ATI to put the 9900 Pro out with DDR-2 for 399.99. It's not going to happen.
Unless if youare playing your games at 640x480 or old games like quake3/halflife,
I don't think you'd be getting more than 150 fps for the new games out there with 1024x760 resolution.
and I bet with doom 3, radeon 9700 pro will be gettin around 60-70 fps max with 1024x760 res with all options
medium~high.

Video cards have to be replaced frequently and buying the fastest card on the market is imo not a good idea.
If 30-40 fps doesnt mean anything to someone, instead of 9700 pro, I would recommend them 9500 pro or
9700. It's only 150-220 dollars, and that saves you 80-150 dollars. You can use the saved money for your next upgrade
in the near future.

Just my 2 cents.
 

elkinm

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Would that mean that the 9500 series cards and the 9700 non pro will see similar price drops, OEM and retail?
 

DestruyaUR

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Originally posted by: elkinm
Would that mean that the 9500 series cards and the 9700 non pro will see similar price drops, OEM and retail?

Drops in OEM pricing, yes. Probably the only correction to the 9500 Pro retail box price will be a permanent adjustment down to 199.99 instead of making it 199 after rebate. nVidia has no counter to the 9500 Pro (no foreseeable consumer version of the FX under 229) right now. Thus, ATI isn't going to futz with the price much. I have a feeling the 9500 AIW Pro is right around the corner, though. Look for an introductory price of 239.99-249.99.

The best cheap card online is quickly going to become OEM 9700 non-Pros going for near or a little under 200 bucks. OEM 9700 Pros will be going for 250 or possibly even as low as 239.99. Considering the games coming out in the next year will do nicely on the Radeon 9700 Pro, it's a damned good time to be in the market for a video card.

Personally, though I don't doubt the 9800 Pro (and to a certain extent the 9900 Pro) will be faster than the 9700s, deep down they're just higher-clocked .13 micron 9700s which will get on average possibly a 20-35% speed increase over their predecessors...though as long as it's over 70 FPS doesn't matter anymore anyways.

For those who can wait, ATI is probably testing the 9700 Pro at this price point. If the demand on here is any indicator, this should be the MSRP of the retail box in two weeks. Gotta clear the shelves for the FXes and new Radeons.
 

Logan8252

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Does Buy.com let you use coupons after price matches? If so, Buy.com matches specific retailers (www.circuitcity.com is one of them). So that would be $358.00 - $58 (I don't know if they do 110% price difference or anything) = $300 and there is a $15 off $200 coupon and free shipping.
 

ZippZ

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Originally posted by: DestruyaUR
Originally posted by: elkinm
Would that mean that the 9500 series cards and the 9700 non pro will see similar price drops, OEM and retail?
....
For those who can wait, ATI is probably testing the 9700 Pro at this price point. If the demand on here is any indicator, this should be the MSRP of the retail box in two weeks. Gotta clear the shelves for the FXes ...

By the inventory reports on the FX's, I don't think they have to work too hard on making shelf space.
 

Lezmaka

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Originally posted by: Krueger81
what they will probably do is give you 279.99 bucks towards a new one. THat's how they do it at BBY

What screwed up best buy you going to? If it's within 30 days, you'll get your money back. If you paid by cash or check, you'll get a check from the corporate office. If it's the same day, you can try and get em to post void the transaction and give you your cash/check back, but depends on the senior/sup.

As for why all the major retailers make pricing changes, part of the reason is reactionary. One will drop prices, the others follow. I see some rebates in the system that say Market Reaction, Circuit City Reaction, or something similar.
 

jrutz

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Originally posted by: Logan8252
Does Buy.com let you use coupons after price matches? If so, Buy.com matches specific retailers (www.circuitcity.com is one of them). So that would be $358.00 - $58 (I don't know if they do 110% price difference or anything) = $300 and there is a $15 off $200 coupon and free shipping.

No, I think they compare the original prices and then take into considerations any discounts available, including differences in shipping prices.

Jeremy

 
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