ATI a takeover target?

[gac009]

Even if they had the money and the desire too nvidia still couldnt buy ati.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: gac009
Even if they had the money and the desire too nvidia still couldnt buy ati.

Harrison Anti-trust?

 

[AndyBogard]

Once I saw the name of this topic, I knew that this topic would not die without Rollo chiming in shouting his pro Nvidia, anti ATI sentiment.

Rollo give it a rest, just because you like Nvidia doesn't mean we all have to. I'll grant you Nvidia currently rules in performance, but don't count out ATI. Yes I am dissappointed that ATI hasn't got Crossfire or R520 out yet, but I can wait.


Sorry, back to the main topic now. I don't think ATI would get taken over. I just don't see ATI disappearing from the graphics market, especially not with their continuing development of computer video cards, plus their video card development for the Gamecube, Revolution, and Xbox 360.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Um.
Who would want ATI?

If someone were to hand me either ATI or NV.. I'd take NV anyday for their work ethic, I dont care about what the financials even say or marketshare.. Nvidia has a future always has. I dont know about ATI, they almost collapsed once before they bought the ArtX teams R300 hardware. It could happen again, but might not be so lucky to find a SGI employee to take it over again, or an American company like ArtX to save it with great hardware.

Somehow, they've messed up all the blessings they've been given.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: gac009
Even if they had the money and the desire too nvidia still couldnt buy ati.

Harrison Anti-trust?

They don't have the resources. Not even close. If nVidia liquidated all of their assets and bankrupted themselves they still wouldn't have enough. Both ATI and nVidia are mid cap companies. The idea of one taking over the other is silly.

Look at ATI's financials. They aren't losing money because of lack of sales or income. They are hemorrhaging cash due to Research and Development spending. Don't forget that they are developing graphics chips for not only the XBox360 but also the Nintendo Revolution as well, all the while trying to get out their own next gen Graphics card. They just have too many irons in the fire right right now. Good time to buy stock IMO.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
Rollo give it a rest, just because you like Nvidia doesn't mean we all have to. I'll grant you Nvidia currently rules in performance, but don't count out ATI. Yes I am dissappointed that ATI hasn't got Crossfire or R520 out yet, but I can wait.

And WHY would you wait for those things? You think R520 will blow away the G70 for the same price? Doubt it. Might have a 32pipe Ultra Mega version.. but with 2 or 3 5million dollar tape outs you think its going to come cheaply?? No.

And Crossfire.. SLI is the superior dual graphics implementation.. and Xfire is not even out yet.. requires a dongle and a ALI motherboard.. you'd have to be ridiculous to pop two shader model 2 cards in (one being a master card and the other a slave card)..

just get a 7800GTX today instead and a real motherboard like the DFI Nforce4 and be done with it.

 

[coomar]

i could see microsoft buying them, they have someone to build the gpu's of future xboxes and they can have all their gaming companies optimize for ati

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Would be VERY interesting if AMD took over ATi, mainly for nForce chipsets.
But then the same is true for Intel, but possibly less so, since nVidia have a smaller share of the Pentium market.

AMD can probably not spare the cash to take over anybody these days. The chinese will most likely try to take it as they are trying very hard to aquire "name brand" companies. Mostly US name brand companies but ATI is just as well known in the US as Canada.

 

[eelw]

Originally posted by: Dman877

Besides, ATI has more market-share then nvida anyway. Just because one analyst says something doesn't make it true.

Exactly. What a dumbass market ANALyst. With a market cap of over $3 billion, it's going to take a while for a hostile takeover.

 

[AndyBogard]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
Rollo give it a rest, just because you like Nvidia doesn't mean we all have to. I'll grant you Nvidia currently rules in performance, but don't count out ATI. Yes I am dissappointed that ATI hasn't got Crossfire or R520 out yet, but I can wait.

And WHY would you wait for those things? You think R520 will blow away the G70 for the same price? Doubt it. Might have a 32pipe Ultra Mega version.. but with 2 or 3 5million dollar tape outs you think its going to come cheaply?? No.

And Crossfire.. SLI is the superior dual graphics implementation.. and Xfire is not even out yet.. requires a dongle and a ALI motherboard.. you'd have to be ridiculous to pop two shader model 2 cards in (one being a master card and the other a slave card)..

just get a 7800GTX today instead and a real motherboard like the DFI Nforce4 and be done with it.

You know, your just like Rollo. Why don't just wait for R520 and Crossfire to come out before passing judgement, and I mean actually seperate from your bias to make that judgement (which won't happen), because by your last post you showed that you are completely biased southpawuni. And don't give me that it'll never be released BS, because that is just old. Just because Nvidia finally does a non paper launch doesn't mean they are the greatest company in the world bar none. I'm impressed Nvidia did a non paper launch, and I think will try and follow suit with R520.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky
Big deal... Ati is not going anywhere. If nvidia survived during the nv30 days when they released a product delayed AND inferior, why would ati tank when they're gonna release a product delayed but probably superior to the competition?

BTW, I'm probably buying ati stock as you're reading this.

B..B..But... Dman says, "Just because one analyst says something doesn't make it true.".

Buy all the stock you can munky, cause ATI needs the cash right now.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
Rollo give it a rest, just because you like Nvidia doesn't mean we all have to. I'll grant you Nvidia currently rules in performance, but don't count out ATI. Yes I am dissappointed that ATI hasn't got Crossfire or R520 out yet, but I can wait.

If you're a fan of ATI over the last year, you're used to waiting. Paper launches, cancellations, long delays, and scarcity have been their stock in trade.

While you're enjoying the waiting, I'll be enjoying the gaming.

 

[AndyBogard]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
Rollo give it a rest, just because you like Nvidia doesn't mean we all have to. I'll grant you Nvidia currently rules in performance, but don't count out ATI. Yes I am dissappointed that ATI hasn't got Crossfire or R520 out yet, but I can wait.

If you're a fan of ATI over the last year, you're used to waiting. Paper launches, cancellations, long delays, and scarcity have been their stock in trade.

While you're enjoying the waiting, I'll be enjoying the gaming.

Oh and Nvidia didn't have paper launches with the 6800 series and Nforce4?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky
Big deal... Ati is not going anywhere. If nvidia survived during the nv30 days when they released a product delayed AND inferior, why would ati tank when they're gonna release a product delayed but probably superior to the competition?

BTW, I'm probably buying ati stock as you're reading this.

B..B..But... Dman says, "Just because one analyst says something doesn't make it true.".

Buy all the stock you can munky, cause ATI needs the cash right now.

Im not doing it for them, keyster. I'm doin it because it's low price now, and I have a hunch when the r520 and crossfire are released it's gonna go up significantly. Then I'm gonna sell the stock and use the money to buy an r520 or two. But dont let me influence you, I'm sure you're padding nvidia's wallets as I type this, so keep up the good work, cause they're gonna need the money too.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: HDTVMan
AMD doesnt have the cash.
Microsoft doesnt want hardware so that is out also.
IBM would ruin it like they ruin every company they buy.

Wouldnt it be funny is Sony bought them? Then sony would be making money from Xbox 360 sales.

Sorry cant see who would buy them.

Samsung?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: eelw

Originally posted by: Dman877

Besides, ATI has more market-share then nvida anyway. Just because one analyst says something doesn't make it true.

Exactly. What a dumbass market ANALyst. With a market cap of over $3 billion, it's going to take a while for a hostile takeover.

I'm sure that you do not know everything that this "market analyst" knows, correct? Yet you call him/her a dumbass? Who is the real dumbass here?

News flash! Bigger companies than ATI have been taken over for far greater dollars than 3 billion brudda. I think your forgetting how huge nvidia is. Not that I think that nvidia would take over ATI because that would be sort of a monopoly. Nvidia makes GPU's, mobo chipsets, WIFI components, Audio chips. I would not be surprised to see Nvidia eventually making CPU's in the future. Wouldn't be surprised if they already have these plans on the table either.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: biostud
clicky

time for some risky investment?

Holy crap, I guess even though some would have you believe "SM2b is 'good enough'" and "AIW products ownxors" ATI isn't doing so well.

What would be amusing to me is if nVidia bought controlling interest in them, because some people would take it so personally.

In Rollo's fanboy world he'd like Nvidia to buy everyone and kill off comitition. Nothing is beter than high prices and crappy products, ie. Creative Labs. Nvidia would have gone the same route if it were not for ATI. They killed 3dfx in part by bogus litigation and bought them out.

 

[Dman877]

I have to believe the reason 7800GTX's are msrp at 600 (or is it 700?) is because ATI has nothing to compete. I'm guessing when ATI actually delivers their next card (2nd quarter, 2017 anyone wanna bet? ) that nvidia and ati both drop flagship prices to the 500 (450ish at e-retailers) level. The top end cards were 400 from the geforce 2 ultra through the 9800XT/NV5950. Lets hope it's another 3 full generations of cards before they jump from 500 to 600 (and no, I don't count 512 mb 6800 Ultra's with 0 performance improvement over 256 mb cards).

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: AndyBogard

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
Rollo give it a rest, just because you like Nvidia doesn't mean we all have to. I'll grant you Nvidia currently rules in performance, but don't count out ATI. Yes I am dissappointed that ATI hasn't got Crossfire or R520 out yet, but I can wait.

And WHY would you wait for those things? You think R520 will blow away the G70 for the same price? Doubt it. Might have a 32pipe Ultra Mega version.. but with 2 or 3 5million dollar tape outs you think its going to come cheaply?? No.

And Crossfire.. SLI is the superior dual graphics implementation.. and Xfire is not even out yet.. requires a dongle and a ALI motherboard.. you'd have to be ridiculous to pop two shader model 2 cards in (one being a master card and the other a slave card)..

just get a 7800GTX today instead and a real motherboard like the DFI Nforce4 and be done with it.

You know, your just like Rollo. Why don't just wait for R520 and Crossfire to come out before passing judgement, and I mean actually seperate from your bias to make that judgement (which won't happen), because by your last post you showed that you are completely biased southpawuni. And don't give me that it'll never be released BS, because that is just old. Just because Nvidia finally does a non paper launch doesn't mean they are the greatest company in the world bar none. I'm impressed Nvidia did a non paper launch, and I think will try and follow suit with R520.

Because I've seen enough of Crossfire to know while its in league performance wise.. its implementation is sloppier.. also SLI has been out longer, the drivers are for sure to be much more mature than Xfires.. theres no doubt in this.

On R520, I havent seen enough. I have seen enough delays/respins.. it tells me the 90nm transition is tough for them and the chip might not be performing as they'd hoped.
Add the fact it wont come cheap to make up for all the blunders, and ya.. I've seen enough.

For now, SLI rocks and the 7800 is a exceptional card with low power requirements, wicked speeds and stable drivers.. what do you want????

If its not ATI fanboys complaining about loud dual slot solutions.. (then of course forgetting about it when ATI has to do the same), they just deny Nvidias exceptional 7800GTX.

Do you really think ATI will have something cooler, quieter, requires less power, CHEAPER and trounce it in performance??? You are nuts if you are assuming at this point they will.
I'm not ruling them out, but I want to SEE it. With Nvidia doing so well, and ATI doing so poor I dont think its right to say it will be easy or likely for them to do all that as Nvidia has.

And NV has the cards out now, for sale.. theres nothing wrong with them, cool quiet and fast single slot solutions.
So I see no need to wait unless you are never goign go buy like most people on forums never do.. its wait wait wait.. always something around the corner!!! haha

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: HDTVMan
AMD doesnt have the cash.
Microsoft doesnt want hardware so that is out also.
IBM would ruin it like they ruin every company they buy.

Wouldnt it be funny is Sony bought them? Then sony would be making money from Xbox 360 sales.

Sorry cant see who would buy them.

Samsung?

Anyhow, look even if the R520 is going to be faster as all you ATi fanboys put it, you have to consider other things as southpawni mentions.

-Dual slot?
-Power consumption?
-Heat?
-Bigger than a 7800GTX? (the R520 claims to have a LARGE die size)
-how may molex connectors its gonig to have.
-CPU limited?
-PRICE.

Price. Unless ATi wants to see another loss, i dont think the new cards will come that cheaply, expecially when a company re tapes like 3 or more times.

 

[ryanv12]

I'm going to buy a 7800GTX in a week or two

No need to argue so much guys. No one is going to win. Some people are just too stubbornly loyal.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ryanv12
I'm going to buy a 7800GTX in a week or two

No need to argue so much guys. No one is going to win. Some people are just too stubbornly loyal.

Congrats- you'll love it!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: AndyBogard
Oh and Nvidia didn't have paper launches with the 6800 series and Nforce4?

That was then?

 

[Ackmed]

Dream on, ignorant NV lovers.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Dream on, ignorant NV lovers.

Nice Ackmed. Calling people names? What's next? Calling my house and hanging up?
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