ATI a takeover target?

[Creig]

I wonder if time to production is decreased on a respin over an initial tapeout?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Creig
I wonder if time to production is decreased on a respin over an initial tapeout?

Not really, because production units come from that tapeout and they need enough usable chips built up for a launch after that.

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: dornick
Rollo, I know it's hard for you to see, since you always get the top of the line stuff (usually from NVidia), but only people with huge wallets go out and spend $600 on a video card w/o seeing what competition will be, assuming they can wait a few months. If ATI had released the r520 a few months before, would you have immediately gone out and grabbed one because there was something more expensive? While doing either one is stupid IMO (unless you have to upgrade), I hope so for consistency's sake.

I bought a Rage Fury, MAXX, VIVO, 9700Pro, 9800Pro within two months of launch, usually one.

I'll buy the first R520 I see for MSRP, give it a good work out. ATI has lost my SLI business by being way late to the party.

I have two SLI motherboards already, if they wanted me to have Crossfire, they damn well should have launched it within 9 months of SLI availability. Man can't wait forever to see if they can make something good. (not to mention my doubts about their first SLI efforts rev1)

Comes a time you have to pull the trigger and buy.

That's for sure. I'm just saying that I think most people who don't need a new card right now and want to make sure their $600 dollars are spent well would be willing to wait to see more options.

But your definitely right, every day that passes is more business for NVidia, as more people have to pull the trigger.

 

[vision33r]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: Rage187
This is so remenissant of 3DFX and the V6000. Way late to market and still had an outrageous price.

But but but....

Were like only 2 weeks since the launch of teh 7800GTX

And pricing hasnt even come out yet?

How can it be "way late" and "outrageous price"

The chip just taped out a 2nd time, availability wont be until at *LEAST* late august.

Actually it was a third time and The Inquirer says September at the earliest.

I wasnt aware of it being the 3rd tape out, but i do know how long it takes to roll out a product after a tape out, i would say aug-sep at the earliest as well, and thats only if this revision of the chip has better yields.

Once ATI is able to get better yields with the 90nm process, you bet Nvidia will follow with a 7800 Ultra using the same process and more pipes.

Also ATI is supposedly to deliver 3-4 million GPUs for Xbox 360, how can they manage that and the R520.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Its always a pendulum. It swing ATI's way during the R300/NV30 era, its about even withe the 6800/Xwhatever, but Nvidia's got the momentum right now. Eventually, they're going to stumble just like ATI has.

No nvidia fanboi is going to say that the 5800 was better than the 9700. At least I hope they won't...

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Creig
I wonder if time to production is decreased on a respin over an initial tapeout?

Not really, because production units come from that tapeout and they need enough usable chips built up for a launch after that.

Well, hopefully ATI has been using this extra time productively and has all the rest of their ducks in a row so that mass production can begin as soon as cores are available.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

meh this is just ATI tripping over their own feet, they'll be fine

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: vision33r

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: Rage187
This is so remenissant of 3DFX and the V6000. Way late to market and still had an outrageous price.

But but but....

Were like only 2 weeks since the launch of teh 7800GTX

And pricing hasnt even come out yet?

How can it be "way late" and "outrageous price"

The chip just taped out a 2nd time, availability wont be until at *LEAST* late august.

Actually it was a third time and The Inquirer says September at the earliest.

I wasnt aware of it being the 3rd tape out, but i do know how long it takes to roll out a product after a tape out, i would say aug-sep at the earliest as well, and thats only if this revision of the chip has better yields.

Once ATI is able to get better yields with the 90nm process, you bet Nvidia will follow with a 7800 Ultra using the same process and more pipes.

Also ATI is supposedly to deliver 3-4 million GPUs for Xbox 360, how can they manage that and the R520.

Urgh. ATi are not producing the GPUs, MS are, All ATi have done is researched and designed it, and all they are doing now is providing support for MS on the chips.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
Its always a pendulum. It swing ATI's way during the R300/NV30 era, its about even withe the 6800/Xwhatever, but Nvidia's got the momentum right now. Eventually, they're going to stumble just like ATI has.

No nvidia fanboi is going to say that the 5800 was better than the 9700. At least I hope they won't...

Some "pendulum"
Better nVidia: TNT>TNT2>GeForce1>GeForce2>GeForce3>GeForce4
Better ATI: 9700>9800
Even: X800/6800, although I'd say SLI, SM3, HDR, and soft shadows outweigh 10% faster at some games at the same setting, playable on either by far.
Better nVidia: 7800GTX

So you've got 7 nVidia wins, 1 tie, and 2 losses.
ATI has 2 wins, 1 tie, and 7 losses.

The fact of the matter is the only time ATI has been the industry leader at high end is the two years they coasted on their acquisition of ArtX and release of it's part, the R300. They've been in second since I can remember before that.

Is it a crime to be in second? Nope. I always bought all their cards anyway, for the fun of trying them. If you're a normal buyer who buys one card and keeps it a while, ATI hasn't been your choice much in the last 10 years.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
Its always a pendulum. It swing ATI's way during the R300/NV30 era, its about even withe the 6800/Xwhatever, but Nvidia's got the momentum right now. Eventually, they're going to stumble just like ATI has.

No nvidia fanboi is going to say that the 5800 was better than the 9700. At least I hope they won't...

Some "pendulum"
Better nVidia: TNT>TNT2>GeForce1>GeForce2>GeForce3>GeForce4
Better ATI: 9700>9800
Even: X800/6800, although I'd say SLI, SM3, HDR, and soft shadows outweigh 10% faster at some games at the same setting, playable on either by far.
Better nVidia: 7800GTX

So you've got 7 nVidia wins, 1 tie, and 2 losses.
ATI has 2 wins, 1 tie, and 7 losses.

The fact of the matter is the only time ATI has been the industry leader at high end is the two years they coasted on their acquisition of ArtX and release of it's part, the R300. They've been in second since I can remember before that.

Is it a crime to be in second? Nope. I always bought all their cards anyway, for the fun of trying them. If you're a normal buyer who buys one card and keeps it a while, ATI hasn't been your choice much in the last 10 years.

Your statements make sense only if you consider one aspect of the market. the AIW products are something that nvidia has only recently began to come out with a competing product, and you neglect to mention the dominance that ATI has over the notebook market.


EDIT: GeForce 4 doesn't really count...There was no competing product from ATI...unless you consider the 9700 as the competitor the GF4, and the 9800 as competor to the 5800/5900, which would give ATI three wins. Moot point really though. I'm no fanboi, my next card is 99% right now going to be a 7800gt(x).