ATI cancel X800XT PE?

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: Bar81
That's just bs. Personally, I've gotten 11 XT PEs just this week. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, claim the item is discontinued so you can cancel all the orders without the customer backlash. It's just silly to think ATI would, for no reason, discontinue its flagship product.

I don't think I've come across 11 people on the AT forums with XT PEs, so what's your secret? (Also, once your auctions close I bet you'll be one rich guy )

Just knowing where to look, excess time, and a little luck. Don't get me wrong, it's not like they're flowing in from all over but they are out there. They are harder to get a hold of than 6800 Ultras and they typically carry at least a $50 price premium over msrp from the supplier (although not from the manufacturer, who are still selling them for below msrp so all the markups on price are from the retailers/suppliers.) It seems pretty apparent they are having yield issues with the XT PE cores, but the XT PE is far from cancelled.

You do know what they are shaying about you - Bar81 - in Forum Issues

That you are a liar and should be banned.

Maybe you should take a look at it.

lol thats great. oooh im tellin mom on you!!

bar you may wanna ease it back just a little bit....no need to think everyone is stupid but you.

on topic: sucks this card may be canned. nvidia needs the competition to stay sharp for the benefit of us all. does seem a little far fetched ati would cancel tho. who know? other than bar81, of course.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: Bar81
That's just bs. Personally, I've gotten 11 XT PEs just this week. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, claim the item is discontinued so you can cancel all the orders without the customer backlash. It's just silly to think ATI would, for no reason, discontinue its flagship product.

I don't think I've come across 11 people on the AT forums with XT PEs, so what's your secret? (Also, once your auctions close I bet you'll be one rich guy )

Just knowing where to look, excess time, and a little luck. Don't get me wrong, it's not like they're flowing in from all over but they are out there. They are harder to get a hold of than 6800 Ultras and they typically carry at least a $50 price premium over msrp from the supplier (although not from the manufacturer, who are still selling them for below msrp so all the markups on price are from the retailers/suppliers.) It seems pretty apparent they are having yield issues with the XT PE cores, but the XT PE is far from cancelled.

You do know what they are shaying about you - Bar81 - in Forum Issues

That you are a liar and should be banned.

Maybe you should take a look at it.

lol thats great. oooh im tellin mom on you!!

bar you may wanna ease it back just a little bit....no need to think everyone is stupid but you.

on topic: sucks this card may be canned. nvidia needs the competition to stay sharp for the benefit of us all. does seem a little far fetched ati would cancel tho. who know? other than bar81, of course.

i just posted this as a PSA . . . . and especially for Bar81 who may be UNaware he is so "popular".

Notice i did NOT join in that FI thread but DID notice that Bar81 hasn't replied there . . . if MY "good name" was being besmirched, i'd JUMP into that thread.

and the x800XT is NOT canned . . . IMpossible!

:roll:

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Xentropy
Wow, so the only source of information even less reliable than random internet rumors, the Inquirer, is trying to squash these rumors. :roll:

Sorry bud but you got absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I think you are confusing two different news sources. This isn't some trashy rag magazine. They are a well respected news source on computers. Take a closer look at the website. It's just new to you that's all.

 

[Bar81]

I'm fully aware of the morons and I choose to ignore them. Thanks for the info, but I've chosen to not sink down to their level.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: shimsham

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: Bar81
That's just bs. Personally, I've gotten 11 XT PEs just this week. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, claim the item is discontinued so you can cancel all the orders without the customer backlash. It's just silly to think ATI would, for no reason, discontinue its flagship product.

I don't think I've come across 11 people on the AT forums with XT PEs, so what's your secret? (Also, once your auctions close I bet you'll be one rich guy )

Just knowing where to look, excess time, and a little luck. Don't get me wrong, it's not like they're flowing in from all over but they are out there. They are harder to get a hold of than 6800 Ultras and they typically carry at least a $50 price premium over msrp from the supplier (although not from the manufacturer, who are still selling them for below msrp so all the markups on price are from the retailers/suppliers.) It seems pretty apparent they are having yield issues with the XT PE cores, but the XT PE is far from cancelled.

You do know what they are shaying about you - Bar81 - in Forum Issues

That you are a liar and should be banned.

Maybe you should take a look at it.

lol thats great. oooh im tellin mom on you!!

bar you may wanna ease it back just a little bit....no need to think everyone is stupid but you.

on topic: sucks this card may be canned. nvidia needs the competition to stay sharp for the benefit of us all. does seem a little far fetched ati would cancel tho. who know? other than bar81, of course.

Actually you would be surprised how many degenerates post on this forum like lemmings. One starts heading one way and the rest have to see if they can catch up to em and over the edge they go. This forum is not exactly the shining beacon of literature on the web you know.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Xentropy
Wow, so the only source of information even less reliable than random internet rumors, the Inquirer, is trying to squash these rumors. :roll:

Sorry bud but you got absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I think you are confusing two different news sources. This isn't some trashy rag magazine. They are a well respected news source on computers. Take a closer look at the website. It's just new to you that's all.

That's my feeling also. They're right a lot more then they're wrong. When it comes to info, they are the only source that gives credible scoops as well as tech news. Other sites just report news. I check the Inq daily.

 

[kingmike]

Looks like neither ATI, nor Nvidia could not get enough quality chips from TSMC, or IBM to get the 6800 ultra extreme or the XT PEs to market in mass quantitys........
Besides getting memory thats fast enough for either chip :brokenheart:

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Bar81
I'm fully aware of the morons and I choose to ignore them. Thanks for the info, but I've chosen to not sink down to their level.

Bravo. You are a more composed person than I am. Personally I would have tore them appart.

It does make one feel better knowing that people like that tend to be real wankers in RL. I know plenty of em. The toughest SOB is always the quiet ones. It's funny knowing they are nothing of the sort and have to act like that in a forum to make themselves feel bigger than they actually are in RL.

Cheers.

 

[CraigRT]

the hell.. honestly....
guess it was a good idea i haven't bought any videocards on a whim lately.. i am going to wait a bit more at this point....

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: kingmike
Looks like neither ATI, nor Nvidia could not get enough quality chips from TSMC, or IBM to get the 6800 ultra extreme or the XT PEs to market in mass quantitys........
Besides getting memory thats fast enough for either chip :brokenheart:

Maybe RAMBUS leeching off everybody has something to do with it. I hope they get eviscerated for their corporate practices.

That would save billions of dollars for companies that produce RAM and ultimately help reduce prices significantly.

RAMBUS is evil incarnate and should be stomped out of existence.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: kingmike
Looks like neither ATI, nor Nvidia could not get enough quality chips from TSMC, or IBM to get the 6800 ultra extreme or the XT PEs to market in mass quantitys........
Besides getting memory thats fast enough for either chip :brokenheart:

What a load

That's what ATI wants you to think

Strangely, the 6800Ultra seems to be coming out in quantity . . .

:roll:

so it's not RAM

. . . . it's . . .

. . . it's . . . (catch a breath) . . .

it's . . . Crappy YIELD on the XT . . .
(looks like ATI - in their "rush" to beat nVidia - didn't get all the "bugs" out of their manufacturing process.)

What else could it be?
(no, really)

 

[ponyo]

Umm, isn't that what kingmike said? He said it looks like neither ATI or Nvidia is getting enough quality chips from TSMC or IBM. IBM is better at chip fab than TSMC. Nvidia mainly uses IBM for their GPU. That could be why you see little more 6800Ultra in the marketplace since IBM is likely getting better yields. ATI mainly uses TSMC as their chip fab.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Rollo
<remembers now laughable angry posts about how "at least ATI doesn't do BS paper launches! the X800XT PE will be available to everyone as soon as they launch it!">

Pretty pathetic. When bananas grow late, apes grow angry.

Sometimes it seems like we're the only sane ones on here? :beer:

:beer:

(there are others though, as evidenced by the very respectable turnout in the "would you RMA a card you destroyed thread?")

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Bar81
That's just bs. Personally, I've gotten 11 XT PEs just this week. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, claim the item is discontinued so you can cancel all the orders without the customer backlash. It's just silly to think ATI would, for no reason, discontinue its flagship product.

Believe it or not Gateway tried to pull that "discontinued" crap with me a few days after I ordered my X800XT-PE from them. I got into a little disagreement with a CSR supervisor over it because she insisted that they actually had cards in stock and ran out and now the item was no longer being carried. My response was that it's pretty hard to ever have them in stock when ATI hasn't released them yet. Anyway, I cancelled my Gateway order because I got sick of the pushed back ship dates and runaround. Their Sales and CS departments are clueless.

 

[Avalon]

I'm not able to believe ATI canceled the ATI x800 XT. A lot of people wouldn't think much of ATI if they had no competing product to Nvidia's flagship card. Gateway and CDW are still not delivering the cards and jerking people around? Ouch.

 

[jasonja]

It's not true, my friend works at ATI and they are baffled where this rumor started and contacting CDW to see what's the deal. He assured me it isn't true.

 

[kingmike]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: kingmike
Looks like neither ATI, nor Nvidia could not get enough quality chips from TSMC, or IBM to get the 6800 ultra extreme or the XT PEs to market in mass quantitys........
Besides getting memory thats fast enough for either chip :brokenheart:

What a load

That's what ATI wants you to think

Strangely, the 6800Ultra seems to be coming out in quantity . . .

:roll:

so it's not RAM

. . . . it's . . .

. . . it's . . . (catch a breath) . . .

it's . . . Crappy YIELD on the XT . . .
(looks like ATI - in their "rush" to beat nVidia - didn't get all the "bugs" out of their manufacturing process.)

What else could it be?
(no, really)

Go to your local store which sells graphics cards and if you find a 6800 ultra extreme and a 800xt pe ON THE SHELF then I will agree with you. Both companys are having a hard time getting quality chips from TSMC and IBM. thus the reason the 6800gt and the x800 pro are available in decent quantitys. The higher clocked versions are very limited in quantity.

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: kingmike
Looks like neither ATI, nor Nvidia could not get enough quality chips from TSMC, or IBM to get the 6800 ultra extreme or the XT PEs to market in mass quantitys........
Besides getting memory thats fast enough for either chip :brokenheart:

What a load

That's what ATI wants you to think

Strangely, the 6800Ultra seems to be coming out in quantity . . .

:roll:

so it's not RAM

. . . . it's . . .

. . . it's . . . (catch a breath) . . .

it's . . . Crappy YIELD on the XT . . .
(looks like ATI - in their "rush" to beat nVidia - didn't get all the "bugs" out of their manufacturing process.)

What else could it be?
(no, really)

Lets not forget that the 6800 Ultra was announced a full month before the X800 XT. ATI also has a lot more OEM buisness than nVidia this round, those customers are going to get priority over the retail partners simply due to the contractual obligations that ATI has with those OEMs and the volume and repeat buisness that depends on those contracts.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: kingmike

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: kingmike
Looks like neither ATI, nor Nvidia could not get enough quality chips from TSMC, or IBM to get the 6800 ultra extreme or the XT PEs to market in mass quantitys........
Besides getting memory thats fast enough for either chip :brokenheart:

What a load

That's what ATI wants you to think

Strangely, the 6800Ultra seems to be coming out in quantity . . .

:roll:

so it's not RAM

. . . . it's . . .

. . . it's . . . (catch a breath) . . .

it's . . . Crappy YIELD on the XT . . .
(looks like ATI - in their "rush" to beat nVidia - didn't get all the "bugs" out of their manufacturing process.)

What else could it be?
(no, really)

Go to your local store which sells graphics cards and if you find a 6800 ultra extreme and a 800xt pe ON THE SHELF then I will agree with you. Both companys are having a hard time getting quality chips from TSMC and IBM. thus the reason the 6800gt and the x800 pro are available in decent quantitys. The higher clocked versions are very limited in quantity.

it seems i was actually agreeing with you - EXCEPT on the scarcity of suitable RAM.
(it ain't as scarce as GPU yields are bad - ati would like to blame it all on video memory)

:roll:

i should have made it clearer

and the 6800u is definitely more available than the XT
(i can find a 6800u near MSRP - NOT the XT)

 

[GeneralGrievous]

The 6800 U uses lower ram chips than the XTPE. That might be the reason it's more available. ATI should be cheap like Nvidia and just stick overclocked 2.0 ns ram on their XTs.

 

[badnewcastle]

Has anyone thought about the fact that in order to run Doom 3 at highest quality, you need a card with 512 MB of ram. I'm trying to be optimistic by saying maybe they are pulling the distribution so they can add another 256 mb to the cards already made in order to get the first vid card w/512 distributed at quantity.
I don't know if ATI has disconued it but I do know that many of its retailers have. PC connection says the product does not exist, where I ordered mine from... still waiting for them to call though! Whatever it is it really really sucks!
However... When I track my order it does say the order is still open.

 

[ryedizzel]

Originally posted by: jasonja
Lets not forget that the 6800 Ultra was announced a full month before the X800 XT. ATI also has a lot more OEM buisness than nVidia this round, those customers are going to get priority over the retail partners simply due to the contractual obligations that ATI has with those OEMs and the volume and repeat buisness that depends on those contracts.

this post seems to make the most sense so far. could this insight be from your friend at ATI?

 

[Ackmed]

I cant believe people buy into this PR junk.

 

[Xentropy]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Xentropy
Wow, so the only source of information even less reliable than random internet rumors, the Inquirer, is trying to squash these rumors. :roll:

Sorry bud but you got absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I think you are confusing two different news sources. This isn't some trashy rag magazine. They are a well respected news source on computers. Take a closer look at the website. It's just new to you that's all.

I'm talking about the badly laid out red and white designed site here that treats tech company rumors as facts about as often as another media source with a similar name that treats alien abduction rumors as facts. Both turn out to be right equally often. The Onion's stories are more believable.

What site are you referring to?

 

[FluxCap]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The 6800 U uses lower ram chips than the XTPE. That might be the reason it's more available. ATI should be cheap like Nvidia and just stick overclocked 2.0 ns ram on their XTs.

Cheap = smarter in this generation.

ATI got kicked in the nuts this generation and instead of standing up and fighting, they tucked their tails and ran.

I am not a fanboy of either side, I was actually about to sell my GT and buy a XT PE until I found out it would be virtually impossible to get one.