ATI Crossfire Issue - Battlefield 2 1.2 Patch

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Crusader, I have a question for you, How did you find this? Do you usually look through the release notes of patches to find known issues?

I play Battlefield 2 and recently installed the patch. Just was checking out the changes to the game, that was the only known issue so it stuck out to me.
I do usually read through patch update notes to see what they fixed, usually I see a lot of game exploits fixed that I wish I could have gotten in on.


To the others (mod wannabe's)- I'll post what I want, when I want. :thumbsup:
If the rules were enforced here, most of you would have gone with Rollo. Thats the truth.
Sorry.

WTF, Rollo's not comming back? I figured he would have sent all his AEG stuff back and told them he was pissed they got him involved in the first place and how badly he felt being used as their stooge. I liked the old Rollo of 1 1/2 years ago. Too bad he's gone

 

[fierydemise]

Crusader the reason Joker accused you of being Rollo is that this is just the kind of thing Rollo did (something you would know if you were a lurker for 6 years), we post a relatively insignificant or obscure issue blow it out of proportion and and claim nVidia's superiority based on it.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: Killrose
WTF, Rollo's not comming back? I figured he would have sent all his AEG stuff back and told them he was pissed they got him involved in the first place and how badly he felt being used as their stooge. I liked the old Rollo of 1 1/2 years ago. Too bad he's gone

Rollo left voluntarily while the whole AEG thing was going, he has said he may be back when the tempers die down but for now he is gone.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Crusader the reason Joker accused you of being Rollo is that this is just the kind of thing Rollo did (something you would know if you were a lurker for 6 years), we post a relatively insignificant or obscure issue blow it out of proportion and and claim nVidia's superiority based on it.

In my defense, I dont think I claimed "Nvidia superiority". This is my original post

I dont know if I was a Crossfire customer if I'd like that solution (1024x768 or even lower).
I think its pretty safe to say that SLI > Xfire. I dont use either, but I definitely take into consideration the multi-GPU capabilities of a card when I purchase one. I knew Xfire wasnt the best way to implement multi-GPU, but this is disappointing (although much more disappointing to those who actually bought it and enjoy BF2).

Would I say Nvidia is superior because of this issue? No.

Have a seen enough evidence, that I feel any reasonable, unbiased individual would say that SLI is superior to Crossfire? Yes.

I'll go that far. You can pickup a first gen SLI product (GF6) and you dont have memory issues, or 1600x1200 resolution limitations to worry about. Just works. On the entire product line from top to bottom.
And same for GF7800 and soon the GF7900s.
I dont think I blew it out of proportion. As I reread this thread, it seems like a lot of people jumping on me, rather than anyone wanting to discuss anything about the memory limit being hardware based or fixable by a driver update.

What I meant when I said its a hardware limitation, but of course I was needlessly flamed for saying that, because thats how most of you guys work here..
is that a Xfire design flaw PROBABLY caused this quirk in the drivers to exist with the memory limitation.

I dont think its a case of poor driver support from ATI, I dont think this can be fixed. My guess is that its a sloppy design issue on Crossfires part.

It wont be fixed until they basically copy SLI, license it, or create something new and better. I'm not sure how to top SLI from an engineering standpoint, but ATI needs to do it if its possible.

I do know Rollo posted tidbits about drivers and other issues, but he was a good counterbalance to this violent ATI mob that exists on this forum. And he was amusing, at least. Some here are so dry and seem to lack life in their posts.. no vibrance what so ever. Rollo had charisma, and thats undeniable.. love or hate the man.

He dominated most of you (Ackmed, Creig, among others) through his wit, and that (of course) leaves a bitter taste in many peoples mouths. Would me too, but at least I could admit the hate that most hide behind a thin veil of "doing justice". Right.
It was revenge, nothing more. And any sense of justice was lost in the process by the hatred from those Rollo dominated so frequently.
Did he do things wrong? Yes. But the crux of the matter is how he has 4X the charisma anyone else has here.. and always had pretty good information due to his insider connections.
Yes, I liked Rollo. I enjoyed him. Sorry that bothers so many of crew ATI. Too bad.
I, personally do not care about the morons who choose to flame me. I'll respond to people who seem to have something of a head on their shoulders (you seemed worthy of a response).. but the kids?
No thanks. I have a great job and a great girlfriend, and other things to do.

But I'll enjoy posting about Video Hardware, and there is absolutely none of you can do about it as long as I follow the rules.
Just to make that clear. Oh, and I wont be going anywhere.. and I wont be returning your flames.
I'm not like you guys, and we are not the same. I'm going to discuss computer hardware (pro-ATI, pro-Nvidia, or pro-Intel) whether its just me and one person.. or the whole forum.

I posted this for replies on the actual subject, not to hear about me being a shill.
If I'm a shill, I'm no more a shill than half the members within ATV.
Like my comment about most of you being gone with Rollo (if the rules were enforced), there are clearly more ATI shills here than there ever have been Nvidia shills.

The good guys, like Keys who simply like Nvidia.. but are clearly not "shills".. are lying low it seems. Probably to avoid this kind of ridiculous treatment from a bunch of pubescent teenagers (or people who choose to act like one).

Have a good night FD, I have to get up early in the morning for work.

 

[5150Joker]

Crusader, you're the same moron that was advocating AEG and other shill marketers flood this forum. Your opinions mean nothing and I still think you're Rollo on another ISP.

 

[Munky]

This is exactly the kind of crap tRollo would post if he was here. In fact, he's over at Hardforums right now badmouthing crossfire, and how it's default rendering mode (tiling) does not scale geometry. This is the kind of crap that an unsuspecting reader might believe, when tRollo doesnt tell him that:
1. Split frame rendering also does not scale geometry, and
2. Geometry performance is not the limiting factor in any modern card in any modern game

It looks like he just reads some Nv marketing slides and then goes around preaching what he read without realy understanding the issue, and making a big deal out of it. The resemblance between tRollo and the OP is unmistakable. And BTW, SLI has it's own long list of issues, so neither Crossfire nor SLI is without issues.

 

[villageidiot111]

Originally posted by: Crusader
What I meant when I said its a hardware limitation, but of course I was needlessly flamed for saying that, because thats how most of you guys work here..
is that a Xfire design flaw PROBABLY caused this quirk in the drivers to exist with the memory limitation.

I dont think its a case of poor driver support from ATI, I dont think this can be fixed. My guess is that its a sloppy design issue on Crossfires part.

How would you have any idea what the problem is? Assumptions like this are bad information. If you have any proof, please share it. Until then, do not spout random speculations on the source of this problem.

 

[fierydemise]

I usually hate this but your post is so eclectic that in this case it is necessary

Originally posted by: Crusader
In my defense, I dont think I claimed "Nvidia superiority". This is my original post

Crusader if your going to quote something make sure it doesn't contradict your claim

I think its pretty safe to say that SLI > Xfire

That looks to me like claiming SLI's and indirectly nVidia's superiority

Would I say Nvidia is superior because of this issue? No.

Good you're reasonable

Have a seen enough evidence, that I feel any reasonable, unbiased individual would say that SLI is superior to Crossfire? Yes.

In some areas I agree, SLI scales better and doesn't have as many issues with it now but Crossfire's AA is more efficient which is a definate advantage.

I'll go that far. You can pickup a first gen SLI product (GF6) and you dont have memory issues, or 1600x1200 resolution limitations to worry about. Just works. On the entire product line from top to bottom.

Of course not those were the issues crossfire had but SLI did have its fair share of problems originally.
From AT
Xbit too
SLI had a lot of little issues at the beginning they were all eventually fixed but claiming SLI "just works" is an exaggeration, just off the top of my head I can remember there was the widescreen issue, the HDR issue that as far as I know isn't fixed yet, SLI is a good tech but like anything new it wasn't perfect at launch.

I dont think I blew it out of proportion. As I reread this thread, it seems like a lot of people jumping on me, rather than anyone wanting to discuss anything about the memory limit being hardware based or fixable by a driver update.

As bulldog put very well in his post, this issue isn't going to effect that many people, only those who own an XL and XT and I would guess that there aren?t that many of them out there, but you say "if I was a Crossfire customer if I'd like that solution" implying that all crossfire customers are effected, blowing the issue out of proportion.

People are jumping on you because we realize that it is a minor issue that you decided to post to bash ATI. You say nothing about wanting to discuss whether or not it is a driver or hardware issue in the OP so how can you claim that is the purpose of the thread?

What I meant when I said its a hardware limitation, but of course I was needlessly flamed for saying that, because thats how most of you guys work here..
is that a Xfire design flaw PROBABLY caused this quirk in the drivers to exist with the memory limitation.

No we don't just automatically flame, notice how the first posts were addressing the issue at hand (not that there really was one, the OP was just bashing ATI). One thing we do like here is proof, you have just made a blanket statement saying its a hardware issue with no justification or explanation of your reasoning.

I dont think its a case of poor driver support from ATI, I dont think this can be fixed. My guess is that its a sloppy design issue on Crossfires part.

I love how you assume that this is either an issue of poor driver support or sloppy design, you don't consider that ATI just learned about the issue and will solve it in their next driver release.

It wont be fixed until they basically copy SLI, license it, or create something new and better. I'm not sure how to top SLI from an engineering standpoint, but ATI needs to do it if its possible.

Again with the unsubstantiated statements, if you're going to make a guess atleast indicate that it is a guess. Crossfire is a fine implementation with advantages and disadvantages, if ATI picked up SLI's design we wouldn't see the race for innovation we see now.

I do know Rollo posted tidbits about drivers and other issues, but he was a good counterbalance to this violent ATI mob that exists on this forum. And he was amusing, at least. Some here are so dry and seem to lack life in their posts.. no vibrance what so ever. Rollo had charisma, and thats undeniable.. love or hate the man.

Rollo posted inside information from nVidia occasionally at best, and I'm not sure what you mean by the "violent ATI mob" there are fanboys on both sides neither are more combative then the other. Rollo did add some levity to things, but so did other people, remember Joker's "better then Sander" R520 results or his R520 leafblower pic? Rollo wasn't a charismatic guy like you claim he was a nice guy but so are many on these forums. Sometimes things can get a little dry but I'll take dry and informative to inflammatory and useless any day.

He dominated most of you (Ackmed, Creig, among others) through his wit, and that (of course) leaves a bitter taste in many peoples mouths. Would me too, but at least I could admit the hate that most hide behind a thin veil of "doing justice". Right.

Dominated? You must have been lurking on a different forum then me, I saw Rollo make good points at times and grasp at straws on others. Rollo was just like alot of the fanboys on both sides, incendiary with an occasional good point he was a standout only because he was vocal and posted alot of threads.

Also most of the people calling for Rollo's banning weren't people who hated Rollo, Joker had many civil exchanges as did many others (I'm too lazy to go dig up names), you disagreed with the AEG thing so you're trying to characterize it as something it wasn't.

Did he do things wrong? Yes. But the crux of the matter is how he has 4X the charisma anyone else has here.. and always had pretty good information due to his insider connections.

More "rollo is/was charismatic" he wasn't he was a nice guy and at times a funny guy but a fanboy no less, as for his insider information the only thing I can remember is the Purevideo and 512MB GTX things thats not alot of insider information.

Yes, I liked Rollo. I enjoyed him. Sorry that bothers so many of crew ATI. Too bad.
I, personally do not care about the morons who choose to flame me. I'll respond to people who seem to have something of a head on their shoulders (you seemed worthy of a response).. but the kids?
No thanks. I have a great job and a great girlfriend, and other things to do.

You really don't need to tell us you liked Rollo, we can tell based on your long discussion of how great of a guy he was. Thats not what bothers people, what bothers people is that you are taking a relatively small issue and making it out to be a major flaw.

But I'll enjoy posting about Video Hardware, and there is absolutely none of you can do about it as long as I follow the rules.
Just to make that clear. Oh, and I wont be going anywhere.. and I wont be returning your flames.
I'm not like you guys, and we are not the same. I'm going to discuss computer hardware (pro-ATI, pro-Nvidia, or pro-Intel) whether its just me and one person.. or the whole forum.

I'm glad you enjoy posting about video hardware, that makes you just like me and I'm guessing alot of other people here. You are the same as any fanboy, I have yet to see you make one post that is kind to ATI, you can keep hiding behind the "thin veil" of discussing computer hardware but its pretty clear to everyone that you are an nVidia fanboy.

I posted this for replies on the actual subject, not to hear about me being a shill.
If I'm a shill, I'm no more a shill than half the members within ATV.
Like my comment about most of you being gone with Rollo (if the rules were enforced), there are clearly more ATI shills here than there ever have been Nvidia shills.

You might not be accused of being a shill if you didn't compliment Rollo so much, complimenting someone in nearly every post is usually the sign of some form of affiliation (see intelia). Quit using the terms shill and fanboy interchangeably, a fanboy is a rabid fan, a shill is compensated they may do the same thing but their motivations are very different. The only admitted shill on AT is Rollo, unless you can provide proof that someone else is a shill, don't call them that.

The good guys, like Keys who simply like Nvidia.. but are clearly not "shills".. are lying low it seems.

Keys isn't lying low, he's been posting alot on the AT video constructive combat thread and in CPU (thats where I've seen him).

Probably to avoid this kind of ridiculous treatment from a bunch of pubescent teenagers (or people who choose to act like one).

whoops what ever happened to

I wont be returning your flames.

 

[tuteja1986]

Is Crusader the next Rollo or do we call him blind nvidia fanboy fool and just flame his ass when he makes stupid thread and post up crap.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Is rollo banned?

 

[tuteja1986]

amm yeah i am pretty sure he was banned on arround 11th and then came a new user "Crusader" Joined @ 02/12/2006. His Codename was rollo and he is on a Crusade against ATI.

 

[CrispyFried]

Originally posted by: Crusader
What I meant when I said its a hardware limitation, but of course I was needlessly flamed for saying that, because thats how most of you guys work here..
is that a Xfire design flaw PROBABLY caused this quirk in the drivers to exist with the memory limitation.

I dont think its a case of poor driver support from ATI, I dont think this can be fixed. My guess is that its a sloppy design issue on Crossfires part.

It wont be fixed until they basically copy SLI, license it, or create something new and better. I'm not sure how to top SLI from an engineering standpoint, but ATI needs to do it if its possible.

you are an engineer? please tell us the technical flaws.

I am NOT an engineer but my guess that is a software issue is based on the fact that crossfire memory limitations have not cropped up in other games and resolutions.

please defend you claims.

 

[sellmen]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
amm yeah i am pretty sure he was banned on arround 11th and then came a new user "Crusader" Joined @ 02/12/2006. His Codename was rollo and he is on a Crusade against ATI.

Rollo wasn't banned, at least not yet. He left because he was getting constantly flamed.

Of course, right as he leaves, "Crusader" registers after supposedly lurking here for six years and immediately starts doing the exact same things Rollo did. Still trying to earn his AEG bonus, I suppose.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: sellmen

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
amm yeah i am pretty sure he was banned on arround 11th and then came a new user "Crusader" Joined @ 02/12/2006. His Codename was rollo and he is on a Crusade against ATI.

Rollo wasn't banned, at least not yet. He left because he was getting constantly flamed.

Of course, right as he leaves, "Crusader" registers after supposedly lurking here for six years and immediately starts doing the exact same things Rollo did. Still trying to earn his AEG bonus, I suppose.

Do you have any proof of this? If you don't, keep that pie hole shut or land yourself in trouble. If you got evidence, show it and let everyone else see it.

The Crossfire Bug sounds like a Driver Issue but then again, EA aren't very good on the software side lately are they, lol.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
The Crossfire Bug sounds like a Driver Issue but then again, EA aren't very good on the software side lately are they, lol.

I completely agree. That was one thing I was going to point out.. if any game probably uses ridiculous amounts of video memory (along with system RAM), with subpar results.. its probably BF2.
When QuakeWars gets here, I'll be ditching BF2.

 

[Bobthelost]

EA have never been good about bugs and fixes ime.

 

[tuteja1986]

the funny thing is if it was a some other guy then he would be saying "WHO IS ROLLO ?" and ALSO "I AM NOT ROLL .... " ect.

 

[sellmen]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: sellmen

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
amm yeah i am pretty sure he was banned on arround 11th and then came a new user "Crusader" Joined @ 02/12/2006. His Codename was rollo and he is on a Crusade against ATI.

Rollo wasn't banned, at least not yet. He left because he was getting constantly flamed.

Of course, right as he leaves, "Crusader" registers after supposedly lurking here for six years and immediately starts doing the exact same things Rollo did. Still trying to earn his AEG bonus, I suppose.

Do you have any proof of this? If you don't, keep that pie hole shut or land yourself in trouble. If you got evidence, show it and let everyone else see it.

The Crossfire Bug sounds like a Driver Issue but then again, EA aren't very good on the software side lately are they, lol.

Proof of what? Proof that Crusader = Rollo?
Read his posts, it's so blatantly obvious. Cruader is either Rollo or another AEG shill. tRollo was the only one on this board constantly making posts like this, taking potshots at ATI.

 

[fierydemise]

Why do we have to start another witch hunt, Crusader is a fanboy but as far as we know now he isn't an AEG shill so leave him alone

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
the funny thing is if it was a some other guy then he would be saying "WHO IS ROLLO ?" and ALSO "I AM NOT ROLL .... " ect.

LOL

I have an idea who this guy might be, but I think it's funny you all think he's me.

I don't have any other accounts here, I'm just choosing not to post here anymore as I do this for fun, and it's no fun with some of you jumping down my throat.

I apologized for not disclosing my AEG ties, given my reasons, and pointed out the many ways I made my nVidia ties known from day one, so I feel I'm square with this board.

Those interested in what I have to say can find it at HardOCP and Firing Squad, those who aren't, I wish you well. No hard feelings on my part, I really enjoyed my time here and getting to know many of you.

:beer:

I'll still pop in to read, maybe use FS/FT, but don't plan on being a part of this forum.

 

[mwmorph]

Rollo is not as bad. He studies stuff and though he is biased, he is informally biased.
He wont just make stuff up out of his arse and say something. He researches a point and then makes a biased judgement, which though still not as good as say only a minorly biased judgement(lets face it we all have preferences, I instinctively root for the undog and thus, I am at least a little ATI/AMD biased most of the time), is nowhere as bas as crusader's posts, all ~60 of which make little ot no sense.

btw, for all of you that get worked up, get firefox, install grease monkey, and thne install this:
http://tylerkaraszewski.com/2005/03/18/greasemonkey-script-for-anandtech-forums/

I dont personally use it but it does allow you to hide posts and threads started by members you put in the block list. Right now, the default list is myjaja.

 

[Neavo]

quote:
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
OMG you convinced me not to buy ATI products anymore!


Me too, I'll go out and buy a 7800GTX, it's obviously superior to a X1900XT.



this dude.... is a serious idiot.
I know a bunch of you are Nvidia lovers, i was once too!
but, this dude has his facts all wrong. the 7800 GTX's arent all taht great,
and i know that the X1900XTX isnt that great either, H.owever, the X1900 XTX
is definately superior to the measly 7800GTX. mabe thatll change with the new 7900.
but honestly, with them at battle, there will be a new card comming out everymonth, and the
7800 will be obsolete in like 4 months anyway. that card sux as it is, i have a SLI setup with two of em,
well me mom does anyways, and it sux man! so, for the dude that says its superior, hes an idiot