ATI going down soon?

[NOX]

"ATI Posts Larger Than Expected Loss
The troubles besetting ATI Technologies worsened as the graphics chip manufacturer posted a third-quarter fiscal 2001 loss that was deeper than it had warned. Toronto-based ATI reported a net loss of 10 cents per share, larger than the forecast of 6 to 7 cents. ATI said a worldwide computer component shortage, competitors' cost-cutting and a transition to new products all ate into its revenues and profit margins in the quarter.

Sales were $288.2 million, a drop of 4.6 percent from $302 million in third-quarter fiscal 2000. In the third quarter, ATI said its net loss was $23.1 million versus a profit of $35.9 million in third-quarter fiscal 2000. The corporation said it endured a $64 million charge in the quarter to write off excess and slow-moving inventories and a $24 million charge for customer programs intended to encourage sales of its older product lines. The net loss for the quarter was $128.8 million compared to a net profit of $18.6 million in third-quarter fiscal 2000."

Radeon looks to be their last hope.

 

[Czar]

Thats bad, very bad. That means ATI and 3dfx are going down with only one last hope. nVidia, Matrox and S3 are left, maybe we will see an IBM or Microsoft effect.

 

[CyberSax]

What happened to the Rage6? That looked like a promising card. I'm never buying an S3 card, because of the problems I had with my Savage 4. And Matrox never delivers top of the line 3d cards, but charges a premium price for it's supposedly superior 2D.

 

[Haribo]

"Radeon looks to be their last hope."

Are you st_pid, ATI is the biggest Graphics card manufacturer out there, or at least one of them!

They get most of their profit from oem wins, putting their chip in portables and prebuilt office systems.

I'm not sure about this but I don't think the hardcore Graphics card is a big % in their income.

But I could be wrong.

 

[Czar]

ATI is still the biggest OEM seller but nVidia has been catching up so fast lately that ATI hasnt managed to cut down and therefor is still functioning like it has a bigger share of the OEMs.

 

[NOX]

Haribo:

Uhh...is that why their losing money faster then the can get a competitive card on the market! OEM, bla, bla, bla?Matrox and Nvidia are right there too, were you been these past months?

 

[Haribo]

Well it's not as bad as Radeon being their last hope, right?

 

[Haribo]

The thing is that they don't need a competitive card to keep the oem's, just a fairly good card and they'll ride on their name!

 

[NOX]

Well, maybe it's not their last hope, but I?m sure that card needs to be competitive to survive, and nothing like the Rage Fury MAXXXXXXXXX!!!!! OOOOOOO?

 

[NOX]

So why are they losing money if they have such a strong hold on the OEM market?

 

[NOX]

Well, some companies are just so big, and have so much money I guess they can afford to lose some once in a while?

 

[Haribo]

That was all I wanted from you NOX

They're not going down anytime soon!
But right now they're not doing to good.

 

[Haribo]

"Well, some companies are just so big, and have so much money I guess they can afford to lose some once in a while?"

Yepp, just look at Intel

 

[Sephiroth_IX]

Not really... Noone can afford to keep losing money, which is what they are going to be doing considering that together Matrox and Nvidia does everything that ATi does, better.

 

[Haribo]

That's right, but he said "once in a while?"

And I didn't say ATI, Intel is losing alot of money and they can keep doing it for a long time before they die. They're BIG.

But yeah ATI has to get their shít together, but they defenetly will do that.

 

[Pocatello]

I haven't heard anything about intel losing money. I thought the company had another record earning quarter.

 

[Sunner]

Actually, I think nVidia passed ATi in terms of OEM sales recently, I think it was on Yahoo or something.

 

[ButanGas]

I feel sorry for ATI.. Their card didn't perform very well but had a absolutely best image quality in my opinion.

 

[KDOG]

No!! Say it isn't so!!! I don't think ATI is going down, per say. They may have to restructure or something, but won't drop off the face of the earth. They have alot going for them right now, awesome image quality, killer DVD and great compatability. Heck, the XPERT 98 is still selling like crazy 'cause of its hardware DVD, etc and it can be had dirt cheap.

Nah, don't do 'em like that.

 

[randypj]

IMO, NVDA is just going to continue making inroads. They've done it with good product support (like drivers every week), competitive pricing as needed, excellent product.

Compare 'em to 3dfx. LOL. 3dfx thought they had it made on name only. DUH.

Yep, I've made a BIG play on NVDA. They will either make me rich or I'll get to start over from GO. So, maybe I'm biased. I just have not seen them do anything wrong.
--Randy

 

[ragiepew]

NVDA has done plenty of things wrong... anyone remember the original TNT specs? when the card actually shipped it sucked compared to the promised specs from NVDA. the TNT2U was what the original TNT should have been. I know that they are doing better now but three/four years ago you would have all been saying all of this great stuff about 3dfx... no one coulda touched them then. Same thing could happen to NVDA. They are not Intel, plain and simple... they can be taken out w/in a year. If 3dfx, ATi, matrox, via/s3... whatever, comes out w/ a product that murders the nv20 (not likely this year anyway) NVDA would be a forgotten memory quick. Its exactly whats happening to ATi right now.

 

[Sunner]

Rage, the TNT was not a screwup in any way.
It was WAY overhyped, yes, but it was nVidias first really good OEM product, and I believe they sold a ton of them.

 

[Pocatello]

You may dished the TNT, but nVidia has gained its current success because of the TNT. The other companies have a hard time keeping up with nVidia's 6-month cycle. Even though the products are not revolutionary, there is always something new to buzz about. That's the thing with the hi-tech world, if people are not talking about you, you're finished.

 

[randypj]

LOL...ragiepew. Still using a Banshee I imagine? Come to think of it, the machine I'm using at this minute has a 16MB PCI Banshee as it's card. Not a bad card. Yeah, there are still a few that think 3dfx will rise again--I'm not one.

3/4 years ago. That was then. 3dfx lacked the vision that nVidia has shown. Glide. Buy STB lock them and your product up. What were they thinking?

Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me, I gotta get my Ultra back from my bro' this weekend. He gets one of my TNT's.
--Randy

 

[ragiepew]

now i never said that the tnt was a bad card... hell i drolled over one for quite some time... but i just think that NVDA made a mistake of lying to their customers. I also dont think that 3dfx will rise again, i just simply stated them to make a point. NVDA is in a great position now, who knows how long this will last... you all should know not to take the technology market for granted...

btw: i have a v3 3k... im a cheap bastard who'd rather wait for a gf1 DDR to get ~150 before i upgrade...

alin