ATI hires HRC PR Firm

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: Sc4freak
Viral marketing comes in many forms...

It isn't as if when I walk up to a friend and say, "I prefer ATI cards" the response should be, "OMG viral marketing! You are bad! You are unwanted! You must die now, heathen!"

QFT

Paranoia and McCarthyism are still alive and well on the Internet. Having not participated in or seen the Rollo flamewars, I view the aftermath and the hard feelings in a different light than many who've posted in this thread. From what I can tell, the fiasco occurred months ago, but the accusations are still flying fast and furious.

IMO the forums would be better off if people just settled down, left this thread, and dealt with each other on a post-by-post basis. It's all too easy to create grand conspiracy theories, and this thread simply reeks of overgeneralization. Discretion is the better part of valor, as they say. Sometimes you have to let up when you're in the right.

That said, I have been drawn into my share of flamewars...

 

[skooma]

LOL, that was said many times during the AEG thread yet the thread went over 1,000 replies

Fact is, all the outrage and horror displayed by many members then has turned to apaathy now that ATI is on the hook. Thats why people like topweael, beggarking and to some degree myself are disgusted.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Just like I believe this issue has been ignited by trolling from that of members from the other camp (ATI).

Or because the Nv trolls are seeking revenge on the Ati trolls.

No, I read his posts, saw the wars, and am not trying to downplay his role. I'm just curious why his posts were so much worse than other trolls we have on this board, and I'm wondering if maybe it's those certain trolls' affiliation that have an impact on you. Such that, I've seen you lock horns with Rollo, but can't say I've seen you debate Joker or Ackmed very often. In fact, I've never seen that, but maybe I'm just trying to "downplay" that situation.

Nobody on this board is as bad as Rollo. Not only was he a blatant Nv evangelist and flip-flop, but he took every oportunity to pimp his free SLI rigs while comparing other people's older cards to an equivalent of a primitive Voodoo 2. That kind of attitude didnt fly too well with me.

So in other words, get the news out about nVidia and AEG, but when anything similiar comes out about ATI and whatever viral marketing they associate with, we'll just assume everyone knows about it. Right?

Those are your words, not mine.

Correctly identified Rollo as an AEG agent....is that just a fancy way of saying they told you, and you had no reason not to believe them?

No, it means they expressed the same suspicion I had all along.

In which case, why is it so hard to believe that there might be other "viral marketing" employees inhabiting this board? After all, if this incident has hit close to home, like you say, wouldn't you be more adament about this ploy, and more enraged. You seem to be quite content with it, to be honest. Maybe the frusteration has subsided in these recent weeks, eh?

There may be other viral marketing employees on this board. From both camps.

Keep bashing Rollo, but you won't get far. We're way past that point,

of course you are... by circumventing that point by a 50 mile radius

but you still seem to be dwindling onto it, thinking it will continue to be your justification for behavior I'm dubbing fishy, for lack of a better word.

I dont need justification for my behavior regarding Rollo. But you will need a much stronger case if you're gonna accuse me of being a viral marketing shill.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: thilan29
And it starts...

Shame on ATI for hiring a PR firm that does viral marketing, although it probably helps their bottom line, didn't they learn something from the backlash against NVidia/AEG??

what backlash? i sincerely doubt a few fanboys being up in arms about it is really a concern. do you really think they care about < 1% of the market?

don't think nvidia has stopped, either.

 

[the Chase]

Originally posted by: skooma
LOL, that was said many times during the AEG thread yet the thread went over 1,000 replies

Fact is, all the outrage and horror displayed by many members then has turned to apaathy now that ATI is on the hook. Thats why people like topweael, beggarking and to some degree myself are disgusted.

Fairly personal for someone who has been participating for just over a month. Which is OK as I followed the AEG threads with interest as they unfolded without participating in them.

You and Topweasel keep saying "ATI is on the hook". You make it sound like you have proof that HRC and/or ATI have people planted here, receiving free hardware, to blatantly advertise for ATI and discredit Nvidia products.

This is not the case. It could develop into that in which case I would gladly discredit the people/forum members involved. And I think 50%+ of the "Fanatics" that Topweasel has named would do the same.

I don't like the fact that ATI has hired this company as they include viral marketing in their stradegy. What form and to what degree they will take this viral marketing to nobody but HRC and ATI know right now.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky
Rollo did openly admit to being an AEG shill, after denying it for a long time. I'm not gonna hunt for the thread, and it's probably deleted by now, but anyone who was here when it happend knows it. In light of that fact, there's no need for me to comment on the rest of your post...

You didn't believe him when he denied, then why did you believe him when he admits? double standard..

1. Because his posting habits made him a suspect long before he admitted
2. Because he would be insane to admit being an AEG shill when he really wasn't

calling that a double standard is a stretch by far...

1. Joker is worse
2. Does it really make a difference? He denied it and you guys don't believe him anywayz.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
you are an ATI shill and have always being. don't flipflop and try to act innocent. I've never seen you make a pro Nvidia statement.

BFG10K has a 7800GT I think so that is as much a pro-NVidia statement as you can get.

show me one.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky
Rollo did openly admit to being an AEG shill, after denying it for a long time. I'm not gonna hunt for the thread, and it's probably deleted by now, but anyone who was here when it happend knows it. In light of that fact, there's no need for me to comment on the rest of your post...

You didn't believe him when he denied, then why did you believe him when he admits? double standard..

1. Because his posting habits made him a suspect long before he admitted
2. Because he would be insane to admit being an AEG shill when he really wasn't

calling that a double standard is a stretch by far...

1. Joker is worse
2. Does it really make a difference? He denied it and you guys don't believe him anywayz.

How the hell did you get your post count? Can't be any of the useful information you provided.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: redbox

?what?s that? Oh, ya that must be reason?. And what?s this?an intelligent comment not full of hate!? Wow, even an apology umm several apologies!?! This can?t be in video can it? I must be dreaming. Oh! Auntie Em.?

Come on Beggerking are you still going to call him a fanATIc?

People who gather up to accuse people of being Nvidia AEG Aff, only because they don't agree with them ATI is "the good side" while Nvidia is "the dark side", is in my opinion fanATIc. This is exactly what happened in the previous AEG Thread.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: thilan29


Huh?? There is a very big difference between someone's rig specs and posting hot deals in their sigs. The hot deals can be verified just by going to the site. However, you can't verify anything about someone's rig specs. IIRC(and this is just an example, I'm not making a big deal out of it), Rollo bragged about buying some SLI set and was asked to post up a receipt of the sale. He couldn't do it though and obviously we know why...cause he didn't buy it.

And why does he have to post the receipts to prove he bought the rig?

um because then it proves it wasn't provided to him by ATI or Nvidia.

don't see you asking Joker to show his receipt.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: beggerking
show me one.

Go to the new nvidia driver thread. page 2 for me.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: thilan29


Huh?? There is a very big difference between someone's rig specs and posting hot deals in their sigs. The hot deals can be verified just by going to the site. However, you can't verify anything about someone's rig specs. IIRC(and this is just an example, I'm not making a big deal out of it), Rollo bragged about buying some SLI set and was asked to post up a receipt of the sale. He couldn't do it though and obviously we know why...cause he didn't buy it.

And why does he have to post the receipts to prove he bought the rig?

That wasn't the point I was trying to make...I was just proving the difference between posting rig specs and hot deals in your sig.

YOU said something to the effect "Why should I believe 5150's hot deals??" more than Rollo's rig specs and all I'm saying is you can verify hot deals but not someone's rig specs...thats all I'm saying. Read the bolded part. I was just using it as an example.

signature is used to show personal rig information, why does he have he "verify" to you?
Joker used signature as a marketing device for ATI (he only post ATI), so its an ATI marketing tool rather than a "hot deal". Get your fact straight.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: beggerking

Here you are witch hunting again just as you were in the AEG thread. you are the troll here.

Witch hunting? Funny, Trollo used that term while he was denying being an AEG agent and getting others banned for "lying" about him.

Your registration date is also quite interesting as well, as is the fact that you're defending Trollo and Crusader. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out you and Crusader and two more of Trollo's alter-egos that haven't been caught out yet.

As for Crusader, he just happened to register when the AEG thread was in full swing for the sole apparent purpose to defend Trollo. Since then he's done but nothing but post pro-nV propaganda including a ridiculous signature second only to Trollo's "fair and balanced" one.

It's too much of a coincidence, don't you think?

you are an ATI shill and have always being.

False.

I've never seen you make a pro Nvidia statement.

Blindness and/or stupidity is your problem, not mine.

From what I've seen, you are Pro-ATI as well. BFG is an fanATIc and so are you.

And you would be... what exactly? Fair and balanced? :roll:

more of your "suspecion of AEG aff"? is that all you can contribute? to try to witchhunt people ?

don't see you do the same for ATI HRC.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: skooma
LOL, that was said many times during the AEG thread yet the thread went over 1,000 replies

Fact is, all the outrage and horror displayed by many members then has turned to apaathy now that ATI is on the hook. Thats why people like topweael, beggarking and to some degree myself are disgusted.

QFT.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Topweasel


Apoppin you yourself Called me immoral because I was disgusted by Nvidia's actions. Where is your disgust. Where is that vile that you spewed before.

immoral? . . . i don't remember that . . . where?

in case you missed it
[again]

here's my disgust ---> :disgust:



what more do you want?
:roll:

EDIT: skimming this thread i see you guys noticed i am not here much anymore.

Well, i have 450 hours into Oblivion and am STILL loving it and i already have the Video "setup" i need [unless we see an x1900xtx in AGP, i won't upgrade for another year or so] . . . .so i don't need anything . . . and with Rollo gone, i am less "needed".

plus i am really really [really] tired of all the CRAP in video
:Q

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Zstream
How the hell did you get your post count? Can't be any of the useful information you provided.

obviously you are not useful either.

search my name is software/programming thread
and sickbeastMark thread.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel


Apoppin you yourself Called me immoral because I was disgusted by Nvidia's actions. Where is your disgust. Where is that vile that you spewed before.

immoral? . . . i don't remember that . . . where?

in case you missed it
[again]

here's my disgust ---> :disgust:



what more do you want?
:roll:

You were a bloodhound when it was AEG/NV

How many posts did you have about it, 100? I bet thats close.

You yourself said if it was ATI doing viral marketing you'd be "harder" on them.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: thilan29
And it starts...

Shame on ATI for hiring a PR firm that does viral marketing, although it probably helps their bottom line, didn't they learn something from the backlash against NVidia/AEG??

what backlash? i sincerely doubt a few fanboys being up in arms about it is really a concern. do you really think they care about < 1% of the market?

don't think nvidia has stopped, either.

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: thilan29
And it starts...

Shame on ATI for hiring a PR firm that does viral marketing, although it probably helps their bottom line, didn't they learn something from the backlash against NVidia/AEG??

backlash??? a few hardware freaks got pissed off and now look how bad their 7900 series are selling!!! The are probably going to go under soon.

I meant backlash as in bad publicity...not a company in ruins...the same way ATI I don't think will be affected with what goes on in these forums.

Missed my post about that by a page mate.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky
Rollo did openly admit to being an AEG shill, after denying it for a long time. I'm not gonna hunt for the thread, and it's probably deleted by now, but anyone who was here when it happend knows it. In light of that fact, there's no need for me to comment on the rest of your post...

You didn't believe him when he denied, then why did you believe him when he admits? double standard..

1. Because his posting habits made him a suspect long before he admitted
2. Because he would be insane to admit being an AEG shill when he really wasn't

calling that a double standard is a stretch by far...

1. Joker is worse

List some examples of how Joker is worse

2. Does it really make a difference? He denied it and you guys don't believe him anywayz.

There's a big difference between denying your involvement when you're guilty and confessing to something which you're not guilty of. What possible motive could he have had to confess to being AEG if he really wasn't.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: skooma

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Topweasel


Apoppin you yourself Called me immoral because I was disgusted by Nvidia's actions. Where is your disgust. Where is that vile that you spewed before.

immoral? . . . i don't remember that . . . where?

in case you missed it
[again]

here's my disgust ---> :disgust:



what more do you want?
:roll:

You were a bloodhound when it was AEG/NV

How many posts did you have about it, 100? I bet thats close.

You yourself said if it was ATI doing viral marketing you'd be "harder" on them.

i originated that topic.

yes, but i am bored as hell with you guys and these endless fruitless [and stupid] flaming topics.

i dropped out here over a month ago
[and frankly i don't miss MOST of you . . . nVidiot or fanATIc]
. . . i have simply lost interest in Video
[although i will continue to follow this thread and see HOW ati implements it]

let me REPEAT . . . IF ATi's Viral Marketing is TRANSPARENT - ALL associated posters DISCLOSE their affiliation, then i am [mostly] OK with it . . .

AEG/nVidia's Viral Marketing is NOT transparent.

we'll see "how" disgusted i get with ATi - or not.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: thilan29
Huh?? There is a very big difference between someone's rig specs and posting hot deals in their sigs. The hot deals can be verified just by going to the site. However, you can't verify anything about someone's rig specs. IIRC(and this is just an example, I'm not making a big deal out of it), Rollo bragged about buying some SLI set and was asked to post up a receipt of the sale. He couldn't do it though and obviously we know why...cause he didn't buy it.

And why does he have to post the receipts to prove he bought the rig?

That wasn't the point I was trying to make...I was just proving the difference between posting rig specs and hot deals in your sig.

YOU said something to the effect "Why should I believe 5150's hot deals??" more than Rollo's rig specs and all I'm saying is you can verify hot deals but not someone's rig specs...thats all I'm saying. Read the bolded part. I was just using it as an example.

signature is used to show personal rig information, why does he have he "verify" to you?
Joker used signature as a marketing device for ATI (he only post ATI), so its an ATI marketing tool rather than a "hot deal". Get your fact straight.

Dear lord...do you actually read anyone's post or speed read and latch on to key words.

Here, I'll say it again:
YOU said something to the effect "Why should I believe 5150's hot deals??" more than Rollo's rig specs and all I'm saying is you can verify hot deals but not someone's rig specs...thats all I'm saying. Read the bolded part. I was just using it as an example.

YOU (Note I said YOU) are the one who said you are less inclined to believe 5150's hot deals to Rollos rig specs...all I said was you can verify one while you can't verify the other...that's IT...don't make arguments that are not there.

Jeez...it's nearly impossible to say ANYTHING without you missing the point completely.

Originally posted by: thilan29
I'm just trying to make a point to Beggerking...it may take a while though.

 

[nitromullet]

Nobody on this board is as bad as Rollo. Not only was he a blatant Nv evangelist and flip-flop, but he took every oportunity to pimp his free SLI rigs while comparing other people's older cards to an equivalent of a primitive Voodoo 2. That kind of attitude didnt fly too well with me.

Agreed. I think that is how many people felt. Rollo had a thing for posting a link to Aesop's Sour Grapes fable whenever someone said anything about how they woudln't ever buy an SLI rig, and he talked about the virues of working hard hard for your money to buy the things you wanted etc... I think after all the moral high road crap he spewed on this fourm to others, it was just a bit too much for people to take when they found out he was getting his hardware at "deep discounts". I for one ripped into him pretty hard once he did (finally) come clean, as I felt offended for having taken his side on a number of occasions. While my contempt for the idea of placing shills into forums remains, there was the hypocracy with Rollo in particualr that really made the AEG/NV thing more "personal" at the time than this current situation. I think the majority of the backlash on AT wasn't even directed towards NV, but towards Rollo himself. IMO, this the reason that you aren't seeing quite as much backlash this time around. Sure, you have a few fanATIcs, who post mostly blatant pro ATI stuff, but they aren't preaching morality to the rest of us at the same time, nor is there any evidence to indicate that any of the previously accused members are affiliated with ATI/HRC. The one person who has identified himself as an ATI beta tester has been here for a long time, identified himself as such, and generally doesn't get into the flamewars from what I can tell.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: munky
Rollo did openly admit to being an AEG shill, after denying it for a long time. I'm not gonna hunt for the thread, and it's probably deleted by now, but anyone who was here when it happend knows it. In light of that fact, there's no need for me to comment on the rest of your post...

You didn't believe him when he denied, then why did you believe him when he admits? double standard..

1. Because his posting habits made him a suspect long before he admitted
2. Because he would be insane to admit being an AEG shill when he really wasn't

calling that a double standard is a stretch by far...

1. Joker is worse

List some examples of how Joker is worse

2. Does it really make a difference? He denied it and you guys don't believe him anywayz.

There's a big difference between denying your involvement when you're guilty and confessing to something which you're not guilty of. What possible motive could he have had to confess to being AEG if he really wasn't.

1. OMG, please, don't pretend you don't know.
2. You asked him 1000 times, denied 999 times, admitted once, and he is guilty? really. What tangible evidence do you have? none! Maybe he is just tired of this board and fanATIcs who keep trying to ban/kick none-pro ATI users.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: munky

Or because the Nv trolls are seeking revenge on the Ati trolls.

Right, they're out to get you. :roll:

Nobody on this board is as bad as Rollo. Not only was he a blatant Nv evangelist and flip-flop, but he took every oportunity to pimp his free SLI rigs while comparing other people's older cards to an equivalent of a primitive Voodoo 2. That kind of attitude didnt fly too well with me.

I think it speaks volumes that you can bash Rollo so prominently, yet can't even acknowledge other members on this board just as bad as him (Ackmed and Joker). The only difference between them is that Rollo trolled for nVidia, and Ackmed / Joker troll for ATI.

Have you not been keeping up in this thread. Three times has Ackmed taken words out of context from AEG's site to bash them and use it as FUD, when in reality, the words he chose to c / p right off of the site had nothing to do with viral marketing, much less marketing at all. And that was just this in this one thread; so he could rip at AEG and somehow hold HRC to a higher standard.

It's these kinds of things that make people question you. You seem to be an adament guy on Rollo who trolled for nVidia, yet for people in the other camp, it's as if you just choose to look the other way.

I dont need justification for my behavior regarding Rollo. But you will need a much stronger case if you're gonna accuse me of being a viral marketing shill.

That's certainly not my case; i'm not going that far. I'm just accusing you, Ackmed, and Joker with "questionable" behavior on this board. But hey, if you want to bring up possible assocations between you and being a viral marketing shill, that's up to you.


EDIT: Spelling and grammar

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Dear lord...do you actually read anyone's post or speed read and latch on to key words.

Here, I'll say it again:
YOU said something to the effect "Why should I believe 5150's hot deals??" more than Rollo's rig specs and all I'm saying is you can verify hot deals but not someone's rig specs...thats all I'm saying. Read the bolded part. I was just using it as an example.

YOU (Note I said YOU) are the one who said you are less inclined to believe 5150's hot deals to Rollos rig specs...all I said was you can verify one while you can't verify the other...that's IT...don't make arguments that are not there.

Jeez...it's nearly impossible to say ANYTHING without you missing the point completely.

Originally posted by: thilan29


I'm just trying to make a point to Beggerking...it may take a while though.

YOU MISSED MY POINT!

a rig signature is a rig signature, it doesn't need to be verified and does not indicate AEG aff. Yet you have asked Rollo to show receipts???

a rig signature turned into an advertising tool is something different. I would say that is a sign of possible HRC marketing.(joker)


But the point is here is not to witch hunt HRC or Joker, its to educate you fanATIcs to not conduct in such senseless AEG witchhunt in the future, and to apologize to people who you have witch hunted in the AEG thread.