:thumbsup: x 1000Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
From myperspective it is of no consequence how the campaign is run. There shouldn't have been a witch hunt last time, there shouldn't be one now, or in the future. It is simply another excuse for those with an agenda to prosecute it.Originally posted by: geo1
I posted about this at B3D several hours before it appeared here (if I'm reading the times right).
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31020
"viral marketing" covers a very wide range of activities, not all of them offensive in my view. And, yes, I said the same thing re AEG. . .I was one of those who refused to throw "viral marketing" under the bus generically.
Transparency is the key, in my view. Will HRC/ATI be better that way? Too soon to tell. As I said at B3D, a good start with these High Road people would be in they actually show up in the community and talk about what they are doing, and what they won't do, rather than have to be dragged into the light as was the case with AEG.
Nothing corporations do from a proaganda standpoint offends me, because I expect them to do whatever they believe they can "get away with". Cynical? Yes, but that cynicism has repeatedly proven to be justified.
"Transparency" will only give the propaganda machine a positive spin option, since the vilification of the AEG agents was so well excuted. I sincerely believe there are viral marketers with a pro-ATI agenda already among us, and evey other major manu too. I find it difficult to except it is all just pom pom shaking, perhaps because that is so much more pitiable than being "on the take" in my mind.
Originally posted by: geo1
I posted about this at B3D several hours before it appeared here (if I'm reading the times right).
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31020
"viral marketing" covers a very wide range of activities, not all of them offensive in my view. And, yes, I said the same thing re AEG. . .I was one of those who refused to throw "viral marketing" under the bus generically.
Transparency is the key, in my view. Will HRC/ATI be better that way? Too soon to tell. As I said at B3D, a good start with these High Road people would be in they actually show up in the community and talk about what they are doing, and what they won't do, rather than have to be dragged into the light as was the case with AEG.
If they can get something that effective from HRC, whatever they have paid will be a bargain.Originally posted by: Howard
Dude! You're getting an ATI!
Nothing wrong with being a glass is half full person I am too, I'm just very suspicious about the contents of said glassWell, dapunisher, I'm a self-described pollyanna about such things.
Hope you don't mind if I save that for the evening, too early for brew.Originally posted by: skooma
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LMAO! Nice.Originally posted by: apoppin
ATi did say they would NEVER use Viral Marketing and said they would take the "high road" . . . now we know what they meant.
Very well said.Originally posted by: Topweasel
Originally posted by: munky
They're taking a page out of the Nvidia and Intel playbook: why waste money on expensive hardware that nobody buys when you can make cheap mediocre hardware and get sales by marketing? That's too bad, because after a certain point, the more marketing a company does, the more BS slips between the lines, and the less likely I am to buy their products.
I didn't read well enough when I skimmed through earlier I completely missed you.
I am surprissed you posted on this thread. But I have to ask.
Where is the blind hatred, where is is the I am not going to buy another ATI video card. where is desire for blood. I never had a problem with Viral marketing I made that pretty apparent before, but you did, and you screamed about it loud. Why now is is only less then desirable. Beofre it was everyone but ATI and it was horribly wrong, but now since its just plain everybody its more OK. Are your standards really that weak, so weak that all it takes is one company to say it okay for you to no longer think its Violently wrong.
Sadly this going to come off as me trying to pick a fight. To a degree it is. I saw some pretty sickening mud slinging in the AEG threads, and the only thing more sickening is those same players attempting to brush it off their shoulders because it appears their guys did the wrong thing last. You have not earned the right to come out of this smelling like roses after the abuse you gave others for the exact same thing. I can't sling mud at ATI because I understand and respect their decision as some one who has no issue with these forms of marketing. You don't get that luxury.
i don't like Viral Marketing [period]Originally posted by: Nelsieus
I recall when the nVidia / AEG stories surfaced, we had some very irate members, posting messages such as "I will not buy from nVidia again!," or just throwing in hateful anti nV/AEG bashes into every thread they could, justified by what they created as some demonic activity dubbed "Viral marketing."
Well, I wonder what those people say now, and how many are just as irate about this as they were with nVidia/AEG. I think it will definately reveal some pretty interesting things about certain members at this board who were very loud and vocal back then about nVidia/AEG, and now, act as if everything is fine and "peachy."
Exactly.Originally posted by: apoppin
i don't like Viral Marketing [period]Originally posted by: Nelsieus
I recall when the nVidia / AEG stories surfaced, we had some very irate members, posting messages such as "I will not buy from nVidia again!," or just throwing in hateful anti nV/AEG bashes into every thread they could, justified by what they created as some demonic activity dubbed "Viral marketing."
Well, I wonder what those people say now, and how many are just as irate about this as they were with nVidia/AEG. I think it will definately reveal some pretty interesting things about certain members at this board who were very loud and vocal back then about nVidia/AEG, and now, act as if everything is fine and "peachy."
nVidia's or ATi's
However, [imo] transparancy is crucial . . . if these Guerrilla Marketers on the forums are associated with nVidia OR ATi it should be DISCLOSED
then i am OKwith it
it is the stealth nature of the Viral programmes that i disagree with
Originally posted by: akugami
And anyone who says a $800-1000 video card that is suppose to retail for much less a good investment is obviously trying to sell you something.
Originally posted by: Topweasel
Originally posted by: munky
They're taking a page out of the Nvidia and Intel playbook: why waste money on expensive hardware that nobody buys when you can make cheap mediocre hardware and get sales by marketing? That's too bad, because after a certain point, the more marketing a company does, the more BS slips between the lines, and the less likely I am to buy their products.
I didn't read well enough when I skimmed through earlier I completely missed you.
I am surprissed you posted on this thread. But I have to ask.
Where is the blind hatred, where is is the I am not going to buy another ATI video card. where is desire for blood. I never had a problem with Viral marketing I made that pretty apparent before, but you did, and you screamed about it loud. Why now is is only less then desirable. Beofre it was everyone but ATI and it was horribly wrong, but now since its just plain everybody its more OK. Are your standards really that weak, so weak that all it takes is one company to say it okay for you to no longer think its Violently wrong.
Sadly this going to come off as me trying to pick a fight. To a degree it is. I saw some pretty sickening mud slinging in the AEG threads, and the only thing more sickening is those same players attempting to brush it off their shoulders because it appears their guys did the wrong thing last. You have not earned the right to come out of this smelling like roses after the abuse you gave others for the exact same thing. I can't sling mud at ATI because I understand and respect their decision as some one who has no issue with these forms of marketing. You don't get that luxury.
that's why i visit video.Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Guerilla marketers, violent disagreements, lynch mobs...eh, no thanks.
I already get this stuff on the big screen.
Probably looking for instructions from a 'higher' source.Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It's rather interesting that at least two prominent ATi supporters appear to have dropped off the edge of the world since these threads started up isn't? Especially since they had so much to say in the AEG threads...
What about 5150 and his wannabe Exteller-whatever who advertise ATI in their sig with links to product for sale? Even Rollo never went that far. :roll:Originally posted by: munky
At present I dont see anyone here who takes such drastic measures to advertise Ati, but if/when I do, I'll respond the same way I did to the AEG incident.
Originally posted by: Topweasel
Originally posted by: josh6079
Originally posted by: redbox
what I find funny is ATI has a good card and everyone has said that marketing is the only thing they are missing, and they need to listen to Nvidia and Intel more. Now when they do it everyone is angry about it. You can't have it both ways people.
QFT!! LOL!
No People are Angry not at ATI but ATI fanatics who started virtual lynch mobs when the AEG info broke out and ended up getting other people kicked. I didn't like the fact that Rollo lied to everyone including people who supported him, but he was banned not because he was a part of this but because the lynch mob demanded it after he confessed. Now I never had an issue with Nvidia doing this, I don't have a problem with ATI doing this either. But I will call out every single user who tries to brush this off, after being so venomous about it before.
People in my eye sights are, Munky, Joker, Turtle, BFG, Appopin, and a few other that will occur to me later. Honestly though I doubt we will hear from them on this as its a lose lose, they either have Put down the same company they Idolize or they come off as a hyppocrite.
Originally posted by: munky
At present I dont see anyone here who takes such drastic measures to advertise Ati, but if/when I do, I'll respond the same way I did to the AEG incident.
Seems the opposite is true thus far.i think i'd be louder in denouncing ATi and just as 'hard' on them - if we find they also do it.
Originally posted by: Crusader
But it makes sense now how ackmed got a Crossfire setup and the rabid, foaming at the mouth that 5150 does anymore.
I dont think apoppin or creig are involved but I think the above two are highly suspect.
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Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: Topweasel
Originally posted by: munky
They're taking a page out of the Nvidia and Intel playbook: why waste money on expensive hardware that nobody buys when you can make cheap mediocre hardware and get sales by marketing? That's too bad, because after a certain point, the more marketing a company does, the more BS slips between the lines, and the less likely I am to buy their products.
I didn't read well enough when I skimmed through earlier I completely missed you.
I am surprissed you posted on this thread. But I have to ask.
Where is the blind hatred, where is is the I am not going to buy another ATI video card. where is desire for blood. I never had a problem with Viral marketing I made that pretty apparent before, but you did, and you screamed about it loud. Why now is is only less then desirable. Beofre it was everyone but ATI and it was horribly wrong, but now since its just plain everybody its more OK. Are your standards really that weak, so weak that all it takes is one company to say it okay for you to no longer think its Violently wrong.
Sadly this going to come off as me trying to pick a fight. To a degree it is. I saw some pretty sickening mud slinging in the AEG threads, and the only thing more sickening is those same players attempting to brush it off their shoulders because it appears their guys did the wrong thing last. You have not earned the right to come out of this smelling like roses after the abuse you gave others for the exact same thing. I can't sling mud at ATI because I understand and respect their decision as some one who has no issue with these forms of marketing. You don't get that luxury.
Let's get one thing clear: I'm not affiliated with any marketing company, and as I've already mentioned, I'm generally oposed to companies that rely heavily on marketing to generate sales while their actual products suck. And while I dislike viral marketing regardless of who's doing it, the AEG witch hunt on AT was much more in my view than just about viral marketing. It was the "last straw" for a certain member who so vehemently pimped Nvidia, that many threads erupted in flames and were locked as a result of his posts. He actively steered threads away from topics about defects and problems with Nv products (the PVP threads are a good example), and repeatedly posted new threads about problems and limitations of Ati cards, many of which were false and misleading (the VTF thread comes to mind...). Lying about his affiliation with AEG and threatening to ban ppl who accused him of such, only made matters worse. Compare this with the AEG thread at B3D, where there was a lot less mud slinging because the AEG members there contributed to the forum in a positive and constructive manner, nothing like what was happening here on AT.
At present I dont see anyone here who takes such drastic measures to advertise Ati, but if/when I do, I'll respond the same way I did to the AEG incident.
Originally posted by: Wreckage
What about 5150 and his wannabe Exteller-whatever who advertise ATI in their sig with links to product for sale? Even Rollo never went that far. :roll:Originally posted by: munky
At present I dont see anyone here who takes such drastic measures to advertise Ati, but if/when I do, I'll respond the same way I did to the AEG incident.
Originally posted by: Topweasel
Originally posted by: josh6079
Originally posted by: redbox
what I find funny is ATI has a good card and everyone has said that marketing is the only thing they are missing, and they need to listen to Nvidia and Intel more. Now when they do it everyone is angry about it. You can't have it both ways people.
QFT!! LOL!
No People are Angry not at ATI but ATI fanatics who started virtual lynch mobs when the AEG info broke out and ended up getting other people kicked. I didn't like the fact that Rollo lied to everyone including people who supported him, but he was banned not because he was a part of this but because the lynch mob demanded it after he confessed. Now I never had an issue with Nvidia doing this, I don't have a problem with ATI doing this either. But I will call out every single user who tries to brush this off, after being so venomous about it before.
People in my eye sights are, Munky, Joker, Turtle, BFG, Appopin, and a few other that will occur to me later. Honestly though I doubt we will hear from them on this as its a lose lose, they either have Put down the same company they Idolize or they come off as a hyppocrite.