ATI hires HRC PR Firm

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
At present I dont see anyone here who takes such drastic measures to advertise Ati, but if/when I do, I'll respond the same way I did to the AEG incident.

What about 5150 and his wannabe Exteller-whatever who advertise ATI in their sig with links to product for sale? Even Rollo never went that far. :roll:

A sig by itself is not enough evidence, at least not to me. We've got another Nv supporter who's sig is fitting for a billboard, but I dont suspect him of being AEG.

I am not accusing them of being viral marketers. Truth be told, I don't really care. I am judging them by their actions not by whatever outside affiliation they may or may not have. It's one thing to argue your favorite company over another, but to become just an ad campaign for them is just plain sad.

It's the pure hypocrisy I hate. This recent announcement just brings it full circle.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: munky
They're taking a page out of the Nvidia and Intel playbook: why waste money on expensive hardware that nobody buys when you can make cheap mediocre hardware and get sales by marketing? That's too bad, because after a certain point, the more marketing a company does, the more BS slips between the lines, and the less likely I am to buy their products.

I didn't read well enough when I skimmed through earlier I completely missed you.

I am surprissed you posted on this thread. But I have to ask.

Where is the blind hatred, where is is the I am not going to buy another ATI video card. where is desire for blood. I never had a problem with Viral marketing I made that pretty apparent before, but you did, and you screamed about it loud. Why now is is only less then desirable. Beofre it was everyone but ATI and it was horribly wrong, but now since its just plain everybody its more OK. Are your standards really that weak, so weak that all it takes is one company to say it okay for you to no longer think its Violently wrong.

Sadly this going to come off as me trying to pick a fight. To a degree it is. I saw some pretty sickening mud slinging in the AEG threads, and the only thing more sickening is those same players attempting to brush it off their shoulders because it appears their guys did the wrong thing last. You have not earned the right to come out of this smelling like roses after the abuse you gave others for the exact same thing. I can't sling mud at ATI because I understand and respect their decision as some one who has no issue with these forms of marketing. You don't get that luxury.

Let's get one thing clear: I'm not affiliated with any marketing company, and as I've already mentioned, I'm generally oposed to companies that rely heavily on marketing to generate sales while their actual products suck. And while I dislike viral marketing regardless of who's doing it, the AEG witch hunt on AT was much more in my view than just about viral marketing. It was the "last straw" for a certain member who so vehemently pimped Nvidia, that many threads erupted in flames and were locked as a result of his posts. He actively steered threads away from topics about defects and problems with Nv products (the PVP threads are a good example), and repeatedly posted new threads about problems and limitations of Ati cards, many of which were false and misleading (the VTF thread comes to mind...). Lying about his affiliation with AEG and threatening to ban ppl who accused him of such, only made matters worse. Compare this with the AEG thread at B3D, where there was a lot less mud slinging because the AEG members there contributed to the forum in a positive and constructive manner, nothing like what was happening here on AT.

At present I dont see anyone here who takes such drastic measures to advertise Ati, but if/when I do, I'll respond the same way I did to the AEG incident.

Munky You are not as bad as lets say Joker, in this matter but you have and will continue to make the exact same types of threads and posts. I would call you Anti-Rollo if that wasn't such a good thing. Its more like Rollo-Red, SO you should be the last person to slinging mud for their posting practises. Their where several people, who you, Joker, Apoppin, and the rest of the Rollo-Red squad, accused, insulted and verbally destroyed. Was Rollo your primary target? Yes. Was he the only person you guys went after? No.

Does it matter That ATI with High Road announced plans for Viral Marketing? No. Why? This transparancy actually existed more iwth Nvidia then ATI. At least AEG actually entered into text what the different Viral Marketing tatics they planned on using where. We don't see that with ATI. So how can someone have a problem with Viral Marketing at all not have an issue with ATI not handing out a full list of venues they use to spread their companies beliefs virally.

This Flip -Flop from you guys is disgusting, and really starting piss me off. Show a little backbone. If you really had an issue with it before, then Lambast ATI for resorting to it. Tell them that because everyone else is doing it isn't a reason for them to do it. If You were just joining because your a fan of ATI and it was something that Nvidia was guilty of then appologize to the people you insulted.

Apoppin you yourself Called me immoral because I was disgusted by Nvidia's actions. Where is your disgust. Where is that vile that you spewed before.

QFT! x1000!

 

[Killrose]

If they use the proper Viral Marketing techniques, i.e., requireing their participants to identify themselves as such, I have no problem with it. AEG participants got corrupted to easily, and did not identify themselves as such.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont like this at all. Hopefully we dont get any smucks around here taking free stuff and trolling for it.

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

This IS AEG...according to yourself in the previous thread.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont like this at all. Hopefully we dont get any smucks around here taking free stuff and trolling for it.

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

This IS AEG...according to yourself in the previous thread.

What? As far as I can tell, its two different companies. AEG's outlines are worded much worse though, if you bother to read them, you will see. AEG looks like it takes it much farther. I said I didnt like AEG, and I said I dont like this for ATi. I said I would be upset if ATi went downt he same road, and I am. I am the same today, and I was with the AEG mess. We knew for sure we had some AEG lackies, and no idea if we have any for ATi. If there are people who accept free stuff from ATi, to post flames, misinformation, and the other crap that rollo did, I would want them banned as well.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont like this at all. Hopefully we dont get any smucks around here taking free stuff and trolling for it.

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

This IS AEG...according to yourself in the previous thread.

What? As far as I can tell, its two different companies. AEG's outlines are worded much worse though, if you bother to read them, you will see. AEG looks like it takes it much farther. I said I didnt like AEG, and I said I dont like this for ATi. I said I would be upset if ATi went downt he same road, and I am. I am the same today, and I was with the AEG mess. We knew for sure we had some AEG lackies, and no idea if we have any for ATi. If there are people who accept free stuff from ATi, to post flames, misinformation, and the other crap that rollo did, I would want them banned as well.

its the exact same practice worded differently.

don't see you advocate to ban Joker? exterron?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: beggerking

its the exact same practice worded differently.

don't see you advocate to ban Joker? exterron?

How do you know they go about it in the same manner? I dont doubt they both generally do the same thing, try to put ATi and NV both in a positive light. However, AEG's website shows much more aggression and things that I do not think should be done.

From AEG's site;

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide
- Optimization and re-purposing of existing content, creative and assets
- Viral programs
CRISIS MANAGEMENT
- Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Compare the two sites;
http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml
http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?xml=3.0.xml

Do you really think they both say the same thing? AEG's is much worse.

Why would I want Joker banned? If he is not taking free hardware, like rollo was, why should be be banned for his opinion? Has he said he is taking free hardware? I have not been keeping up.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Compare the two sites;
http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml
http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?xml=3.0.xml

Do you really think they both say the same thing? AEG's is much worse.

Because they detail what they do and HRC does not?

High Road has proven experience conducting viral campaigns,

I would like details on what that means. At least AEG is up front about it.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

Just the response I expected from you. :roll:

Atleast I'm not the only one who thinks your a fanATIc troll, though, as many members have already brought up about you.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: beggerking

its the exact same practice worded differently.

don't see you advocate to ban Joker? exterron?

How do you know they go about it in the same manner? I dont doubt they both generally do the same thing, try to put ATi and NV both in a positive light. However, AEG's website shows much more aggression and things that I do not think should be done.

From AEG's site;

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide
- Optimization and re-purposing of existing content, creative and assets
- Viral programs
CRISIS MANAGEMENT
- Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Compare the two sites;
http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml
http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?xml=3.0.xml

Do you really think they both say the same thing? AEG's is much worse.

Why would I want Joker banned? If he is not taking free hardware, like rollo was, why should be be banned for his opinion? Has he said he is taking free hardware? I have not been keeping up.

bolded text indicate you are contradicting yourself.

Yes I read it and they do basically the same thing.

how do you know Joker isn't and Rollo was? you never had proof/disproof of either, yet you were so loud in that thread even accused me of being AEG aff.

I'd rather believe Rollo, who admitted being with AEG, than to trust Joker, who doesn't admit but is so biased beyond belief.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

Just the response I expected from you. :roll:

Atleast I'm not the only one who thinks your a fanATIc troll, though, as many members have already brought up about you.

QFT! 10000x:beer::beer::beer:

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

Just the response I expected from you. :roll:

Atleast I'm not the only one who thinks your a fanATIc troll, though, as many members have already brought up about you.

QFT! 10000x

You forgot the :beer: for him too

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Munky You are not as bad as lets say Joker, in this matter but you have and will continue to make the exact same types of threads and posts. I would call you Anti-Rollo if that wasn't such a good thing. Its more like Rollo-Red, SO you should be the last person to slinging mud for their posting practises. Their where several people, who you, Joker, Apoppin, and the rest of the Rollo-Red squad, accused, insulted and verbally destroyed. Was Rollo your primary target? Yes. Was he the only person you guys went after? No.

You don't see me come into threads about Ati problems and try to downplay the issue or troll it until it's locked. Neither do you see me posting threads to spread false info about Nv. So dont compare me to Rollo.

Does it matter That ATI with High Road announced plans for Viral Marketing? No. Why? This transparancy actually existed more iwth Nvidia then ATI. At least AEG actually entered into text what the different Viral Marketing tatics they planned on using where. We don't see that with ATI. So how can someone have a problem with Viral Marketing at all not have an issue with ATI not handing out a full list of venues they use to spread their companies beliefs virally.

Ati is working with HR to get better/more marketing (which they lack severely ATM). That does not automatically imply viral marketing, although it's one of the possibilities. Nvidia on the other hand, denied viral marketing practices, even after the AEG story broke out. And so did the AEG members until the evidence was just too much to deny. If the AEG information did not leak out to the public, we'd probably have no such transparency about NV/AEG.

This Flip -Flop from you guys is disgusting, and really starting piss me off. Show a little backbone. If you really had an issue with it before, then Lambast ATI for resorting to it. Tell them that because everyone else is doing it isn't a reason for them to do it. If You were just joining because your a fan of ATI and it was something that Nvidia was guilty of then appologize to the people you insulted.

I'm not one of the "guys" you refer to, so no comment...

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: munky

Ati is working with HR to get better/more marketing (which they lack severely ATM). That does not automatically imply viral marketing, although it's one of the possibilities. Nvidia on the other hand, denied viral marketing practices, even after the AEG story broke out. And so did the AEG members until the evidence was just too much to deny. If the AEG information did not leak out to the public, we'd probably have no such transparency about NV/AEG.

?We are impressed with the strategic thinking, creativity and passion that High Road brings to our business,? said Chris Evenden, Director, Public Relations, ATI Technologies Inc. ?High Road?s communications process enables us to choose the best method of reaching key audiences, from traditional media relations and blogs to viral marketing and events. High Road will help us take our PR programs to the next level and positively impact our business.?

I guess you'll only read what you want to, though.

EDIT: And how was the AEG / nVidia deal leaked when AEG openly listed nVidia on their client list, along with all of their other clients, as well.

http://www.aeginfo.com/clients.shtml

 

[redbox]

Could someone please provide links to these said lies that Rollo, Joker, Munky, Ackmed, and the rest of the fanboys supposedly said. I would like to at least see what you guys are talking about. That is if you can get those threads, I don't know if they are locked or what not. I was around when rollo was; it was hard not to believe what he said because nvidia had the best cards out. Ati was messing around with a problem with their silicon. I was waiting for ATI to come out with their new gpus and grew tired of allways hearing it would be another "month or so" so I bought nvidia. Did rollo influence me? Perhaps, but I still ended up with a card that was good and still provides performance that is competitive as I have it overclocked to perform between a 7800gtx and 7800gtx 512.

Munky I heard you saying that you hate companies that put to much into pr and not enough in R&D. I can see your point, (I believe it was aimed at nvidia and intel) however they did do alot with R&D with the first g70 it was not a bad card at the time. Not to mention where do you think they get money for R&D they don't just pull it out of the air. They need to sell cards and make money doing it. This is true on both sides of the camp. Don't fool your self any company is in it for the money, not the customer.

This mess just proves to me that when you listen to one source you always get a 1 deminsional view.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Killrose
If they use the proper Viral Marketing techniques, i.e., requireing their participants to identify themselves as such, I have no problem with it. AEG participants got corrupted to easily, and did not identify themselves as such.

Hmm. One user that had been a long time Nvidia fan seemed to become more of an Nvidia fan (read Fanatic) makes all people involved Fanatics. For the same reason you Defend ATI (us not knowing what they have planned (or are already doing)) you can't go After AEG, we don't know every person involved. Only 3-4 people admitted to it and only one person turned to the dark side. On bad apple doesn't mean their all rotten.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Compare the two sites;
http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml
http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?xml=3.0.xml

Do you really think they both say the same thing? AEG's is much worse.

Because they detail what they do and HRC does not?

High Road has proven experience conducting viral campaigns,

I would like details on what that means. At least AEG is up front about it.

AEG says that have "Viral programs". HR says that they have "viral campains". As you can see, HR does into just as much detail as AEG does. AEG does not expand on their viral practies. They list that under "INTERACTIVE SERVICES", the others I listed are under different topics. Again, HR does go into just as much "detail" as AEG about what their "viral" part does.

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

Just the response I expected from you. :roll:

Atleast I'm not the only one who thinks your a fanATIc troll, though, as many members have already brought up about you.

You mean an honest response? Thanks. Going by what each website says, how can you even claim that they are close to the same? Do we know what goes on behind closed doors? No. All we have is what the website says, and the fact that AEG had a part in giving NV hardware away, for people who posted for NV, and against ATi. Kind of like you called me a troll for posting in a thread about 7900's dying all over the place. Now HardOCP has an article up about it, and you still cant admit there is a problem. Again, do you think you come of as unbias? Please. You dont know me, you've proven you dont, so dont act as if you do.

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: beggerking

its the exact same practice worded differently.

don't see you advocate to ban Joker? exterron?

How do you know they go about it in the same manner? I dont doubt they both generally do the same thing, try to put ATi and NV both in a positive light. However, AEG's website shows much more aggression and things that I do not think should be done.

From AEG's site;

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide
- Optimization and re-purposing of existing content, creative and assets
- Viral programs
CRISIS MANAGEMENT
- Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Compare the two sites;
http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml
http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?xml=3.0.xml

Do you really think they both say the same thing? AEG's is much worse.

Why would I want Joker banned? If he is not taking free hardware, like rollo was, why should be be banned for his opinion? Has he said he is taking free hardware? I have not been keeping up.

bolded text indicate you are contradicting yourself.

Yes I read it and they do basically the same thing.

how do you know Joker isn't and Rollo was? you never had proof/disproof of either, yet you were so loud in that thread even accused me of being AEG aff.

I'd rather believe Rollo, who admitted being with AEG, than to trust Joker, who doesn't admit but is so biased beyond belief.

I didnt contradict myself. Try reading it again. I said I dont doubt that they generally do the same thing, which is true. The second bolded part is me saying that do you "think they say the same thing". Obviously the websites do not say the same thing. And obviously both firms are supposed to put NV and ATi in a good light.

How do I know rollo was? Because he admitted it, and I had a very trusted member of another forum tell me. I never accused you of being AEG, please find a quote. You'd rather believe rollo? You mean after he lied time and time again, and he only admitted to it after he was busted? Uh, ok. I was never for banning rollo until he got busted. I would be for banning Joker as well, if he was taking ATi hardware as part of a program. Or anyone else. I do not think it has place in forums.

Try as you might, you cant turn me into a flip-flopper. I stand by what I said then, and I still do now. If anyone is taking ATi hardware to make a certain kind of post, topic, or anything like that, I would want them banned as well. The simple fact is, we do not know of anyone who does that. Another fact is, AEG's website has much more "offensive" (or whatever word you want to use) information on how they do their business. HR does not say that they spread misinformation, fire, rumors, forum posting, or anything else that AEG does. I find it funny that someone calls me a tr

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I dont like this at all. Hopefully we dont get any smucks around here taking free stuff and trolling for it.

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

This IS AEG...according to yourself in the previous thread.

What? As far as I can tell, its two different companies. AEG's outlines are worded much worse though, if you bother to read them, you will see. AEG looks like it takes it much farther. I said I didnt like AEG, and I said I dont like this for ATi. I said I would be upset if ATi went downt he same road, and I am. I am the same today, and I was with the AEG mess. We knew for sure we had some AEG lackies, and no idea if we have any for ATi. If there are people who accept free stuff from ATi, to post flames, misinformation, and the other crap that rollo did, I would want them banned as well.

Which is worse doing that for free or doing that while getting paid (which I still don't think they were). The fact is and I stated this over and over again that it was likely that ATI used Viral marketing and each time I was told well if they did so to you would seeking the same if not more vengance.

Now we need a full list of particular viral acivities before you will seek your vengance? Huh?

I ask which is worse because those same types of posts and statements that made Rollo and AEG member are the exact types YOU and the rest of the Rollo-Reds have been doing before and after his banning. I am not going to call you a High Roader or whatever the Nv fans will want to call it, but for the same reason Rollo was accused so should you be. Therefore How can anyone say that This really Makes it any better or worse of a place. If People like you Munky Apoppin and Joker, Along with guys Like Keys on the otherside do the exact same thing that the only confessed marketing arm did, without getting a dime, how is getting a dime for it making this place any worse.

Don't Be frickin Hyppocrite Stand up for beliefs, let your emotions out. Completely Trash ATI for doing something so sneaky, and so disgusting, that you petitioned for the silencing of a mans constitional right to free speak because he was involved in it. I dare you to.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: munky
They're taking a page out of the Nvidia and Intel playbook: why waste money on expensive hardware that nobody buys when you can make cheap mediocre hardware and get sales by marketing? That's too bad, because after a certain point, the more marketing a company does, the more BS slips between the lines, and the less likely I am to buy their products.

I didn't read well enough when I skimmed through earlier I completely missed you.

I am surprissed you posted on this thread. But I have to ask.

Where is the blind hatred, where is is the I am not going to buy another ATI video card. where is desire for blood. I never had a problem with Viral marketing I made that pretty apparent before, but you did, and you screamed about it loud. Why now is is only less then desirable. Beofre it was everyone but ATI and it was horribly wrong, but now since its just plain everybody its more OK. Are your standards really that weak, so weak that all it takes is one company to say it okay for you to no longer think its Violently wrong.

Sadly this going to come off as me trying to pick a fight. To a degree it is. I saw some pretty sickening mud slinging in the AEG threads, and the only thing more sickening is those same players attempting to brush it off their shoulders because it appears their guys did the wrong thing last. You have not earned the right to come out of this smelling like roses after the abuse you gave others for the exact same thing. I can't sling mud at ATI because I understand and respect their decision as some one who has no issue with these forms of marketing. You don't get that luxury.

Let's get one thing clear: I'm not affiliated with any marketing company, and as I've already mentioned, I'm generally oposed to companies that rely heavily on marketing to generate sales while their actual products suck. And while I dislike viral marketing regardless of who's doing it, the AEG witch hunt on AT was much more in my view than just about viral marketing. It was the "last straw" for a certain member who so vehemently pimped Nvidia, that many threads erupted in flames and were locked as a result of his posts. He actively steered threads away from topics about defects and problems with Nv products (the PVP threads are a good example), and repeatedly posted new threads about problems and limitations of Ati cards, many of which were false and misleading (the VTF thread comes to mind...). Lying about his affiliation with AEG and threatening to ban ppl who accused him of such, only made matters worse. Compare this with the AEG thread at B3D, where there was a lot less mud slinging because the AEG members there contributed to the forum in a positive and constructive manner, nothing like what was happening here on AT.

At present I dont see anyone here who takes such drastic measures to advertise Ati, but if/when I do, I'll respond the same way I did to the AEG incident.

Munky You are not as bad as lets say Joker, in this matter but you have and will continue to make the exact same types of threads and posts. I would call you Anti-Rollo if that wasn't such a good thing. Its more like Rollo-Red, SO you should be the last person to slinging mud for their posting practises. Their where several people, who you, Joker, Apoppin, and the rest of the Rollo-Red squad, accused, insulted and verbally destroyed. Was Rollo your primary target? Yes. Was he the only person you guys went after? No.

Does it matter That ATI with High Road announced plans for Viral Marketing? No. Why? This transparancy actually existed more iwth Nvidia then ATI. At least AEG actually entered into text what the different Viral Marketing tatics they planned on using where. We don't see that with ATI. So how can someone have a problem with Viral Marketing at all not have an issue with ATI not handing out a full list of venues they use to spread their companies beliefs virally.

This Flip -Flop from you guys is disgusting, and really starting piss me off. Show a little backbone. If you really had an issue with it before, then Lambast ATI for resorting to it. Tell them that because everyone else is doing it isn't a reason for them to do it. If You were just joining because your a fan of ATI and it was something that Nvidia was guilty of then appologize to the people you insulted.

Apoppin you yourself Called me immoral because I was disgusted by Nvidia's actions. Where is your disgust. Where is that vile that you spewed before.

Have ATI actualy come out and said they will not be using the "viral" part of HRC's portfolio? It looks like they've been working together since at least April 6th as seen at the bottom of this page: ATI Press Release April 6th.

5150 and crew went after me during the AEG lynchings but simply couldn't pull it off. Anyone notice how the "adverts" in 5150's sig disappeared for a while? I don't have any problems with munky, appopin or BFG but 5150 and extelleron have both been guilty of advertising (for free perhaps) and diverting threads to suit their agenda's. 5150 does post facts, albeit sometimes only the facts that suit him but at other times has come out with sayings that just were OTT "needles in the eyes" springs to mind.

Viral marketing is just that, Viral. It's commonplace and almost always the consumer never knows about it. While ATI employing a Viral Marketing PR firm probably won't damage thier sales, it will add a tarnish to their reputation (claiming never going to do it and then doing it anyway.

Just to make this clear, i'm not slinging mud at people, just commenting on what i've seen. I'm not going to call for bans over this issue until proof of wrongdoing by anyone involved.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: redbox
Could someone please provide links to these said lies that Rollo, Joker, Munky, Ackmed, and the rest of the fanboys supposedly said.

You will not find any lies from me. I have the same stance now, that I had then. I do not like any of this. I just think that AEG goes much farther than HR, from the details on their websites. How anyone can think they do the "exact same thing", is beyond me.

Rollo did lie time and time again about being in AEG. he got busted, and got banned, twice. He also got banned twice from Rage3D, and banned from HardOCP. Its not hard to re-reg, and hide an IP addy. I dont doubt hes back posting again in all three forums.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Compare the two sites;
http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml
http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?xml=3.0.xml

Do you really think they both say the same thing? AEG's is much worse.

Because they detail what they do and HRC does not?

High Road has proven experience conducting viral campaigns,

I would like details on what that means. At least AEG is up front about it.

AEG says that have "Viral programs". HR says that they have "viral campains". As you can see, HR does into just as much detail as AEG does. AEG does not expand on their viral practies. They list that under "INTERACTIVE SERVICES", the others I listed are under different topics. Again, HR does go into just as much "detail" as AEG about what their "viral" part does.

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

AEG seems to be much worse (going by their website) but I still dont like it.

Just the response I expected from you. :roll:

Atleast I'm not the only one who thinks your a fanATIc troll, though, as many members have already brought up about you.

You mean an honest response? Thanks. Going by what each website says, how can you even claim that they are close to the same? Do we know what goes on behind closed doors? No. All we have is what the website says, and the fact that AEG had a part in giving NV hardware away, for people who posted for NV, and against ATi. Kind of like you called me a troll for posting in a thread about 7900's dying all over the place. Now HardOCP has an article up about it, and you still cant admit there is a problem. Again, do you think you come of as unbias? Please. You dont know me, you've proven you dont, so dont act as if you do.

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: beggerking

its the exact same practice worded differently.

don't see you advocate to ban Joker? exterron?

How do you know they go about it in the same manner? I dont doubt they both generally do the same thing, try to put ATi and NV both in a positive light. However, AEG's website shows much more aggression and things that I do not think should be done.

From AEG's site;

- Message board monitoring and response
- Strategic seeding viral assets to ensure they are spread far and wide
- Optimization and re-purposing of existing content, creative and assets
- Viral programs
CRISIS MANAGEMENT
- Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks

Compare the two sites;
http://www.aeginfo.com/services.shtml
http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?xml=3.0.xml

Do you really think they both say the same thing? AEG's is much worse.

Why would I want Joker banned? If he is not taking free hardware, like rollo was, why should be be banned for his opinion? Has he said he is taking free hardware? I have not been keeping up.

bolded text indicate you are contradicting yourself.

Yes I read it and they do basically the same thing.

how do you know Joker isn't and Rollo was? you never had proof/disproof of either, yet you were so loud in that thread even accused me of being AEG aff.

I'd rather believe Rollo, who admitted being with AEG, than to trust Joker, who doesn't admit but is so biased beyond belief.

I didnt contradict myself. Try reading it again. I said I dont doubt that they generally do the same thing, which is true. The second bolded part is me saying that do you "think they say the same thing". Obviously the websites do not say the same thing. And obviously both firms are supposed to put NV and ATi in a good light.

How do I know rollo was? Because he admitted it, and I had a very trusted member of another forum tell me. I never accused you of being AEG, please find a quote. You'd rather believe rollo? You mean after he lied time and time again, and he only admitted to it after he was busted? Uh, ok. I was never for banning rollo until he got busted. I would be for banning Joker as well, if he was taking ATi hardware as part of a program. Or anyone else. I do not think it has place in forums.

Try as you might, you cant turn me into a flip-flopper. I stand by what I said then, and I still do now. If anyone is taking ATi hardware to make a certain kind of post, topic, or anything like that, I would want them banned as well. The simple fact is, we do not know of anyone who does that. Another fact is, AEG's website has much more "offensive" (or whatever word you want to use) information on how they do their business. HR does not say that they spread misinformation, fire, rumors, forum posting, or anything else that AEG does. I find it funny that someone calls me a tr

This is part of the problem. Where do you live Akmed. As far as I know most places and especially in the USA you are innocent till proven guilty. Untill Rollo Confessed you had nothing but Accusations from others along with your own personal feelings. what you did was blantant McCarthyism.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: munky
They're taking a page out of the Nvidia and Intel playbook: why waste money on expensive hardware that nobody buys when you can make cheap mediocre hardware and get sales by marketing? That's too bad, because after a certain point, the more marketing a company does, the more BS slips between the lines, and the less likely I am to buy their products.

I didn't read well enough when I skimmed through earlier I completely missed you.

I am surprissed you posted on this thread. But I have to ask.

Where is the blind hatred, where is is the I am not going to buy another ATI video card. where is desire for blood. I never had a problem with Viral marketing I made that pretty apparent before, but you did, and you screamed about it loud. Why now is is only less then desirable. Beofre it was everyone but ATI and it was horribly wrong, but now since its just plain everybody its more OK. Are your standards really that weak, so weak that all it takes is one company to say it okay for you to no longer think its Violently wrong.

Sadly this going to come off as me trying to pick a fight. To a degree it is. I saw some pretty sickening mud slinging in the AEG threads, and the only thing more sickening is those same players attempting to brush it off their shoulders because it appears their guys did the wrong thing last. You have not earned the right to come out of this smelling like roses after the abuse you gave others for the exact same thing. I can't sling mud at ATI because I understand and respect their decision as some one who has no issue with these forms of marketing. You don't get that luxury.

Let's get one thing clear: I'm not affiliated with any marketing company, and as I've already mentioned, I'm generally oposed to companies that rely heavily on marketing to generate sales while their actual products suck. And while I dislike viral marketing regardless of who's doing it, the AEG witch hunt on AT was much more in my view than just about viral marketing. It was the "last straw" for a certain member who so vehemently pimped Nvidia, that many threads erupted in flames and were locked as a result of his posts. He actively steered threads away from topics about defects and problems with Nv products (the PVP threads are a good example), and repeatedly posted new threads about problems and limitations of Ati cards, many of which were false and misleading (the VTF thread comes to mind...). Lying about his affiliation with AEG and threatening to ban ppl who accused him of such, only made matters worse. Compare this with the AEG thread at B3D, where there was a lot less mud slinging because the AEG members there contributed to the forum in a positive and constructive manner, nothing like what was happening here on AT.

At present I dont see anyone here who takes such drastic measures to advertise Ati, but if/when I do, I'll respond the same way I did to the AEG incident.

Munky You are not as bad as lets say Joker, in this matter but you have and will continue to make the exact same types of threads and posts. I would call you Anti-Rollo if that wasn't such a good thing. Its more like Rollo-Red, SO you should be the last person to slinging mud for their posting practises. Their where several people, who you, Joker, Apoppin, and the rest of the Rollo-Red squad, accused, insulted and verbally destroyed. Was Rollo your primary target? Yes. Was he the only person you guys went after? No.

Does it matter That ATI with High Road announced plans for Viral Marketing? No. Why? This transparancy actually existed more iwth Nvidia then ATI. At least AEG actually entered into text what the different Viral Marketing tatics they planned on using where. We don't see that with ATI. So how can someone have a problem with Viral Marketing at all not have an issue with ATI not handing out a full list of venues they use to spread their companies beliefs virally.

This Flip -Flop from you guys is disgusting, and really starting piss me off. Show a little backbone. If you really had an issue with it before, then Lambast ATI for resorting to it. Tell them that because everyone else is doing it isn't a reason for them to do it. If You were just joining because your a fan of ATI and it was something that Nvidia was guilty of then appologize to the people you insulted.

Apoppin you yourself Called me immoral because I was disgusted by Nvidia's actions. Where is your disgust. Where is that vile that you spewed before.

Have ATI actualy come out and said they will not be using the "viral" part of HRC's portfolio? It looks like they've been working together since at least April 6th as seen at the bottom of this page: ATI Press Release April 6th.

5150 and crew went after me during the AEG lynchings but simply couldn't pull it off. Anyone notice how the "adverts" in 5150's sig disappeared for a while? I don't have any problems with munky, appopin or BFG but 5150 and extelleron have both been guilty of advertising (for free perhaps) and diverting threads to suit their agenda's. 5150 does post facts, albeit sometimes only the facts that suit him but at other times has come out with sayings that just were OTT "needles in the eyes" springs to mind.

Viral marketing is just that, Viral. It's commonplace and almost always the consumer never knows about it. While ATI employing a Viral Marketing PR firm probably won't damage thier sales, it will add a tarnish to their reputation (claiming never going to do it and then doing it anyway.

Just to make this clear, i'm not slinging mud at people, just commenting on what i've seen. I'm not going to call for bans over this issue until proof of wrongdoing by anyone involved.

Wow, another example of someone who missed the boat. Sorry if the Word Viral makes you think of viruses (RL and Computer one) or plagues and such. But Viral means it speads. Some times they pay sometimes not. When you go to a sneak peak at a movie theator and you go home and tell your friends about how good the movie was, thats viral. When you get a cuopon for a freee schick razor and you like it and tell your friends thats Viral, When a Forum poster gets a free card and decides he loves he company that gave him the card thats viral. But the last one is Evil because it is so expensive that everyone feels they should be notified how you got it. But don't worry no one needs to know how you got that razor if you recommend it because its cheap.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

This is part of the problem. Where do you live Akmed. As far as I know most places and especially in the USA you are innocent till proven guilty. Untill Rollo Confessed you had nothing but Accusations from others along with your own personal feelings. what you did was blantant McCarthyism.

I didnt accuse him of being in AEG, get your facts straight. I simply voiced my distaste for the AEG program until he was caught. Then I was for him, and anyone else being banned over it. AT agreed, and he was banned, twice.

And for the record, I dont have anything against a PR firm doing some public releations for either NV or ATi. Most large companies have a private PR firm. What I have a problem with is the "viral" parts of the program. AEG goes well beyond what I think any company should do to promote any product. Spreading fires, misinformation, rumors, and poting on public forums is not acceptable. Does HR do this? Not according to their website, but we do not know what goes on behind closed doors. If HR does use the same tactics, I will be just has harsh with them, as I have been with AEG. However, their website does not say they use the same tactics, other than "viral campains", and AEG has "viral programs". Thats the only "negative" thing their websites have in common. And its not even negative if you know what it really means.

 

[nitromullet]

The people that I find humorous are those that say that nothing they hear on forums influences their purchases... If not, why do you waste your time? I can admit it, posts, advice, and others' satisfaction do have a bearing on what I purchase.

Two specific cases in point:

1) Rollo was among the first individuals to have an SLI rig (and he seemed happy with is), so when I decided to build mine, I checked out the rig in his sig at the time. He was using an Asus A8N-SLI motherboard (which I was already leaning towards), and an Enermax PSU. I had never used Enermax before, but figured his was working for him and they had a PSU listed on NV's SLI approved list (there were only 3 total at the time). I decided to pick up an Enermax SLI PSU, and I've been very pleased with it.

2) In a thread not even case related Ackmed posted a very pics of his Lian Li v2000 case, and I thought, "damn, what a sweet looking rig". I picked up a Lian Li v1200+ based on that a few good reviews. I like it, but not quite as much as Ackmed, but then again the reviewers left out the stuff I don't like about it also...

The way I see it, I read these forums for infotainment. I enjoy talking about this stuff, but I also like to see what other people think about the stuff they buy, and I do use the greater input to help make purchasing decisions. Honestly, people making a big deal out a HDR+AA helped convince me to buy both the X1900XTX and Oblivion. Is it becasue I can't think for myself? no... It's because I like this stuff and it got me curious (I haven't regretted that decision for one moment). That isn't to say that my decisions are solely infuenced by what I read on these board, but you guys do provide me with either direct info or linked info that I find useful. For all the people that post their honest experiences, opinions, benchmarks, etc... I appreciate it...

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Topweasel

This is part of the problem. Where do you live Akmed. As far as I know most places and especially in the USA you are innocent till proven guilty. Untill Rollo Confessed you had nothing but Accusations from others along with your own personal feelings. what you did was blantant McCarthyism.

I didnt accuse him of being in AEG, get your facts straight. I simply voiced my distaste for the AEG program until he was caught. Then I was for him, and anyone else being banned over it. AT agreed, and he was banned, twice.

And for the record, I dont have anything against a PR firm doing some public releations for either NV or ATi. Most large companies have a private PR firm. What I have a problem with is the "viral" parts of the program. AEG goes well beyond what I think any company should do to promote any product. Spreading fires, misinformation, rumors, and poting on public forums is not acceptable. Does HR do this? Not according to their website, but we do not know what goes on behind closed doors. If HR does use the same tactics, I will be just has harsh with them, as I have been with AEG. However, their website does not say they use the same tactics, other than "viral campains", and AEG has "viral programs". Thats the only "negative" thing their websites have in common. And its not even negative if you know what it really means.

I am going to give you the benifit of the doubt because the First two AEG threads can't be found and after checking the coming out AEG thread it was apparent you didn't show up till after words. Although you did say you would eat some crow if ATI did use Viral marketing (oddly in the same post you said they probabl did) I haven't seen some crow eating yet.