Once again, you were with the witchhunt gang. You attacked me as well as Keys, who tried to calm everyone down.
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Keys I did defend you when I saw it but I sorta stayed out of video while the witchhunts were in full swing.Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I could've used that kind of support back when I was getting flailed with accusations from everyone and his cousin. What really kills me is Ackmed saying that AEG is worse than HRC. W.........................T...............................F............... is that?
Both companies use the word "viral". End......of.......story......
It is pretty sad that people have turned completely around (not that that is at all unusual in video) with people who were against the witchhunts making accusations and people trying to show how HRC is better then AEG.
Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is sad you guys, you're trying to pin down the affiliations of people who you've never met (and most likely never will). I said this back before Rollo came out and I'll say it again now because it seems pertinent. Until you can show proof that any person (Crusader, Begger, Joker, Ackmed or the rest of them) is a marketing shill, shut up and don't come back till you have any proof.
Shut up fierydemise. You were one of those who witch hunted in the other thread.
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is sad you guys, you're trying to pin down the affiliations of people who you've never met (and most likely never will). I said this back before Rollo came out and I'll say it again now because it seems pertinent. Until you can show proof that any person (Crusader, Begger, Joker, Ackmed or the rest of them) is a marketing shill, shut up and don't come back till you have any proof.
Shut up fierydemise. You were one of those who witch hunted in the other thread.
I don't remember witchhunting, I commented on some some suspicious circumstances in FI a couple times but never participated in the outright witchhunts. I actively discouraged it and have the PMs to prove it if you really feel the compulsion to see them.
The suspicious circumstances where how Crusader showed up out of no where and just started defending Rollo (after claiming to have been watching these forums for so long, I did defended him once too. If you want to continue this PM me because I really don't want to derail this thread any longer.Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Originally posted by: beggerking
Shut up fierydemise. You were one of those who witch hunted in the other thread.
I don't remember witchhunting, I commented on some some suspicious circumstances in FI a couple times but never participated in the outright witchhunts. I actively discouraged it and have the PMs to prove it if you really feel the compulsion to see them.
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Originally posted by: fierydemise
The suspicious circumstances where how Crusader showed up out of no where and just started defending Rollo (after claiming to have been watching these forums for so long, I did defended him once too. If you want to continue this PM me because I really don't want to derail this thread any longer.
Originally posted by: beggerking
I defended Rollo for his honesty , .
Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: fierydemise
The suspicious circumstances where how Crusader showed up out of no where and just started defending Rollo (after claiming to have been watching these forums for so long, I did defended him once too. If you want to continue this PM me because I really don't want to derail this thread any longer.
I defended Rollo for his honesty , so am I suspecious to you?
The point is, you tried to "seek out" AEG members like its some sort of witch hunt, which is utterly unnecessary and childish as did Ackmed, Apoppin etc.
Originally posted by: orangat
Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: fierydemise
The suspicious circumstances where how Crusader showed up out of no where and just started defending Rollo (after claiming to have been watching these forums for so long, I did defended him once too. If you want to continue this PM me because I really don't want to derail this thread any longer.
I defended Rollo for his honesty , so am I suspecious to you?
The point is, you tried to "seek out" AEG members like its some sort of witch hunt, which is utterly unnecessary and childish as did Ackmed, Apoppin etc.
Rollo's honesty? Are you kidding?
He lied about AEG, lied about receiving hardware, downplayed AEG as 'beta testers' and lied to get someone temporarily banned.
Rollo finally got the well deserved ban.
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Originally posted by: beggerking
I defended Rollo for his honesty , .
Look up "oxymoron" when you get a chance......
Originally posted by: beggerking
Stop accusing Rollo and say something about Joker!
Originally posted by: Topweasel
Some, apparently people who post like this anyways, Apoppin, 5150Joker, Monkey, Akmed and people like them were enviess of Rollo, and eventually they got him banned for this. I think I might petition to have him re-instated.
To me Rollo looks like the smarter person now, because at least he was getting something for the crap he said (a lot wasn't crap but the way he said it was horrible). But then Again they migth be part of this HRM stuff.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is sad you guys, you're trying to pin down the affiliations of people who you've never met (and most likely never will). I said this back before Rollo came out and I'll say it again now because it seems pertinent. Until you can show proof that any person (Crusader, Begger, Joker, Ackmed or the rest of them) is a marketing shill, shut up and don't come back till you have any proof.
I could've used that kind of support back when I was getting flailed with accusations from everyone and his cousin. What really kills me is Ackmed saying that AEG is worse than HRC. W.........................T...............................F............... is that?
Both companies use the word "viral". End......of.......story......
Viral Marketing Defined
What does a virus have to do with marketing? Viral marketing describes any strategy that encourages individuals to pass on a marketing message to others, creating the potential for exponential growth in the message's exposure and influence. Like viruses, such strategies take advantage of rapid multiplication to explode the message to thousands, to millions.
Off the Internet, viral marketing has been referred to as "word-of-mouth," "creating a buzz," "leveraging the media," "network marketing." But on the Internet, for better or worse, it's called "viral marketing." While others smarter than I have attempted to rename it, to somehow domesticate and tame it, I won't try. The term "viral marketing" has stuck.
Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Direct to Consumer Marketing - There are times when you want to communicate directly to consumers, bypassing editors and reporters to deliver your message straight to your audience. High Road has proven experience conducting viral campaigns, online communications and attention grabbing consumer events that help clients rise above the noise and get their messages heard.
Ackmed, you will read and bash what you want to, you will overlook what you want to, and you will flop around with FUD on whatever you want to. I'm not going to play that game, because arguing with a fanboy is useless. The important thing is that everyone knows your a fanATIc, and so from now on, when they read any message by you, they will instantly discredit it and anything you have to say.
You can attack me if you want, but it, too, is useless, because your reputation has already been damaged. And I think by continuing to attack me, it would further harm it, because people will continue proving you wrong on just about every point you make.
Good day to you.
Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: fierydemise
The suspicious circumstances where how Crusader showed up out of no where and just started defending Rollo (after claiming to have been watching these forums for so long, I did defended him once too. If you want to continue this PM me because I really don't want to derail this thread any longer.
I defended Rollo for his honesty , so am I suspecious to you?
The point is, you tried to "seek out" AEG members like its some sort of witch hunt, which is utterly unnecessary and childish as did Ackmed, Apoppin etc.
perhaps you should actually read the bullet points from AEG's page. Also, as pointd out, viral in itself, is not a bad thing. As mentioned earlier, most people think of "virus" or something like that.
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Viral Marketing Defined
What does a virus have to do with marketing? Viral marketing describes any strategy that encourages individuals to pass on a marketing message to others, creating the potential for exponential growth in the message's exposure and influence. Like viruses, such strategies take advantage of rapid multiplication to explode the message to thousands, to millions.
Off the Internet, viral marketing has been referred to as "word-of-mouth," "creating a buzz," "leveraging the media," "network marketing." But on the Internet, for better or worse, it's called "viral marketing." While others smarter than I have attempted to rename it, to somehow domesticate and tame it, I won't try. The term "viral marketing" has stuck.
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http://www.wilsonweb.com/wmt5/viral-principles.htm
As you can see, "viral" in itself, is not what most people think. If HR resorts to the same methods as AEG, then I am as apposed to HR as I am to AEG. Why do you people not understand this? Going by HR and AEGs website, they both have different methods.
Originally posted by: Avalon
Did some of you guys even bother to read the original link? It says viral marketing, and that's as vague as you can get. Your friend telling you that he likes his new ATI card and that it's fast is viral marketing.
Unless something explodes out of the closet with HRC + ATI planting shills on forums like AEG, I don't see why everyone is so upset and declaring this the ATI AEG? I don't see anything conclusively unethical here.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Bullet point this.
Was it, or was it not you, who for the past several years been preaching that anyone who believes what they read on the internet, as ignorant?
All I am saying is, anything, and I mean anything to do with ATI, seems to be "less evil" in your eyes. I know you know this. So please, do not insult our collective intelligence here and just be freakin honest with us for a change.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Bullet point this.
Was it, or was it not you, who for the past several years been preaching that anyone who believes what they read on the internet, as ignorant?
All I am saying is, anything, and I mean anything to do with ATI, seems to be "less evil" in your eyes. I know you know this. So please, do not insult our collective intelligence here and just be freakin honest with us for a change.
I have said time and time again, that you shouldnt believe everything you read on the internet. When I have said that, its been in regards to rumors. Not to official sites, with methods they use to operate. C'mon, its common sense. Just because CNN has news on the internet, doesnt mean I dont believe it. What I have a problem with, is the Inq or some other crappy rumor site, posting something, and people diving right in and believing it without regard.
I am being honest. Perhaps you should try it too? Going by HR and AEGs site, do they look anything alike? AEG admits to "Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks, and Message board monitoring and response." NR does nothing of the kind according to their website. Do they do such things? I dont know, and until we have evidence that they do, we have to assume they do not. Why? Because their website doesnt mention anything of the kind.
If NR does practices these things, and its comes out that they do, I will be just as harsh to them, and the people who are in the program, as I have been to AEG, and their partners. Ill pull no punches, and even give more because ATi said they wouldnt do the same thing. Thats as honest as I can be. I dont know what else you want from me.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
@ Ackmed.
Regarding:
perhaps you should actually read the bullet points from AEG's page. Also, as pointd out, viral in itself, is not a bad thing. As mentioned earlier, most people think of "virus" or something like that.
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Viral Marketing Defined
What does a virus have to do with marketing? Viral marketing describes any strategy that encourages individuals to pass on a marketing message to others, creating the potential for exponential growth in the message's exposure and influence. Like viruses, such strategies take advantage of rapid multiplication to explode the message to thousands, to millions.
Off the Internet, viral marketing has been referred to as "word-of-mouth," "creating a buzz," "leveraging the media," "network marketing." But on the Internet, for better or worse, it's called "viral marketing." While others smarter than I have attempted to rename it, to somehow domesticate and tame it, I won't try. The term "viral marketing" has stuck.
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http://www.wilsonweb.com/wmt5/viral-principles.htm
As you can see, "viral" in itself, is not what most people think. If HR resorts to the same methods as AEG, then I am as apposed to HR as I am to AEG. Why do you people not understand this? Going by HR and AEGs website, they both have different methods.
Bullet point this.
Was it, or was it not you, who for the past several years been preaching that anyone who believes what they read on the internet, as ignorant?
All I am saying is, anything, and I mean anything to do with ATI, seems to be "less evil" in your eyes. I know you know this. So please, do not insult our collective intelligence here and just be freakin honest with us for a change.
@ BEGGARKING:
Stop with the witch hunt please. You are no better than they were if you continue with this. If it's for revenge, it's all that much sadder. So, I am asking you to please stop. -thanks.
Originally posted by: Topweasel
My point, without knowing what people if any were involved, in the AEG witchhunt of Q106, Didn't stop the accusations and pure hatred from being slung? No. But the ATI defence when it was even suggested that they use any form of Viral marketing was trashed because there was no proof, and most said if ATI did use viral marketing they would treat them worse because ATI said they didn't use it. Now that it has been proven ATI does/did use it, How can they just alter their standards. They sound exactly like that wife who agreed to threesome if her husband got 200,000 viewers on his website. She ended up changing the number to like 2 million because of a tehcnicality.
Actually I wish I went to AEGs site earlier.Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: Topweasel
My point, without knowing what people if any were involved, in the AEG witchhunt of Q106, Didn't stop the accusations and pure hatred from being slung? No. But the ATI defence when it was even suggested that they use any form of Viral marketing was trashed because there was no proof, and most said if ATI did use viral marketing they would treat them worse because ATI said they didn't use it. Now that it has been proven ATI does/did use it, How can they just alter their standards. They sound exactly like that wife who agreed to threesome if her husband got 200,000 viewers on his website. She ended up changing the number to like 2 million because of a tehcnicality.
By saying "treat them worse", are you implying that HRC is employing AEG forum influencial tactics undercover?
As I said earlier, all we know is that HRC claims they use viral marketing, which is as vague as you can get. We can't draw any conclusions here.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Where in that quote does it say anything about spreading "fires, misinformation, rumors, leaks, or message board monitoring"? It doesnt. Once again, HR and AEGs site both state things that are a lot different. HR does not mention anything like AEGs does. AEG admits to starting rumors, spreading misinformation, starting fires, and monitoring message boards. HR does none of the above.
My credit? I really dont care what anyone thinks about me. You've been proven wrong on several accounts in regards to me. You claim I was trolling in a thread about 7900 cards dying. Yet, it turns out it is a real problem, no matter how hard you try to act as if its not. HardOCP did an article about it.
Your registeration date, and thinking you know me is pretty interesting though.
Crisis management has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I'm amazed you just went to the site and copy / pasted a bunch of words that you thought would aid in your FUD attempts. Lol, honestly, why on earth would nVidia hire an agency to "leak" their products, or giveout mis-information. Either you are heavely confused, or just adamently realizing that you have nothing left to argue, and thus are trying to go for whatever you can.CRISIS MANAGEMENT
- Strategic counsel and implementation: Fires, Misinformation, Rumors, Leaks
The Bottom Line
There are some ?bad? 7900 video cards out there right now if you are going to shop for the overclocked variety. Again, it seems to me BFGTech is catching less flack than EVGA and XFX, but that is not a scientific observation. Keep in mind that BFGTech does not overclock their cards as high as EVGA or XFX. If I were buying an overclocked 7900 card right now, I would be leaning towards BFGTech or EVGA simply because they have a much better reputation when it comes to warranty, support, and service.
If you have a card to RMA, return it to the card builder, not the retailer. Given the awareness level of this problem at this time I would suggest that you have a much better chance of getting a solid 7900 directly from the card builder.
Lastly, I would not let this scare me away from buying an overclocked GeForce 7900 series video card as all the players are very aware something is going on with the cards and trying their best to make sure the problem is solved. Then again, there does seem to be certain level of risk with buying an overclocked card so a non-overclocked 7900 from a reputable builder might be a smart option. Just remember that when you are buying a video card that you are paying for service, support, and warranty as well as the hardware.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
What if some of the people who lobbied against Rollo/AEG were actually ATI group members, with whoever had their contract before HRC? Could be they just wanted to silence their competition, and did so, here.