ATI hires HRC PR Firm

[rbV5]

Honestly. ATI already has employees and beta testers around. What form of viral marketing is HR going to implement for them then

I'm an ATI beta tester and haven't been contacted by any marketing firm or asked to do any type of marketing at all. The first I've heard of HRC is this thread.

I test beta software for ATI, and I refuse to take part in any type of this nonsense and will quit the program if asked to be involved in any type of marketing shenanigans...period.

I see nothing at the beta forum about this at all.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: beggerking
apoppin, I thought you said you were going to shut up a few pages ago.?

Your posts continue to amaze me with their wit, charm, and intelligence.

dont see you make the same comment with Joker's posts.

That's because I haven't seen him posting lately, genius.
And I've not once seen Joker post 5 posts in a row in a single thread, on every page, half of them telling people to "shut up" or calling others "such a loser".

You are purposefully trolling just for the sake of it, and I hope you get banned.

You must be blind. Go back a few pages and you'll see his posts. ya, I reported him.

frankly I don't care. BTW you have done nothing but troll in this thread.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079
First off, its good that you apologized. Lesser people wouldn't have done so.

Why don't I care if BFG called you an AEG, because right now I think there is zero evidence for anyone to call anyone else a shill. Suspiction is one thing, but to acuse is another. If people are going to start calling others a shill, then however they are going about doing it is of their own concern, not mine.

That is why I don't care if Joker calls you a shill, or you call Joker a shill, or if BFG calls you a shill, or if Jack calls Jane a shill....etc. If someone wants to make that bold claim as of now, that is their own business and I am not to take a part in it what so ever.

Originally posted by: josh6079
I do, however, interrupt when people start throwing around fanboy or troll without any thought behind it, which is what you were doing. So to answer your obsessive question about Joker, no, I do not think he is a shill just like I don't think you are a shill. As far as his participation goes, he hasn't gotten anyone confused and began mislableing them as a fanboy or witchunter nor does he say useless things like, "beggerking you are such a fan + shill...OMG..."

That is why I haven't gotten on Joker yet in this thread, because he hasn't gotten anyone "confused" as to who they even are. You don't even know who you were arguing with...you were just arguing. Then when you found out that I wasn't even here when I supposedly did so much damage to you, you apologized.

Then after you apologized, you retracted it as soon as I said that you have derailed this thread more than Joker (which others will agree with me on this I'm sure. Should I start a pole on another thread to find out?) Anytime someone thinks you are getting out of line you call them a fanboy, troll, or shrill. Then you ask why aren't you doing that to Joker!?!? Damn boy, here you need to do this (again)

http://www.moviesounds.com/2001/stress.wav

Originally posted by: dramaqueen...I mean beggerking

Joker is doing personal insults, accusing me of AEG along with BFG, and they've done it ever since. And you are excusing them ?

Now I know why I remember you as the utterly biased.

Here you sentence doesn't even make sense. Basically you said that Joker and BFG are accusing you of AEG and have been doing it ever since. (ever since when I don't know, my guess is the AEG thread back in Feburary that I "hurt" you in but wasn't there)

Once again, if you didn't get that through the first read:

I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS GROUNDS TO CALL ANYONE A SHILL AS OF YET. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH PROOF, JUST SPECULATIONS.

And no, I wasn't excusing them, just saying that I thought it was an unguided arrow just like your attacks on me were/are. You think you are so much more dignifying and respectable then them, but really no one here has supported you yet...even other very unbiased people say you are crazy and have a condition. It only stands out more when you say:

Originally posted by: dramaqueen

Havn't seen you post anything other than troll comments and personal insults in any threads.. what exactly are you doing here?

You have asked yourself a question and didn't even know it. The supposedly biased redbox that you also are trying to but heads with has at least tried to say something to ATI and told others that they should try and relay this thread's thoughts to ATI. You have done nothing but expect apologies from people who you have insulted. Even though they may have "started it" you can't expect to get an apology by going about it the way you are.

STFU already and leave. No, you will not get any apologies from me as I do not owe you any. You wrongfully accused me, apologized, then retracted that apology only to wrongfully accuse me again all while misreading my comments and continuing to make every fumbling sentence of yours a post. No wonder why so many are telling you to shut up.

Now can we start back on the idea of telling ATI about how we believe this will only degrade forums (look what its doing to this one). The 2007fpw gradient banding forum actually did that, and guess what? They now have an actual Dell representive who has joined Anandtech to help discuss the resolutions to the customers/members here. Maybe we can learn from that....

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: beggerking

so its time for you to apologize to everybody who you accused.

Oh, pu-lease. You were the one igniting claims of people being ATi shills and FanATIcs.

If you want to play with fire then be prepared to get burned.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: beggerking
apoppin, I thought you said you were going to shut up a few pages ago.?

Your posts continue to amaze me with their wit, charm, and intelligence.

dont see you make the same comment with Joker's posts.

That's because I haven't seen him posting lately, genius.
And I've not once seen Joker post 5 posts in a row in a single thread, on every page, half of them telling people to "shut up" or calling others "such a loser".

You are purposefully trolling just for the sake of it, and I hope you get banned.

You must be blind. Go back a few pages and you'll see his posts. ya, I reported him.

frankly I don't care. BTW you have done nothing but troll in this thread.

And? Just because you're claiming I trolled doesn't take away from the fact that you're doing just that. I'm not the one insulting people. I'm pointing out your garbage, pure and simple. Get over it.

And correct, I am blind. Legally blind. Anything else?

 

[redbox]

Ok guys I have sent an email now to theconsumerist to go along with my aim message.
Here is what I sent. Feel free to add to it or tell me about a change that would need to be put into place.

"ATI, a video card maker, has chosen to higher a company to help them market their video solutions better. The problem is the company is involved in viral marketing. A form of marketing usually associated with word of mouth. The main result of this kind of marketing is stealth operations in forums, where these employees try to spread positive rumors about certain products and down play the competition.
Here is the link: Here is the link http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?tid=1&xml=4.1.xml&aid=219"

My goal is to take the fight to the company not the employee. Hope this helps.

Please tell me if I am leaving anything out of here or I worded something wrong. I want this to kinda represent our collective disagreement about this type of marketing.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: redbox
Ok guys I have sent an email now to theconsumerist to go along with my aim message.
Here is what I sent. Feel free to add to it or tell me about a change that would need to be put into place.

"ATI, a video card maker, has chosen to higher a company to help them market their video solutions better. The problem is the company is involved in viral marketing. A form of marketing usually associated with word of mouth. The main result of this kind of marketing is stealth operations in forums, where these employees try to spread positive rumors about certain products and down play the competition.
Here is the link: Here is the link http://www.highroad.com/HighRoad/default.aspx?tid=1&xml=4.1.xml&aid=219"

My goal is to take the fight to the company not the employee. Hope this helps.

Please tell me if I am leaving anything out of here or I worded something wrong. I want this to kinda represent our collective disagreement about this type of marketing.

Looks great, except you should have spelled "higher" as "hire".

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Honestly. ATI already has employees and beta testers around. What form of viral marketing is HR going to implement for them then

I'm an ATI beta tester and haven't been contacted by any marketing firm or asked to do any type of marketing at all. The first I've heard of HRC is this thread.

I test beta software for ATI, and I refuse to take part in any type of this nonsense and will quit the program if asked to be involved in any type of marketing shenanigans...period.

I see nothing at the beta forum about this at all.

Aha! Thou thought thyself very cunning, didn't thou? But I see through thy web of deception. Scurrilous wretch, thy own guilt hath undone thee! Clearly, thou art a demon dredged up from the fiery, red depths of Hell.

Look, every one! See with thine own eyes how the devil categorically denies his involvement before anyone tries to prove it. This proves that his red heart doth conceal blackest sin!

Quickly, now! Bind this red spawn of Satan lest the devil cast a demonic spell upon thee and eat thy women and children. Throw 'im in the lake, and if he doesn't drown, he must be guilty - then we'll burn him at the stake!

May the mods have mercy on your soul.

- Witch Hunting 101

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: rbV5

Honestly. ATI already has employees and beta testers around. What form of viral marketing is HR going to implement for them then

I'm an ATI beta tester and haven't been contacted by any marketing firm or asked to do any type of marketing at all. The first I've heard of HRC is this thread.

I test beta software for ATI, and I refuse to take part in any type of this nonsense and will quit the program if asked to be involved in any type of marketing shenanigans...period.

I see nothing at the beta forum about this at all.

Aha! Thou thought thyself very cunning, didn't thou? But I see through thy web of deception. Scurrilous wretch, thy own guilt hath undone thee! Clearly, thou art a demon dredged up from the fiery, red depths of Hell.

Look, every one! See with thine own eyes how the devil categorically denies his involvement before anyone tries to prove it. This proves that his red heart doth conceal blackest sin!

Quickly, now! Bind this red spawn of Satan lest the devil cast a demonic spell upon thee and eat thy women and children. Throw 'im in the lake, and if he doesn't drown, he must be guilty - then we'll burn him at the stake!

May the mods have mercy on your soul.

- Witch Hunting 101

You're a waiter/actor, aren't you...

 

[Keysplayr]

Just posted over at H and FS to let the folks over there know about it. I didn't see any threads on this over at those sites.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Just posted over at H and FS to let the folks over there know about it. I didn't see any threads on this over at those sites.

Oddly enough this was the only site where the AEG thing was a big deal. I would assume HRC won't be a big deal anywhere else. The hypocrisy of how some people acted in the other thread and now act the opposite in this thread, is what interests me most about ATI hiring a viral marketing firm.

AEG\HRC does not seem to matter so much as it seems people will act poorly without any backing. I don't think any marketing firm would support outright trolling as it serves them no purpose. I'm sure they just want to make their "focus group" happy and have that happiness extend to their postings in various places.

If AEG\HRC gave me a free card, I would be happy to talk about it (as it seems both companies have nice high end cards). I would not lie or embellish anything. True I do come off as being one sided on this forum, but I was very displeased with how some from the "other side" were acting and stepped in. I am on many other forums and I don't have such problems there.

I think the AEG thing was just one bad apple spoiling the bunch and the HRC thing is just pure irony.

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Oddly enough this was the only site where the AEG thing was a big deal. I would assume HRC won't be a big deal anywhere else. The hypocrisy of how some people acted in the other thread and now act the opposite in this thread, is what interests me most about ATI hiring a viral marketing firm.

AEG\HRC does not seem to matter so much as it seems people will act poorly without any backing. I don't think any marketing firm would support outright trolling as it serves them no purpose. I'm sure they just want to make their "focus group" happy and have that happiness extend to their postings in various places.

If AEG\HRC gave me a free card, I would be happy to talk about it (as it seems both companies have nice high end cards). I would not lie or embellish anything. True I do come off as being one sided on this forum, but I was very displeased with how some from the "other side" were acting and stepped in. I am on many other forums and I don't have such problems there.

I think the AEG thing was just one bad apple spoiling the bunch and the HRC thing is just pure irony.

The two parts that I bolded are why I dont think you are seeing the same reaction between AEG and the news that ATI hired HRC.

I think we all know who that "one bad apple" was, and that is at least part of the reason it caused more unrest here. What I don't understand is, if we are both thinking of the same "bad apple" why did you put you own reputation at risk by defending him?

 

[josh6079]

Okay, the link was to the HRC website. Did you send them that message or did you sent ATI that message? Personally, I think it would be better to send it to ATI and let them know our dissapointment, not the company that was just hired.

So, I've sen't one to ATI. If you did too that's great. The more people we get complaining about this, the better chance we have of them doing something different. That "better chance" might not be very much, but hey its worth the shot.

EDIT: Oh, here is what I wrote:

I am a memeber of the Anandtech forums who has recently discovered that ATI has hired HRC, an advertising company that uses a particular strategy contrary to normal advertising known as "Viral Marketing". In this strategy, we see activity in forums, an area that is meant to serve as an unbiased and helpful directory for buying options and technical assitance, that disrupts normal assitance. This disruption varies from meaningless bantering that distracts the readers and other posters from the true question or assitance, to a banishment of posting rights from any particular member.

Because of the disruption that can occur using that advertising strategy, viral marketing, I am asking as a forum memeber and a present and possibly future ATI purchaser and supporter not to let such actions occur. I am aware that "Viral" has many meanings in terms of sales and advertising, yet I have seen the result of one of those meanings and rather not have to deal with anything of the sort when seeking pure, unsponsored help with video hardware. I also do not know the details in how such a merger is produced nor mantained, yet I strongly urge such tatics to be excluded in ATI's advertising.

It is not my place to demand how ATI's busniess transactions should be done; however, I can voice my concern about certain executive decisions. I am only a consumer and if ATI is concerned about consumer's inputs, then I will let them know mine.


Current ATI Product Owner and Possible Future Consumer,

Josh

 

[beggerking]

"I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS GROUNDS TO CALL ANYONE A SHILL AS OF YET. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH PROOF, JUST SPECULATIONS.And no, I wasn't excusing them, just saying that I thought it was an unguided arrow just like your attacks on me were/are. You think you are so much more dignifying and respectable then them, but really no one here has supported you yet...even other very unbiased people say you are crazy and have a condition. "

Josh, looks like you posted one of the longest post ever with personal attacks etc. You don't think anyone has ground to call another a shill, but that is exactly what happened in the AEG thread, and you stated they don't owe us an apology? Yet you demand an apology from me?

no one has supported me yet? so what you basically saying is you'll go with the majority. Let me tell you, that is exactly what happened with the real witch hunt years ago. People went with majority and people were burned. But at least they apologized later on and realized whta they did was wrong. The problem here is those who called people out didn't even come to a realization that they were wrong, but instead, people like Joker, BFG , they kept posting personal attacks even in this thread.

btw, who are you consider as unbiased?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: dramaqueen

and you stated they don't owe us an apology? Yet you demand an apology from me?[/b]

Your replies are just as comical as they are stupid anymore dramaqueen. I said that I do not owe you an apology since I figured that is what you were going to want after my last post directed towards you that contained some insults. And no, I did not demand an apology from you since you can't even keep the first one you made right after redbox showed the AEG thread date and my join date.

Josh, looks like you posted one of the longest post ever with personal attacks etc. You don't think anyone has ground to call another a shill, but that is exactly what happened in the AEG thread

Once again, you STILL don't know who you are talking to!! I WAS NOT HERE WHEN THE AEG THREAD OCCURED. I JOINED AFTER THE FACT. You even apologized once when you saw that the first time, then retracted it, then accused me of it again!?! Have you ever heard of "double jeopardy"? The law uses it for a reason. If you're saying that in the AEG thread people accused others as being shills, I can't comment on if it was justified then as I was not there nor have read it.

no one has supported me yet? so what you basically saying is you'll go with the majority.

I will as long as the minority is as smart as you.

Let me tell you, that is exactly what happened with the real witch hunt years ago.

Once again, I wouldn't know as I was not here then. And, once again, if the minority in that time frame was as smart as you, I would definately stay with the "majority". It is funny how you are labeling others as the majority yourself. So you see how no one is supporting you. You must see it that way if you think I'm trying to side with a "majority" and I'm not agreeing with you since that would make you the "minority". Truth is, I'm just trying to side with logic and common sense. If that's a "majority" to you then you have yet another mental issue.

People went with majority and people were burned. But at least they apologized later on and realized whta they did was wrong. The problem here is those who called people out didn't even come to a realization that they were wrong, but instead, people like Joker, BFG , they kept posting personal attacks even in this thread.

So you saying that I'm biased, a fanATIc, and a troll isn't a personal attack?

btw, who are you consider as unbiased?

In this thread? It has gone on so long that I'm not going to research back through all of the pages here (50% of them being your rediculous and obsessive Joker related posts) People like redbox, keysplayer2003, me (as I haven't said anything positive about either AEG or HRC), and anyone else who hasn't made the claim that someone else is a shill without any evidence or accused someone as being a fanboy without researching a little.

The fact is, dramaqueen, that you are just arguing anymore either just to do it, or to try and save what very little credibility you have left. That or you are the biggest troll I have EVER encountered. Your arguments are nothing but things that you have misread yourself, your attacks on me are unresearched an unguided, the things I supposedly did to you took place before I was even in existence here, and you continue to disrupt any progress away from arguing. STFU already.

 

[5150Joker]

Josh, beggerking is a mental midget that loves attention through trolling. It's best to ignore the tard.

 

[sisq0kidd]

?

WTF is wrong with all of you? Bad is bad regardless of how bad. It's like choosing the lesser of two evils! Go ahead and argue semantics about what camp and which company was worse, but you're just splitting hairs.

And yes, for those of us who do not have green or red glasses on, we can see clearly who is backpeddling and who is just out for revenge.


Edit: And for the record you guys hurt this forum; not Nvidia, not ATI. It wasn't Rollo himself it wasn't Nvidia themselves. It was all you idiots who faked rightousness for a personal vendetta. So finally, pot, meet kettle.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: fierydemise

The suspicious circumstances where how Crusader showed up out of no where and just started defending Rollo (after claiming to have been watching these forums for so long, I did defended him once too. If you want to continue this PM me because I really don't want to derail this thread any longer.

I defended Rollo for his honesty , so am I suspecious to you?

The point is, you tried to "seek out" AEG members like its some sort of witch hunt, which is utterly unnecessary and childish as did Ackmed, Apoppin etc.

Defended Rollo for his honesty!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

You're a joke.

 

[Keysplayr]

Here is something of interest guys.
I posted a thread at H and FS about this.

Here is the link. Keep in mind that I did not mention AEG whatsoever in the OP, but someone swooped in. Guess who...

I will leave it to you to figure out who he is.

H thread regarding HRC.

Apparently, this user really felt the need to defend HRC. Why? I think I know, but you be the judge.

 

[josh6079]

Yeah, I didn't have to even see your post that said his Anandtech name; I knew who it was before you did so.

But what does that have to do with getting our thoughts out to ATI about this?

 

[Keysplayr]

Well, I just had a thought that I didn't share yet. What if, and this sounds pretty crazy, some people would actually contact ATI with approval of this sort of thing? I mean, just as much as others want to voice their disproval to ATI over this, are there actually people who would contact them to congratulate and endorse them? That's what came to mind for a moment when reading that H post.

Nuts right?

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Here is something of interest guys.
I posted a thread at H and FS about this.

Here is the link. Keep in mind that I did not mention AEG whatsoever in the OP, but someone swooped in. Guess who...

I will leave it to you to figure out who he is.

H thread regarding HRC.

Apparently, this user really felt the need to defend HRC. Why? I think I know, but you be the judge.

Well, my only problem with the whole thing is that we've seen what AEG does, but we have not conclusively witnessed the same thing from HRC. Granted, since they're doing viral marketing, like you mentioned in that thread, it is best aided by stealth, so there is a decent chance that something very similar could be happening...which I think is what he is trying to point out. I could be wrong.

I'm just going to wait and see if/when something falls out of the closet.
Until then, I'm just going to hope that we aren't having a repeat occur right under our noses, and if so...I'll be unhappy when I find out.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Honestly. ATI already has employees and beta testers around. What form of viral marketing is HR going to implement for them then

I'm an ATI beta tester and haven't been contacted by any marketing firm or asked to do any type of marketing at all. The first I've heard of HRC is this thread.

I test beta software for ATI, and I refuse to take part in any type of this nonsense and will quit the program if asked to be involved in any type of marketing shenanigans...period.

I see nothing at the beta forum about this at all.

Sorry, I worded that wrong perhaps.

I meant that if ATI already has public beta testers and employees publically posting around forums, what kind of online prescence is HR going to add?

I wouldn't suspect them to use current beta testers or empolyees as many forms of viral marketing rely on stealth.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Here is something of interest guys.
I posted a thread at H and FS about this.

Here is the link. Keep in mind that I did not mention AEG whatsoever in the OP, but someone swooped in. Guess who...

I will leave it to you to figure out who he is.

H thread regarding HRC.

Apparently, this user really felt the need to defend HRC. Why? I think I know, but you be the judge.

Well, my only problem with the whole thing is that we've seen what AEG does, but we have not conclusively witnessed the same thing from HRC. Granted, since they're doing viral marketing, like you mentioned in that thread, it is best aided by stealth, so there is a decent chance that something very similar could be happening...which I think is what he is trying to point out. I could be wrong.

I'm just going to wait and see if/when something falls out of the closet.
Until then, I'm just going to hope that we aren't having a repeat occur right under our noses, and if so...I'll be unhappy when I find out.

QFT.

Until we actually see what kind of "viral" marketing HRC does, they are just as bad as AEG. For advertising/salesman/viral marketing, the rule of thumb is guilty until proven innocent. If HRC starts implementing cells of sponsors into our forums, trashes Nvidia in the future no matter if they are doing something better than ATI, and constantly recommends an ATI card even if it is a complete rip off and poor investment, then we will know that the two are identical. It's just that that's the problem, we don't know anything but that they participate in viral marketing, a standard that was set--in here anyways--by AEG. Because of that, HRC is--right now--ATI's AEG.

The simple fact that they haven't done that yet, doesn't mean they are better than AEG. If in the future they do not do the things I mentioned above, then we can give a breath of relief knowing that every time we ask a video question a sponsored representative/salesman who spreads deals around by word of mouth isn't going to start giving us his/her preview.

Whoever thought of viral marketing should be shot.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Here is something of interest guys.
I posted a thread at H and FS about this.

Here is the link. Keep in mind that I did not mention AEG whatsoever in the OP, but someone swooped in. Guess who...

I will leave it to you to figure out who he is.

H thread regarding HRC.

Apparently, this user really felt the need to defend HRC. Why? I think I know, but you be the judge.

You're implying he's a viral marketer which is a stupid assumption - for all we know, you could be an AEG viral marketer for wanting to incriminate Ackmed/Fallguy as an HRC marketer, see how that works? He's very vocal about his position and regularly purchases nVidia cards. I think HRC/AEG have both learned a lesson from the Rollo fiasco and would never employ someone with such visibility. Even Rollo is no longer part of AEG.