ATI needs to reduce its product line!

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Rampage

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Steelski
All this however annoying is really clever marketing. infact is some cases ATI offer the same cards with different lables. X800 and X800GTO are almost identical.
Remember that ATI are not doing this for us (the not so avarage Johns) but for the person that goes into a blace to buy (PC world in the UK) and he sees lots and lots of Radeons with all nice names and colours, He sees less GeForce products and then thinks. This Radeon must be really something if there are so many of them. Or something to that effect. The fact that the 7000(radeon) series is still around is that someone forgot to get onboard graphics to their email browser. Its just marketing really.

Or, if he's an nvidia user interested in possibly trying ATI products, he gets confused and discouraged.

The clean, simple Nvidia lineup is the way to run a company and lead the industry.

More FUD from the fanboy who is waiting at every turn to slam ATI?

The nVidia lineup, while not as bad as ATI's is not exactly clean and simple. If we're talking about only the latest product cycle, both ATI and nVidia are somewhat clear cut on which card is better than another. Even then, we have room for confusion with cards like some 6600's that are actually more powerful than some 6800's. And let's not forget that this dates back to the so called Geforce 4's that were worse performance wise than Geforce 3's in case you were thinking it was a one time blip on the radar.

This is by no means to imply that ATI is not guilty of having a confusing lineup, just that nVidia itself doesn't have a clean and simple lineup. Both companies are in the business of making money and a bit of confusion actually helps them achieve higher profits.

 

[GZDynastar]

this is what i see when i look at ati:

1300x
1300xt
1300blt
1300rip
1350xt
1350xtr
1350txr
1600tx
1600xts
1600stx
1600omg
1600xtsl
1800
1800l
1800lx
1800lol
1800xt
1800tx
1800txr
1800xtr
1800rxt
1800rofl
1800pro
1800proxt
1800proxtpe

i think my eyes are screwed up...

 

[Budarow]

[/quote]The clean, simple Nvidia lineup is the way to run a company and lead the industry.[/quote]

This last round of GPUs (X800 verses 6800/7800) goes like this:

nVidia (dazzle them with brilliance) = 6800/7800 cards came out on time and/or were better performers for the $$$. Mostly straight forward model numbers and a lot less models (just enough to hit every price point/market segment with minimal overlap)

ATI (baffle them with BS) = X800 cards were late to market and/or priced HIGHER than comparable nVidia models. Confussing model numbers, LOTs of different models (extreme overlapping of models intended to make many peeps THINK they are getting a high end card when in fact its a castrated model "LOOKING" like a high end card).

ATI is throwing in this "confusion" because they just didn't have the right products at the right time and need to make money to survive.

nVidia was in the same boat and did the same thing ~2-3 years ago.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: GZDynastar
this is what i see when i look at ati:

1300x
1300xt
1300blt
1300rip
1350xt
1350xtr
1350txr
1600tx
1600xts
1600stx
1600omg
1600xtsl
1800
1800l
1800lx
1800lol
1800xt
1800tx
1800txr
1800xtr
1800rxt
1800rofl
1800pro
1800proxt
1800proxtpe

i think my eyes are screwed up...

So does that mean the nVidia lineup looks something like this?

6200
6200TC
6500
6600
6600GS
6600GT
6600LE
6800
6800OMG
6800NVI
6800DIA
6800FAN
6800BOY
6800FUD
6800XT
6800GT
6800GTR
7300GS
7800GT
7800GTX
7800GTX512MB (Phantom Edition)

And so on and so forth. I could keep adding letters of the alphabet at the end of model numbers just like you can. :disgust:

 

[Clauzii]

It´s all about yield and money per Wafer. The more DIEs usable, the more cards in different flavours.

Seen this way it looks like ATI at the moment is trying to flood the market for branding perposes, which for me is fine. OK, it gives a little too many(!!) to choose from, but everyone can get it, no matter the size of their wallet, got 30$ (or less) to spend for a dualscreen nice 2D-card (Radeon7000) - well there U go....

I wouldn´t even dare to discuss the variety of CPUs, HDs, Soundcards etc. as I´m already sweting thinkin´..

PS: BOTH ATI and nVidia needs to reduce

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Budarow

The clean, simple Nvidia lineup is the way to run a company and lead the industry.[/quote]

This last round of GPUs (X800 verses 6800/7800) goes like this:

nVidia (dazzle them with brilliance) = 6800/7800 cards came out on time and/or were better performers for the $$$. Mostly straight forward model numbers and a lot less models (just enough to hit every price point/market segment with minimal overlap)

ATI (baffle them with BS) = X800 cards were late to market and/or priced HIGHER than comparable nVidia models. Confussing model numbers, LOTs of different models (extreme overlapping of models intended to make many peeps THINK they are getting a high end card when in fact its a castrated model "LOOKING" like a high end card).

ATI is throwing in this "confusion" because they just didn't have the right products at the right time and need to make money to survive.

nVidia was in the same boat and did the same thing ~2-3 years ago.[/quote]

I see you are a little biased toward Nvidia but what you said is true.

the FX series was real bad.
GF4 mx420,440,460 were actually GF2
FX5200 had 64bit and 128bit version that perform vastly different
the 5500 was close in performance to 128bit version of FX5200
5600 was okay, but priced sky high for its performance
then there were ultra, 5700, 5700 le, 5800, 5900 , 5900 ultra etc, xt variant etc


but Nvidia learned to straight themselves up, but ATI kept on the confusing card naming.

 

[Steelski]

this thread has gone to hell now.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Steelski
this thread has gone to hell now.

That makes 2 of us that feel that way.

 

[hemmy]

Originally posted by: CKXP
think about what NV did the 6800 lineup...6800le,6800xt,6800,6800gs,6800gt, and 6800ultra

ATI: X800, X800SE, X800GTO, X800GTO2, X800 Pro, X800XL, X800XT, X800XTPE

 

[DieHardware]

Originally posted by: GZDynastar
this is what i see when i look at ati:

1300x
1300xt
1300blt
1300rip
1337OMGBFGQFTSTFU!
1350xt
1350xtr
1350txr
1600tx
1600xts
1600stx
1600omg
1600xtsl
1800
1800l
1800lx
1800lol
1800xt
1800tx
1800txr
1800xtr
1800rxt
1800rofl
1800pro
1800proxt
1800proxtpe

i think my eyes are screwed up...

Fixed

 

[TanisHalfElven]

i think its great that so many cars exist. it gives ppl like me who don't spend $$$ to spend many options and cheap cards.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
i think its great that so many cars exist. it gives ppl like me who don't spend $$$ to spend many options and cheap cards.

Or confuse people that don't know anything about cards?
What sounds better, Pro or XT? That's probably how they buy their cards. (Or they just ask the guy at the store "It only came out last week!")

 

[Budarow]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: Budarow

The clean, simple Nvidia lineup is the way to run a company and lead the industry.

This last round of GPUs (X800 verses 6800/7800) goes like this:

nVidia (dazzle them with brilliance) = 6800/7800 cards came out on time and/or were better performers for the $$$. Mostly straight forward model numbers and a lot less models (just enough to hit every price point/market segment with minimal overlap)

ATI (baffle them with BS) = X800 cards were late to market and/or priced HIGHER than comparable nVidia models. Confussing model numbers, LOTs of different models (extreme overlapping of models intended to make many peeps THINK they are getting a high end card when in fact its a castrated model "LOOKING" like a high end card).

ATI is throwing in this "confusion" because they just didn't have the right products at the right time and need to make money to survive.

nVidia was in the same boat and did the same thing ~2-3 years ago.[/quote]

I see you are a little biased toward Nvidia but what you said is true.

the FX series was real bad.
GF4 mx420,440,460 were actually GF2
FX5200 had 64bit and 128bit version that perform vastly different
the 5500 was close in performance to 128bit version of FX5200
5600 was okay, but priced sky high for its performance
then there were ultra, 5700, 5700 le, 5800, 5900 , 5900 ultra etc, xt variant etc


but Nvidia learned to straight themselves up, but ATI kept on the confusing card naming.
[/quote]

Honestly...if anything, I'm ATI biased "right now" and ONLY because WE NEED solid competiton with at least 2 top video card makers in order to keep prices down and tech. improving.

nVidia ONLY stopped playing the major "confusion game" because they didn't need to (for the reasons I stated up above).

For both nVidia and ATI...the "die shrink" to a cutting edge process (which was NOT ready for prime time) cost each firm in turn a LOT.

If ATI doesn't get their "ship right" it wouldn't take long for them to go the way of 3DFX. The PC business (and graphics particularly) is brutal and unforegiving.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: hemmy

Originally posted by: CKXP
think about what NV did the 6800 lineup...6800le,6800xt,6800,6800gs,6800gt, and 6800ultra

ATI: X800, X800SE, X800GTO, X800GTO2, X800 Pro, X800XL, X800XT, X800XTPE

Yes, but the X800's for ATi, are the highend, to the lower end. If you add the 6600's from NV, its pretty close to the amount if cards.

In the end, it really doesnt matter. Its not like BB, CompUSA, or any others are going to have all of these cards on the shelf at one time. And if someone is buying from newegg and installing it themselves, then they need to research before they buy, just like anything else. More cards, means more choices for the consumer. At least we havent seen a GF4MX fiasco in a while.

Seperate the AGP from PCI-E, and its nearly as much. And this is another reason why we need to drop AGP all together, and go only with PCI-E. Within a year or two, there would be a lot less cards to be "confused" by.

Think there are too many video cards to choose from? Try going shopping with a woman for jeans or something. Low/medium/high/etc rise, all with different styles such as, bootcut, straight leg, and about a billion others. Now thats confusing!

 

[The Sly Syl]

Thing's always start out very easy to understand.

When I got my videocard, there was a choice between a 6800GT and a 6800Ultra, or an X800pro or X800XT.

lower end- 9600's, mid end - 9800's
The wonderful 6600GT's were just about to be released and were clear victor for midrange.


It's when a series matures that it gets more difficult to understand.
6800's, 6800nu's, 6800le,s 6600LE...

The new cards are relatively simple too when they first came out.

7800GT, 7800GTX, 7800GTX 512.
X1800, X1800XT, X1800XTPE. (i think?)

then as they get cheaper, more variations are released... the system gets all messed up.

 

[Budarow]

...then as they get cheaper, more variations are released... the system gets all messed up.

You hit the nail on the head!! As the price drops, so the "profit compression" begins and so does the confusion get started with the twisted model numbers and such. Card makers/sellers get deceptive trying to "squeeze out" a few extra bucks in profit by disguising a lower performing card as a higher performing card.

 

[Munky]

Bottom line: if you dont know the difference between a x850xt and a x850pro, then you should just stick to buying whatever Dell gives you.

 

[Budarow]

Originally posted by: munky
Bottom line: if you dont know the difference between a x850xt and a x850pro, then you should just stick to buying whatever Dell gives you.

Or better yet...frequently read this forum But if you can't read, follow above advice