ATI R520 (X1800) benches!!!!!!!

[dguy6789]

ATi comes to the game very late, overpriced, and still in the best case scenario, it performs equivalent to a card that has been out for some time, and is cheaper. But sadly, the 7800GTX is faster in just about EVERY scenario.


Bye Bye ATi :thumbsdown:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Wow. I waited six months for less improvement than I expected on the ATi front. Oh well, I'll wait for the next gen from nVidia.

The 7800GTX has not been around for 6 months. Why do people keep saying it has, when it was released to the market on June 22 (or atleast reviewed by AT). I would hope after 3 months of driver updates, the X1800XT could do a better.

I'm pretty sure he meant he was waiting for R520 benches for six months, not the time difference of the 7800GTX launch.

$150 more for the XT which is defeated by the GTX? No thanks.

Would I be wrong to say that the 7800GTX released at the same price (msrp)? hhhhm lets thing about that, it took basically 2 months to drop the average price around $500, ATI should lower the price of the cards about the same in 1 month if they want to make any money this round.

Yes, lets think about that. 7800GTX had ZERO competition at launch and still has ZERO competition to this day. It launched at MSRP of 599.00. Nothing to compete with it so why not? Then the price quickly dropped in only a few weeks. Now it has been 3 months since 7800GTX debut and already down to about 450 to 480 AND STILL WITHOUT COMPETITION. This is most likely because they were selling so well with no offering from ATI.

And how many 512mb 7800GTX are in production and buyable right now? Thats right, none.
Well, apparently it's not needed on the 7800GT/GTX

The 7800GT seems to only a few fps behind the X1800XT and that sells for under 400.00. With only a slight o/c, it will pass ATI's top offering up anyway.
FOR LESS MONEY.

If ATI plans on selling a single card here, they will have to debut at less than a 7800GT price, forget about GTX.

So when are you planning on your 7800 purchase Soccerman?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
They pitted the ATI up against lot of SLI cards. I dont think this is a fair comparision.

Is that what they did? Really? I could swear I can see a single 7800GT and a single 7800GTX included in those benches. Did you miss them by chance?

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: Muscles
You guys keep waiting! I've been waiting for 4 months or so to build myself a new system and I'm done waiting. Those benchmarks look too authentic to me yet the ATI fan boys are still hoping for a miracle. Sorry ATI my money goes to Nvidia (again). God damn I was so stupid to wait 3 months for ATI and their crap, I could have been gaming happily this whole time. Oh well lesson learned.

You do know that they gave the 7800GTX SLI in D3 16x12 with 4xAA and 8AF 55.3 fps. The 7800GTX SLI from AT review (original review) showed a huge difference in frames. at 16x12 with 4AA 8AF, the SLI had 86.9 fps. WTF where did those extra frames come from? 7800GTX SLI does 82.9fps at 20x15 with 4AAx8AF.

I call shens on this, someone is lying about performance.

Edit:

So when are you planning on your 7800 purchase Soccerman?

When I get out of college in 2 years, or happen to get something for Christmas or my BD, my gaming rig is still going strong with my old 9800pro. Seeing how I am never home to play games during college, except for Christmas, I will probably wait until this year is done. I would expect my dad to upgrade his old P2 350mhz system when Conroe comes out so maybe Ill just take the Conroe instead since all he does with the P2 is complain about all the viruses and spyware on it (my parents use a laptop for most of their email stuff).

And I am trying to be on ATI's side because everyone is flaming about how bad it is. I know its not what we expected, but someone has to be on ATI's side because all of you will just tear apart the new card without seeing any trust-worthy benchies. I think you guys are trying to get all your frustration out from the wait of "Oh the R520 is going to be an awsome card that dominates the 7800GTX" and then finds out it barely performs just as good its competition but for much more. Sorry if you guys think Im flaming, Im not trying to. I just dont think you guys should compain until you see AT do some benchies.

 

[Insomniak]

Not impressive IF TRUE. I still want to see what Anand says about it.

But, if these are real, basically ATi has released a card that is competitive at lower resolutions and falls slightly behind at higher resolutions....months after Nividia released theirs. If their parts aren't widely available at launch, ATi really bonered it this time, to say nothing of the nonexistent (and supposedly limited to 1600x1200 @ 60Hz) CrossFire.

And we haven't even seen info on power consumption and heat yet, but being that it's a dual slotter, I'm betting it's higher than the 7800 series.

I remember reading an interview in Computer Power User about a year ago where Jen Hsun Huang boldly stated that NV40, NV50, and NV60 would prove that despite its failings, Nvidia pointed the industry in the right direction with NV30. If these benches are real, then it looks like he made good on that statement.

Looks like green has decisively returned to the throne for the time being.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Muscles
You guys keep waiting! I've been waiting for 4 months or so to build myself a new system and I'm done waiting. Those benchmarks look too authentic to me yet the ATI fan boys are still hoping for a miracle. Sorry ATI my money goes to Nvidia (again). God damn I was so stupid to wait 3 months for ATI and their crap, I could have been gaming happily this whole time. Oh well lesson learned.

You do know that they gave the 7800GTX SLI in D3 16x12 with 4xAA and 8AF 55.3 fps. The 7800GTX SLI from AT review (original review) showed a huge difference in frames. at 16x12 with 4AA 8AF, the SLI had 86.9 fps. WTF where did those extra frames come from? 7800GTX SLI does 82.9fps at 20x15 with 4AAx8AF.

I call shens on this, someone is lying about performance.

All I see is someone desperately trying to find ways to pick it apart.

 

[DarkKnight69]

wow, people are so cynical. Sure these preliminary results that were not even run by the company themselves show ATI with close to comparable performance. But the r520 was supposed to launch 6 months ago. fab issues caused them not to launch, so though it is behind, it is the same age as the 7800. As well, the release of the next gen will not be far behind as it seems that ATI is almost complete with it's R580. I want to see the benchies, not this crap I could make up at any time and throw on some paper!

 

[Keysplayr]

DK, I agree. Also would like to add that by the time the R580 hits, Nvidia may well have another high end part to offer. Maybe.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
wow, people are so cynical. Sure these preliminary results that were not even run by the company themselves show ATI with close to comparable performance. But the r520 was supposed to launch 6 months ago. fab issues caused them not to launch, so though it is behind, it is the same age as the 7800. As well, the release of the next gen will not be far behind as it seems that ATI is almost complete with it's R580. I want to see the benchies, not this crap I could make up at any time and throw on some paper!

That excuse didn't wash for the 5800 Ultra, it ain't gonna wash here. If the card performs well compared to current competition, when it launches won't matter. If it's only on par or behind, it's pretty much done until next gen.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

oh dear....hopefully driver revisions can pull them up a little, but not storming HL2 right out the box is shocking. but...at least they're pretty much neck n neck for a couple of things. looks like another round of you just cant lose wether u buy ati or nv

this is just one review site ill reserve judgment till more come

be interesting to see what SM3 performance is like

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Muscles
You guys keep waiting! I've been waiting for 4 months or so to build myself a new system and I'm done waiting. Those benchmarks look too authentic to me yet the ATI fan boys are still hoping for a miracle. Sorry ATI my money goes to Nvidia (again). God damn I was so stupid to wait 3 months for ATI and their crap, I could have been gaming happily this whole time. Oh well lesson learned.

You do know that they gave the 7800GTX SLI in D3 16x12 with 4xAA and 8AF 55.3 fps. The 7800GTX SLI from AT review (original review) showed a huge difference in frames. at 16x12 with 4AA 8AF, the SLI had 86.9 fps. WTF where did those extra frames come from? 7800GTX SLI does 82.9fps at 20x15 with 4AAx8AF.

I call shens on this, someone is lying about performance.

All I see is someone desperately trying to find ways to pick it apart.

So um... you cant think of anything after that quote so you say Im getting desperate. There happen to be a lot of different numbers when you look at 1up.com's review and AT 7800GTX review, with both the X850XT PE and the 7800GTX. 1up shows the X850XT PE getting 18.4 FPS with 16x12 and 4AAx8AF. The review from AT gave the X850XT PE 40.5 FPS with the same resolution and AA/AF. What can be said about this gap in performance?

 

[DarkKnight69]

AT if full of poo?? lol, JK...

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
DK, I agree. Also would like to add that by the time the R580 hits, Nvidia may well have another high end part to offer. Maybe.

G80.

If R580 was so great, ATi would have scrapped R520 and waited to get R580 going.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

lol daaaang

 

[Oyeve]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Oyeve
They pitted the ATI up against lot of SLI cards. I dont think this is a fair comparision.

Is that what they did? Really? I could swear I can see a single 7800GT and a single 7800GTX included in those benches. Did you miss them by chance?

I said "A lot of SLI cards" not "all SLI cards". And no, I didnt miss them. :disgust:

 

[Muscles]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Muscles
You guys keep waiting! I've been waiting for 4 months or so to build myself a new system and I'm done waiting. Those benchmarks look too authentic to me yet the ATI fan boys are still hoping for a miracle. Sorry ATI my money goes to Nvidia (again). God damn I was so stupid to wait 3 months for ATI and their crap, I could have been gaming happily this whole time. Oh well lesson learned.

You do know that they gave the 7800GTX SLI in D3 16x12 with 4xAA and 8AF 55.3 fps. The 7800GTX SLI from AT review (original review) showed a huge difference in frames. at 16x12 with 4AA 8AF, the SLI had 86.9 fps. WTF where did those extra frames come from? 7800GTX SLI does 82.9fps at 20x15 with 4AAx8AF.

I call shens on this, someone is lying about performance.

Edit:

So when are you planning on your 7800 purchase Soccerman?

When I get out of college in 2 years, or happen to get something for Christmas or my BD, my gaming rig is still going strong with my old 9800pro. Seeing how I am never home to play games during college, except for Christmas, I will probably wait until this year is done. I would expect my dad to upgrade his old P2 350mhz system when Conroe comes out so maybe Ill just take the Conroe instead since all he does with the P2 is complain about all the viruses and spyware on it (my parents use a laptop for most of their email stuff).

And I am trying to be on ATI's side because everyone is flaming about how bad it is. I know its not what we expected, but someone has to be on ATI's side because all of you will just tear apart the new card without seeing any trust-worthy benchies. I think you guys are trying to get all your frustration out from the wait of "Oh the R520 is going to be an awsome card that dominates the 7800GTX" and then finds out it barely performs just as good its competition but for much more. Sorry if you guys think Im flaming, Im not trying to. I just dont think you guys should compain until you see AT do some benchies.

Yea I imagine you would call Shens because you just don't have a clue. If you read the reviews carefully you'd know that HA used a CUSTOM benchmark demo on Doom 3. They used a completely different benchmark then Anandtech did which is why the results are so different.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Muscles
You guys keep waiting! I've been waiting for 4 months or so to build myself a new system and I'm done waiting. Those benchmarks look too authentic to me yet the ATI fan boys are still hoping for a miracle. Sorry ATI my money goes to Nvidia (again). God damn I was so stupid to wait 3 months for ATI and their crap, I could have been gaming happily this whole time. Oh well lesson learned.

You do know that they gave the 7800GTX SLI in D3 16x12 with 4xAA and 8AF 55.3 fps. The 7800GTX SLI from AT review (original review) showed a huge difference in frames. at 16x12 with 4AA 8AF, the SLI had 86.9 fps. WTF where did those extra frames come from? 7800GTX SLI does 82.9fps at 20x15 with 4AAx8AF.

I call shens on this, someone is lying about performance.

All I see is someone desperately trying to find ways to pick it apart.

So um... you cant think of anything after that quote so you say Im getting desperate. There happen to be a lot of different numbers when you look at 1up.com's review and AT 7800GTX review, with both the X850XT PE and the 7800GTX. 1up shows the X850XT PE getting 18.4 FPS with 16x12 and 4AAx8AF. The review from AT gave the X850XT PE 40.5 FPS with the same resolution and AA/AF. What can be said about this gap in performance?

to settle this i need people to send me a msi nf4 sli, epox nf4 sli or dfi nf4 sli board, 2x7800gtxs, a rc of the new ati cards and a 3700diego and i will get to the bottom of this b.s. with a totally unbiased review. i have no loyalty to any company and have too much integrity - companies can't buy me... :evil:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Muscles
You guys keep waiting! I've been waiting for 4 months or so to build myself a new system and I'm done waiting. Those benchmarks look too authentic to me yet the ATI fan boys are still hoping for a miracle. Sorry ATI my money goes to Nvidia (again). God damn I was so stupid to wait 3 months for ATI and their crap, I could have been gaming happily this whole time. Oh well lesson learned.

You do know that they gave the 7800GTX SLI in D3 16x12 with 4xAA and 8AF 55.3 fps. The 7800GTX SLI from AT review (original review) showed a huge difference in frames. at 16x12 with 4AA 8AF, the SLI had 86.9 fps. WTF where did those extra frames come from? 7800GTX SLI does 82.9fps at 20x15 with 4AAx8AF.

I call shens on this, someone is lying about performance.

All I see is someone desperately trying to find ways to pick it apart.

So um... you cant think of anything after that quote so you say Im getting desperate. There happen to be a lot of different numbers when you look at 1up.com's review and AT 7800GTX review, with both the X850XT PE and the 7800GTX. 1up shows the X850XT PE getting 18.4 FPS with 16x12 and 4AAx8AF. The review from AT gave the X850XT PE 40.5 FPS with the same resolution and AA/AF. What can be said about this gap in performance?

Well, first I'd ask what the heck is 1up.com, and then I'd say I trust AT's reviews over something I have never heard of before.

Maybe I should just flat out ask you instead of the circle jerk everyone plays. Were you planning on a video card upgrade or not. I see you have a 6800U 512 already. (nice but must have been pricey). If so, which would you purchase based on this little tidbit of information from HA? I'm sure other review sites will come up with different numbers, but in the current, which would you purchase if both were available and you were in the market for a new beasty?

If I didn't already have a 7800GTX, I would probably go for the 7800GT and o/c it. But thats just me. If ATI benched much better than this, I would give props to ATI for that. I am certainly dissappointed with these results as I am sure you are. (A lot more than me).

Anyway, quit trying so hard to disprove this little backwoods benchy. It aint worth it. There will be plenty of reviews that show ATI in a better light, then you can arm yourself with those.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Oyeve

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Oyeve
They pitted the ATI up against lot of SLI cards. I dont think this is a fair comparision.

Is that what they did? Really? I could swear I can see a single 7800GT and a single 7800GTX included in those benches. Did you miss them by chance?

I said "A lot of SLI cards" not "all SLI cards". And no, I didnt miss them. :disgust:

So you were concerned with the mere presence of SLI scores in the bench? It was just to give reference. Just use the single card scores.

 

[Pabster]

Makes my $330 7800GT look like a better bargain every day

 

[n7]

Too bad for ATi, but i knew there was no way they could really compete very well with 16pp.

The determining factor is price.

If ATi can drop prices down (or even if competition from retailer, etc., does), then they are not a bad alternative.

I'd take an X1800XT if it was ~ $50 cheaper than the 7800GTX...'course, that's not likely to happen.

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Anyway, quit trying so hard to disprove this little backwoods benchy. It aint worth it. There will be plenty of reviews that show ATI in a better light, then you can arm yourself with those.

Ya Im done trying to explain my thinking here. But Its not like I get to use the rig im my sig (haha rhyme) because Im in college atm and the rig is a 4 hour drive away. And it costs roughly $50 every time I use it b/c of the dry ice. Its more for show, and Im doing a double major in business and ME. For my senior project in one of my business classes, I opted to create my own business. And seeing as how I know my way around a computer, I will open a computer shop up during Christmas break and the summer which will sell custom computers and fix/repair/add on parts. I will demostrate what I can do of what a lot of money and hard work can do with the system in my sig. Plus it looks cool.

And as I said before, I dont need a new card because my old 9800pro works just fine for my habits.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Underwhelming at best! As was expected!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Soccerman06

Originally posted by: Muscles
You guys keep waiting! I've been waiting for 4 months or so to build myself a new system and I'm done waiting. Those benchmarks look too authentic to me yet the ATI fan boys are still hoping for a miracle. Sorry ATI my money goes to Nvidia (again). God damn I was so stupid to wait 3 months for ATI and their crap, I could have been gaming happily this whole time. Oh well lesson learned.

You do know that they gave the 7800GTX SLI in D3 16x12 with 4xAA and 8AF 55.3 fps. The 7800GTX SLI from AT review (original review) showed a huge difference in frames. at 16x12 with 4AA 8AF, the SLI had 86.9 fps. WTF where did those extra frames come from? 7800GTX SLI does 82.9fps at 20x15 with 4AAx8AF.

I call shens on this, someone is lying about performance.

All I see is someone desperately trying to find ways to pick it apart.

So um... you cant think of anything after that quote so you say Im getting desperate. There happen to be a lot of different numbers when you look at 1up.com's review and AT 7800GTX review, with both the X850XT PE and the 7800GTX. 1up shows the X850XT PE getting 18.4 FPS with 16x12 and 4AAx8AF. The review from AT gave the X850XT PE 40.5 FPS with the same resolution and AA/AF. What can be said about this gap in performance?

different benches. HA had sent their own scripts for benchmarking, HOCP make alot of their own benches too, anand had their own HL2 benches made.

some benches will just tax more than others

 

[JackBurton]

I pretty much expected this much...which is not good.