ATI Radeon 4890 in April?

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: Idontcare
I thought AMD reported their GPU division wasn't making money ?

Actually ATi is the only part of AMD that is profitable at the moment.

I guess I ended up asking a rhetorical question in hindsight, went and dug up the Q4/08 numbers from conf call transcript:

Originally stated by: Bob Rivet - Chief Operations and Administrative Officer and CFO

In the graphics segment, revenue for the quarter was $270 million, down 30% sequentially. ASPs were up as a result of our stronger product line, the demand in the segment was down significantly.

Operating loss for the graphics segment was $10 million.

http://seekingalpha.com/articl...call-transcript?page=2

Not trying to be snarky by posting these numbers, just posting the actual numbers since I happened to come across them. I don't think anyone would hold a $10m loss against Ati when saying they lost or made money, that's break-even within rounding error to me.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Not trying to be snarky by posting these numbers, just posting the actual numbers since I happened to come across them. I don't think anyone would hold a $10m loss against Ati when saying they lost or made money, that's break-even within rounding error to me.

I didn't know what the Q4 numbers were but for Q3 I'm fairly certain they were profitable.

 

[techboie]

Too expensive, a 4850X2 @ 250$ is cheaper and performs better.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Actually ATi is the only part of AMD that is profitable at the moment.

Sadly that is not true

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339434,00.asp

They had a loss of $10 million last quarter plus an additional $684 million dollar "impairment" charge.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Actually ATi is the only part of AMD that is profitable at the moment.

Sadly that is not true

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339434,00.asp

They had a loss of $10 million last quarter plus an additional $684 million dollar "impairment" charge.

You fail to mention that they were profitable in the prior quarter, and have been for the last year.

Graphics lost just $10 million on revenue of $270 million, although the unit was profitable in both the prior quarter and a year ago, when it earned $385 million and $295 million, respectively. The unit gained market share, Meyer said.

AMD was already struggling in the onslaught of Intel's excellent products, the economic meltdown just aggravated the situation. However, with the Radeon 4xx0 cards, the 7x0xx chipsets, and now that the Phenom II has addressed the flaws in the original Phenom, AMD has a pretty strong product line across the board. However, this means nothing if people are not confident enough to buy. A lot of consumers aren't spending any money right now because they aren't certain if they'll have a job tomorrow.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

You fail to mention that they were profitable in the prior quarter, and have been for the last year.

Actually they said a year ago, not for the last year. They have had mostly losing quarters since the AMD purchase (not to mention billions in impairment charges). Especially following the R600 launch.

 

[Krynj]

If that price is true, that'll definitely drop prices on the current line of 4870s. I wonder how much a 4870x2 Crossfire setup would cost.

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Actually ATi is the only part of AMD that is profitable at the moment.

Sadly that is not true

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339434,00.asp

They had a loss of $10 million last quarter plus an additional $684 million dollar "impairment" charge.

typical fasion, got anything positive to say? oh wait i know you don't

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Originally posted by: tommo123
wont those apply to the current cards as well?

Probably, unless ATi is doing something shady.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: tommo123
wont those apply to the current cards as well?

Probably, unless ATi is doing something shady.

My guess is that a 4890 that performs 20%+ better then the current 4870 will be doing with more then drivers, I'm sure there will be more 'stuff' in the core. That or the clock speeds mentioned are wrong. Or this whole story might be false.

Not sure if you guys saw this or not:

Update: We have just been informed by CJ that there will be 2 versions of the Radeon HD4890 - a standard edition and a OC edition. The standard edition will launch in mid April, with the OC Edition following shortly after by end of April.

The Radeon HD 4890 OC Edition has 1GB of GDDR5 memory onboard and is expected to perform 25-30% faster than HD 4870. It is expected to be priced at USD299 at launch.

 

[edplayer]

who is CJ?

 

[nosfe]

no way this hits +30% with only faster clock speeds which means its either a new core, one with more shaders or its the same core with more shaders enabled. I'd prefer the former as the latter just screams limited edition

 

[Cookie Monster]

If its the former, then we probably wont see DX11 parts from AMD til maybe Q4. I guess that most of the delay/change in the roadmaps from both camps can be blamed on the recession though.

According to CJ, this will be launched with the 40nm RV740. The GDDR5 version ($119) takes on 9800GT, effectively replaces HD4830 and GDDR3 version ($99) replaces HD4670 and takes on 9600GT.

 

[direfox]

Originally posted by: MBrown
Crap. I just ordered a GTX 260 yesterday!!!

I did the same thing a few days ago, it hasn't arrived yet. I started getting buyers remorse but then I remembered EVGA has the 90 day step-up thing, so I hope these will drive down the price of the GTX 285/295's to the point I can upgrade to them.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: MBrown
Crap. I just ordered a GTX 260 yesterday!!!

lol, pwnt

 

[shangshang]

at $300, I wouldn't say it's necessarily a fanstastic buy. I just got a 4870 1GB for $185 AR. By April, I would imagine a 4870 1GB can be had for $160 AR. Don't think I wanna pay almost 2x the price for a 25% increase in performance. I think it's more bang for the bux if I just get another 4870 1GB and Xfire them! More importantly, what new games out there justify me spending more money?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: shangshang
at $300, I wouldn't say it's necessarily a fanstastic buy. I just got a 4870 1GB for $185 AR. By April, I would imagine a 4870 1GB can be had for $160 AR. Don't think I wanna pay almost 2x the price for a 25% increase in performance. I think it's more bang for the bux if I just get another 4870 1GB and Xfire them! More importantly, what new games out there justify me spending more money?

Yea, but the 4870 was $299 at launch, prices drop quickly. The thing is that there are people willing to spend the money a GTX285 costs... damn near 2x the price for not anywhere near 2x the performance. The 4890 at $299 (assuming the story is true in regards to performance and price of course) would be a kick square in Nvidia's coin purse.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
The thing is that there are people willing to spend the money a GTX285 costs... damn near 2x the price for not anywhere near 2x the performance. The 4890 at $299 (assuming the story is true in regards to performance and price of course) would be a kick square in Nvidia's coin purse.

You can get a 285 for around $340. No waiting for some rumored card, which probably won't even perform as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130446


The 4890 will probably be a good match against a 260+ which you can buy for under $199.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: direfox

Originally posted by: MBrown
Crap. I just ordered a GTX 260 yesterday!!!

I did the same thing a few days ago, it hasn't arrived yet. I started getting buyers remorse but then I remembered EVGA has the 90 day step-up thing, so I hope these will drive down the price of the GTX 285/295's to the point I can upgrade to them.

Hate to break it to you but the MSRP on cards rarely change... you'll be stuck upgrading to EVGA/nvidias MSRP :

I'm curious to see what comes out by ATi in April

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
The thing is that there are people willing to spend the money a GTX285 costs... damn near 2x the price for not anywhere near 2x the performance. The 4890 at $299 (assuming the story is true in regards to performance and price of course) would be a kick square in Nvidia's coin purse.

You can get a 285 for around $340. No waiting for some rumored card, which probably won't even perform as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130446


The 4890 will probably be a good match against a 260+ which you can buy for under $199.

Hahah... or you can buy a 4870 for under $199AR which already is a good match for the 260+.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: allies


Hahah... or you can buy a 4870 for under $199AR which already is a good match for the 260+.

So why wait for a $300+ card which probably won't offer much more?

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: allies


Hahah... or you can buy a 4870 for under $199AR which already is a good match for the 260+.

So why wait for a $300+ card which probably won't offer much more?

I don't think they will be $300+. $249 sounds right (I think they will only offer 1GB versions some clocked even higher). Will get full retail for the first 3~4 weeks then its downhill from there At least one $200~220 sale AR free shipping within the first month/5 weeks.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: allies


Hahah... or you can buy a 4870 for under $199AR which already is a good match for the 260+.

So why wait for a $300+ card which probably won't offer much more?

Because we don't know what performance will be offered. Also, prices will drop (on current cards) when released, so that's another bonus.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

If it was only a clockspeed-bump it wouldn't be called RV790; the article would be titled 'ATI hits higher clocks with RV770' or something like that.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
The thing is that there are people willing to spend the money a GTX285 costs... damn near 2x the price for not anywhere near 2x the performance. The 4890 at $299 (assuming the story is true in regards to performance and price of course) would be a kick square in Nvidia's coin purse.

You can get a 285 for around $340. No waiting for some rumored card, which probably won't even perform as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130446


The 4890 will probably be a good match against a 260+ which you can buy for under $199.

Go fanboy go! As I said, the GTX285 costs 'damn near' 2x the price of the 4870. 512MB cards can be found for ~165. 1GB can be found for under $200. To me that is, 'damn near' half the price. But we're really just talking about the 1GB model... a GTX285 costs 70% more for far less then 70% more performance. Nvidia has the top single GPU card, so naturally they're going to charge a premium for it. Now if AMD releases a 850MHz chip with more shaders that is 20%+ faster then the current 48701GB, then they'll be right there with the GTX285 and for less money. But yet in your mind it may be a good competitor for the GTX260 216... amazing.