The 8500 AIW DV (with 64MB of ram) goes for about $170 on pricewatch, but the 128MB version is about $267 for a retail version. If you just want the video in/out and PVR functions, you should just go with the 7500 AIW or even older models for a lot cheaper. The 8500 DV is faster for games, plus it has firewire ports, and the 8500 w/128MB loses the Firewire ports but is better still for games.