BenSkywalker
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- Oct 9, 1999
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Oldfart-
Thanks for sending me those files, I'm going over them now and have to ask if you are running the latest OpenGL.dll file? Some of your values that are set to 1 or 0 have been switched to True or False with the latest patch(which may explain why my .ini is crashing on you). Lokis has the latest patch up if you want to give that a try with my .ini, I will be going through yours line by line and firing up UT to compare unless I can get some more Log and ini files from other Radeon owners. I'll be sending you some email as soon as I can figure anything out(the latest dll file is the only thing I can see without testing).
Fodd3r
"ben the radeon is dx8 compliant. nvidia isn't the one who is soley deciding what goes in. last i checked ms doesn't give up control to anyone. the dx8 compliant specs were released long ago. plus why would ms not put in the radeon features? it makes no sense, they do have a good working relationship."
MS does have complete control of DX8, and they also are putting over one billion dollars into the X-Box, it will match with the NV20's feature set. The DX8 specs have not been released, only certain portions have been stated(and then changed). Will DX8 support the Radeon's features? Absolutely, but DX8 is significantly more advanced then what the Radeon offers(even going by the limited info they have already released). I'm not trying to flame on this, the RadeonII will be the first offering from ATi that may be fully DX8 compliant.
Extension support in DX8 is still an iffy subject, from everything that I have heard, and that is rumors, it is very limited in scope and was a relatively late development for MS. DX9 is looking like it will be the MS API with extension flexibility to match OpenGL.
The Radeon is the closest board to being DX8 compliant, I'm not arguing that. The image quality argument is completely lost to me, which games are supposed to look better? There are tests that measure 3D image quality under OpenGL at least and under those the Radeon does extremely poorly when compared to the nV boards, being roughly equal to that of the V5 or G400 and not close to the class the nVidia's offerings are in. These are pro OpenGL class tests, during actual gameplay I haven't seen a difference with the exception of Quake3 when texture compression is on, though I would be interested in hearing of any games as I haven't had extensive hands on time with the Radeon. Honestly, which games are supposed to look better on a Radeon?
Thanks for sending me those files, I'm going over them now and have to ask if you are running the latest OpenGL.dll file? Some of your values that are set to 1 or 0 have been switched to True or False with the latest patch(which may explain why my .ini is crashing on you). Lokis has the latest patch up if you want to give that a try with my .ini, I will be going through yours line by line and firing up UT to compare unless I can get some more Log and ini files from other Radeon owners. I'll be sending you some email as soon as I can figure anything out(the latest dll file is the only thing I can see without testing).
Fodd3r
"ben the radeon is dx8 compliant. nvidia isn't the one who is soley deciding what goes in. last i checked ms doesn't give up control to anyone. the dx8 compliant specs were released long ago. plus why would ms not put in the radeon features? it makes no sense, they do have a good working relationship."
MS does have complete control of DX8, and they also are putting over one billion dollars into the X-Box, it will match with the NV20's feature set. The DX8 specs have not been released, only certain portions have been stated(and then changed). Will DX8 support the Radeon's features? Absolutely, but DX8 is significantly more advanced then what the Radeon offers(even going by the limited info they have already released). I'm not trying to flame on this, the RadeonII will be the first offering from ATi that may be fully DX8 compliant.
Extension support in DX8 is still an iffy subject, from everything that I have heard, and that is rumors, it is very limited in scope and was a relatively late development for MS. DX9 is looking like it will be the MS API with extension flexibility to match OpenGL.
The Radeon is the closest board to being DX8 compliant, I'm not arguing that. The image quality argument is completely lost to me, which games are supposed to look better? There are tests that measure 3D image quality under OpenGL at least and under those the Radeon does extremely poorly when compared to the nV boards, being roughly equal to that of the V5 or G400 and not close to the class the nVidia's offerings are in. These are pro OpenGL class tests, during actual gameplay I haven't seen a difference with the exception of Quake3 when texture compression is on, though I would be interested in hearing of any games as I haven't had extensive hands on time with the Radeon. Honestly, which games are supposed to look better on a Radeon?