ATI Releases More "R600" Details

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: nZone
Why is Vista stopping you? If you are willing to buy a new video card with new driver; isn't your statement irrelevant?

No Vista until SP1...and it would be nice if my SB X-Fi soundcard works perfectly.

 

[apoppin]

fortunately r600 should run on XP also

are there any DX10 games yet that require Vista?
one?

and does anyone know - for sure - when the NDA expires ?

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: apoppin
fortunately r600 should run on XP also

are there any DX10 games yet that require Vista?
one?

and does anyone know - for sure - when the NDA expires ?

Crysis will require Vista/DX10 for all its eye candy.

 

[the Chase]

More info on these cards at Fudzilla.com. Various stories on specs and performance with new driver....

 

[apoppin]

speaking of the Devil



theInq is having a field day with the 65nm 'story'

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38837

We never wrote that 80nm GPU would be scrapped, but we did state that it would be quickly surplanted by a 65nm part.

Now it seems our old chum Fudzilla has been converted to our point of view and we can now finally go out and say what 65nm R600 is and what will happen with this chip.

In short, AMD's CPU manufacturing strategy will be introduced to the world of GPUs. This should result in more affordable and better performing parts. Even though AMD is not using its own manufacturing facilities or facilities that use AMD's own procedure called APM, some elements of it will be used to get flexible manufacturing with GPUs as well.

First, R600 is going to be more affordable than any GPU part after Radeon 9700Pro and 9800Pro. AMD wants to undercut current high-end price bracket by $100-150, so expect an 8800GTX performing part for the price of 8800GTS. This is not all.

The company is getting the 65nm part on line as soon as possible, as this will enable savings in power well within the 60-100 Watt range, depending on what part are we talking about.

As we already wrote months ago, AMD developed four completely different PCBs and the company wants to cover every possible demand from its partners. We have talked with mid- and high-ranked executives and they told us that AMD plans to bring its customer centric mantra to every aspect of business.

This also means redefining the way graphics and chipset wars are fought. And we have to say that we cannot wait to see the slaughter-fest between AMD, Intel, and Nvidia in 2009. Somehow, we feel that AMD is the best-positioned company, especially if the flexibility that we were told about actually ends up implemented across the board.

If 65nm high-end GPUs end up on boards for $300, $350, to $400 a new era will begin indeed. Some of our AMD sources claim that most price brackets are achievable, the only real limit is yield. If AMD gets great yields from the 65nm R650, company will ship not hundreds of thousands of high-end chips, but rather millions and millions of these chips, bringing prices down and redefining its GPU sales profile.

interesting
of course this has been poste .. but couple it with what we know now

AMD might have actually had a *strategy* with their "family planning"

IF that is the fanboy's wet dream

THEN amd's Marketing needs to get it's act together

alway a great product ... and poor advertising ... and worse PR

 

[nZone]

SB X-FI works good for me with Vista.

 

[aka1nas]

YAY!!! $399 was my limit for my next card upgrade.

By the time my upgrade budget gets high enough to buy the card, I might even be able to find one at MSRP.

 

[nyker96]

Did they say 320? stream processors? Is this like a super computer? That's sounds pretty crazy stuff. The spec is making the cards sound very temping indeed. Just hope they don't push them back again. Can't wait. BTW any new on weather some of these parts are 65nm? or confirmation that ALL are just 80nm parts.

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: newb54

Originally posted by: Ibiza
Doubt whether current 8800GTX owners should trade their card in for R600, to be honest.

And wheres the damn games to play with your new hardware anyway?? Consoles are the future IMHO. Piracy has all but killed PC gaming.

Are you on drugs?

Are you? I have to agree with him. after selling my xbox 360 and buying a 8800GTS for some of the newer games im very very disappointed. Thinking of picking up another 360.

Meh, PC gaming won't die. There are the people (like me) that prefer to be able to tinker around with stuff than to have a very uncustomizable experience that console games offer. Also, unless someone comes out with a respectable device that allows you to use a mouse and keyboard on a console, I will never buy another console. I can't stand analog sticks; I can't aim with them.

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: n7
Based on what i've read from those under NDA, i don't think it's gonna be all that much better than the 8800s, which is why there is talk of lower prices.

I suppose time will tell though, but i'll reserve my excitement for when these damn cards actually can be bought, which seems like it's taking ages...

If there's lower prices for about the same performance, I'll buy it rather than an 8800. It'd be a smart move on ATi's part.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: newb54

Originally posted by: Ibiza
Doubt whether current 8800GTX owners should trade their card in for R600, to be honest.

And wheres the damn games to play with your new hardware anyway?? Consoles are the future IMHO. Piracy has all but killed PC gaming.

Are you on drugs?

Are you? I have to agree with him. after selling my xbox 360 and buying a 8800GTS for some of the newer games im very very disappointed. Thinking of picking up another 360.

Meh, PC gaming won't die. There are the people (like me) that prefer to be able to tinker around with stuff than to have a very uncustomizable experience that console games offer. Also, unless someone comes out with a respectable device that allows you to use a mouse and keyboard on a console, I will never buy another console. I can't stand analog sticks; I can't aim with them.

i looks like the *reverse* may be true

cheap HW and multicore will *kill* console gaming
:Q

John Romero says only the Wii will survive/XBox360 and PS3 are *Doomed*

i am *now* inclined to believe it

 

[tvdang7]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
I got a buyer lined up for my 2x 8800GTX. Some noob at gamespot forum.

2x 8800GTX for $700.

Now I just buy R600 and never again Crossfire or SLI. Had bad experience with both of them.

ummmm that noob is me..........



no j/k lol

but 700 for both of those cards is a great deal.

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: newb54

Originally posted by: Ibiza
Doubt whether current 8800GTX owners should trade their card in for R600, to be honest.

And wheres the damn games to play with your new hardware anyway?? Consoles are the future IMHO. Piracy has all but killed PC gaming.

Are you on drugs?

Are you? I have to agree with him. after selling my xbox 360 and buying a 8800GTS for some of the newer games im very very disappointed. Thinking of picking up another 360.

Meh, PC gaming won't die. There are the people (like me) that prefer to be able to tinker around with stuff than to have a very uncustomizable experience that console games offer. Also, unless someone comes out with a respectable device that allows you to use a mouse and keyboard on a console, I will never buy another console. I can't stand analog sticks; I can't aim with them.

i looks like the *reverse* may be true

cheap HW and multicore will *kill* console gaming
:Q

John Romero says only the Wii will survive/XBox360 and PS3 are *Doomed*

i am *now* inclined to believe it

Yeah, but I think neither type of home gaming will die. Consoles have their market, and so do PCs. Unless people make PCs easier to access (which yes, cheap HW and mulitcore systems may do), console sales will most likely continue to rise, but PCs will always have their niche in the market; there's no way around that. Consoles are very limited experiences.

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: tvdang7

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
I got a buyer lined up for my 2x 8800GTX. Some noob at gamespot forum.

2x 8800GTX for $700.

Now I just buy R600 and never again Crossfire or SLI. Had bad experience with both of them.

ummmm that noob is me..........



no j/k lol

but 700 for both of those cards is a great deal.

LESSON: Don't call potential buyers on one forum noobs on another forum.

 

[JPB]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=526&Itemid=34

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Partitioned in 4 blocks.

Everyone expects 128 Unified Shaders but R600 doesn?t have more than 64. It seems to be enough to make Nvidia G80 GTX run for its money. Nvidia has 128 unified Shaders but we are puzzled where does the difference comes from.


The Shaders are divided in four blocks and each has 16 units. We are working to get the number or TMU's and ROPs and GFLOPs. Well, we dont care as long as it runs faster. Stay tuned.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: newb54

Originally posted by: Ibiza
Doubt whether current 8800GTX owners should trade their card in for R600, to be honest.

And wheres the damn games to play with your new hardware anyway?? Consoles are the future IMHO. Piracy has all but killed PC gaming.

Are you on drugs?

Are you? I have to agree with him. after selling my xbox 360 and buying a 8800GTS for some of the newer games im very very disappointed. Thinking of picking up another 360.

Meh, PC gaming won't die. There are the people (like me) that prefer to be able to tinker around with stuff than to have a very uncustomizable experience that console games offer. Also, unless someone comes out with a respectable device that allows you to use a mouse and keyboard on a console, I will never buy another console. I can't stand analog sticks; I can't aim with them.

i looks like the *reverse* may be true

cheap HW and multicore will *kill* console gaming
:Q

John Romero says only the Wii will survive/XBox360 and PS3 are *Doomed*

i am *now* inclined to believe it

pfft.. John Romero...

Thanks a lot for that hunk of crap "Daikatana".

As long as AMD/Nvidia make me pay $500 every six months, my Xbox360 will have a place at my side.

 

[JPB]

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=526&Itemid=34

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The new Radeon HD 2900 XT driver saves the day. Only with the new driver the card is really faster than the six month old Geforce 8800 GTX.


We only know a few examples, such as Need for Speed Carbon, where the R600XT scores 10 to 17 percent better than Geforce 8800 GTX. The previous 8.35 was not that good and the R600XT was close to G80 GTX but not better. With new 8.361 which is supposed to be the launch driver the scores are even better on ATI hardware.


Looks like ATI still has an ace of spade in its sleeve.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Fudzilla is at it again, and how can he say the card has 64 shaders, even multiplied by 4 that gives us 256, since we know the card has 320 stream processors thats a bullshit number...

 

[apoppin]

Romero's whole point is that multicore and - now AMD's plans - will make PC gaming *cheap*

and that 360 is gonna look pretty antiquated - only next year when the full DX10 games arrive

the future of the high-end console is very much in doubt IF these "cheap PC HW" predictions prove to be true
who will want to develop xbox720 and PS4 if the PC begins to pull away from the high-end consoles ... now?

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Romero's whole point is that multicore and - now AMD's plans - will make PC gaming *cheap*

and that 360 is gonna look pretty antiquated - only next year when the full DX10 games arrive

the future of the high-end console is very much in doubt IF these "cheap PC HW" predictions prove to be true
who will want to develop xbox720 and PS4 if the PC begins to pull away from the high-end consoles ... now?

That's the evolution of consoles vs. PCs, that's how it always has been.

The thing that kills PC gaming for me is that there are 5-10 quality releases on xbox360 in between PC game releases. Which is complete BS for how much I spend on my computer.

I have a dual-core CPU with an X1900XTX for what? To surf the web at ninety gajillion FPS?

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin
Romero's whole point is that multicore and - now AMD's plans - will make PC gaming *cheap*

and that 360 is gonna look pretty antiquated - only next year when the full DX10 games arrive

the future of the high-end console is very much in doubt IF these "cheap PC HW" predictions prove to be true
who will want to develop xbox720 and PS4 if the PC begins to pull away from the high-end consoles ... now?

That's the evolution of consoles vs. PCs, that's how it always has been.

The thing that kills PC gaming for me is that there are 5-10 quality releases on xbox360 in between PC game releases. Which is complete BS for how much I spend on my computer.

I have a dual-core CPU with an X1900XTX for what? To surf the web at ninety gajillion FPS?

I think that DX10 is going to offer an easier, less work-intensive development environment and developers will be able to quickly put out a graphics and physics engine and then have more time to work on the gameplay, storyline, etc. More quality releases will be in line, I presume.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth

Originally posted by: newb54

Originally posted by: Ibiza
Doubt whether current 8800GTX owners should trade their card in for R600, to be honest.

And wheres the damn games to play with your new hardware anyway?? Consoles are the future IMHO. Piracy has all but killed PC gaming.

Are you on drugs?

Are you? I have to agree with him. after selling my xbox 360 and buying a 8800GTS for some of the newer games im very very disappointed. Thinking of picking up another 360.

Meh, PC gaming won't die. There are the people (like me) that prefer to be able to tinker around with stuff than to have a very uncustomizable experience that console games offer. Also, unless someone comes out with a respectable device that allows you to use a mouse and keyboard on a console, I will never buy another console. I can't stand analog sticks; I can't aim with them.

Never said it would.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin
Romero's whole point is that multicore and - now AMD's plans - will make PC gaming *cheap*

and that 360 is gonna look pretty antiquated - only next year when the full DX10 games arrive

the future of the high-end console is very much in doubt IF these "cheap PC HW" predictions prove to be true
who will want to develop xbox720 and PS4 if the PC begins to pull away from the high-end consoles ... now?

That's the evolution of consoles vs. PCs, that's how it always has been.

The thing that kills PC gaming for me is that there are 5-10 quality releases on xbox360 in between PC game releases. Which is complete BS for how much I spend on my computer.

I have a dual-core CPU with an X1900XTX for what? To surf the web at ninety gajillion FPS?

Really, I am just curious as to what you think these 5-10 games are?

 

[apoppin]

most people who are complaining are *pure FPSers*

those of us PCers who love the hybreds, RPGs, and RTses aren't complaining

- at all ..

05, 06 and 07 have been very good years

i

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: apoppin
Romero's whole point is that multicore and - now AMD's plans - will make PC gaming *cheap*

and that 360 is gonna look pretty antiquated - only next year when the full DX10 games arrive

the future of the high-end console is very much in doubt IF these "cheap PC HW" predictions prove to be true
who will want to develop xbox720 and PS4 if the PC begins to pull away from the high-end consoles ... now?

That's the evolution of consoles vs. PCs, that's how it always has been.

The thing that kills PC gaming for me is that there are 5-10 quality releases on xbox360 in between PC game releases. Which is complete BS for how much I spend on my computer.

I have a dual-core CPU with an X1900XTX for what? To surf the web at ninety gajillion FPS?

Really, I am just curious as to what you think these 5-10 games are?

Ok, you caught me on my exaggeration. 2-3 quality xbox releases between quality PC releases.