ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Intelia
Rollo I have a question for you or I should say David does do you do gaming with your over the top system?

If so do you game online?

If so what games do you play online .

David wants to know because he would like to challenge you to play. Put up or shout up.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for your over the top system. After all his system is a 3 year old INTEL P4C with an obsolite X800XT PE.

Now you are just being stupid. If you honestly think the performance of your computer has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with skill, you are an idiot.

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Intelia
Rollo I have a question for you or I should say David does do you do gaming with your over the top system?

If so do you game online?

If so what games do you play online .

David wants to know because he would like to challenge you to play. Put up or shout up.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for your over the top system. After all his system is a 3 year old INTEL P4C with an obsolite X800XT PE.

Now you are just being stupid. If you honestly think the performance of your computer has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with skill, you are an idiot.

LOL, and you expected more?

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Rollo
Wow.

Crossfire one year later than SLI.

High end, unknown spec "launch" four months after 7800GTX- and we don't know if cards will even be available at launch.

Looks like the rumors of another tape-out may well be true.

People have been posting all year, "It's taped out! Wait a month or two!" and now at the end of the year, ATI finally tells us to wait two months. Will be interesting to see if they can deliver by November.

Err, it'll be 3 months by the time they start releasing new cards, and under 3 months by the time they finish (3 months from 7800GTX is mid/late September, then 3 months after the 7800GT is early NOVERMBER) to release their entire line of new cards, not just the 2 top tier ones
From the affordable top end (7800GT to R520 XL) it will be 4~6 weeks only, which isn't a huge amount, and I would guess that a lot of people might be thinking more about that kind of price than the rediculous 7800GTX/R520XT cards (although you have sooo much money you don't seem to care about the rest of us who don't have quite so much we want to waste on PC's, or that fact that many people are limited to 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 resolutions where the difference between a 7800GT and 7800GTX isn't so huge so we don't need the extra power, but appreciate the extra features such as transparency AA etc), and 7800GT now and SLI (which you seem so fond of) to get 2 7800GT's down the line is a reasonable option compared to a 7800GTX or even two of them.

I'm not sure I understand your reply.
I said it would be:

High end, unknown spec "launch" four months after 7800GTX- and we don't know if cards will even be available at launch.

there is nothing inaccurate about that.

1. We don't know the specs of the R520 from that article, so they are "unknown" like I said
2. We don't know that cards will be available at launch, so that is true as well
3. It says "Early October" for the "launch". I had two 7800GTXs in my hands 6/21/05. Four months from that is 10/21/05. If "launch" means you can buy a card "early October" is only a week or two less than four months. I don't call a week a difference worth your whole post, so what is it you find inaccurate about mine?


Even AT editor alludes to "launch" and "ship" being two different things here

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
rise4310: Youre correct. However, shipping and launching are definitely not the same (particularly for graphics companies). Keep in mind too the dates are just slightly fudged too - usually they launch 3 or 4 cards at a time; you'll have to read in between the lines there.

Kristopher

So my "four months" could be more like five. Or six- who knows? This card has taped out more times than any I can remember.

Question becomes "How long do I wait on the chance these will be good products?"

Its taped out 3 times . It will know doubt be a 16 pipe card maybe 24. Its core speed will be 700+ its memory speed will probably be Gddr3 1600 maybe Gddr 1800 and way out there in left field Rambus XDR hence the newer hard to make ready memory controller that works with Gddr3 or XDR memory.

The r500 for microsoft is totally new design with programmable pipes and unified. How much of this went into the R520 is unknown . But after the R580 which by the way is ment to compete with the G70 not the G80. Comes the R600 were pipes will mean absolutly nothing as it will be fully programmable. As stated before we really don't care about the R520 as we never buy the first generation of anything for ourselves.(except 9700pro)
Ati is struggling with the R520 as is plain to see. But their going to be ahead of nvidia once the dust settles . Last year 1 year 4 months. Everyone was making the same noise and with every generation its the same old same old. Once the G80 and the R600 arrive is anyone really going to care anymore . I mean these cards are going to be killers. Will SLI or crossfire even matter at all. I doubt it . Until we have Cell CPU'S its just won't make any differance. Nvidia still has to make a 90 n Gpu . Ati is teething on that right now. Unless AMD and Intel have some sort of secret CPU were going to be CPU bottle nicked for a while. You say multi threading . BS lets see it happen . Now ppu has great possiabilities.

So in short both the R520>R580 G70 are going to be the last of a breed. After that we need totally differant kinds of systems.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Intelia
Rollo I have a question for you or I should say David does do you do gaming with your over the top system?

If so do you game online?

If so what games do you play online .

David wants to know because he would like to challenge you to play. Put up or shout up.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for your over the top system. After all his system is a 3 year old INTEL P4C with an obsolite X800XT PE.

Now you are just being stupid. If you honestly think the performance of your computer has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with skill, you are an idiot.

Thats a cop out if I ever heard one. If his Pc is so much faster and res is so much better he should have a hugh advantage.

 

[ArchAngel777]

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Rollo I have a question for you or I should say David does do you do gaming with your over the top system?

If so do you game online?

If so what games do you play online .

David wants to know because he would like to challenge you to play. Put up or shout up.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for your over the top system. After all his system is a 3 year old INTEL P4C with an obsolite X800XT PE.
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Now you are just being stupid. If you honestly think the performance of your computer has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with skill, you are an idiot.
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Thats a cop out if I ever heard one. If his Pc is so much faster and res is so much better he should have a hugh advantage.

Hmmm, difficult. Because performance can indeed give two of the same skilled players and edge, it many cases it is rubbish. As long as you are able to sustain 60 FPS, @ 1024X768, it should be pretty even.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Rollo I have a question for you or I should say David does do you do gaming with your over the top system?

If so do you game online?

If so what games do you play online .

David wants to know because he would like to challenge you to play. Put up or shout up.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for your over the top system. After all his system is a 3 year old INTEL P4C with an obsolite X800XT PE.
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Now you are just being stupid. If you honestly think the performance of your computer has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with skill, you are an idiot.
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Thats a cop out if I ever heard one. If his Pc is so much faster and res is so much better he should have a hugh advantage.

Hmmm, difficult. Because performance can indeed give two of the same skilled players and edge, it many cases it is rubbish. As long as you are able to sustain 60 FPS, @ 1024X768, it should be pretty even.

It wont matter in this case because rollo doesnt play video games, he just buys the cards so he can brag about it.

 

[nemesismk2]

It's good to see some info coming out about what ATI might release in the future, it's a shame it's a paper launch though because I have not seen any of them available for purchase.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
It's good to see some info coming out about what ATI might release in the future, it's a shame it's a paper launch though because I have not seen any of them available for purchase.

Dude, this is not a launch, this is saying when they will launch, probably.
A paper launch is when products are sent to reviews, which hasn't been done yet.

 

[Munky]

It's not even a paper launch because nobody has even reviewed them yet - they're all scheduled to be released in September or October.

 

[coldpower27]

R580 will likely try to compete with G71, rather then regular plain old G70. and with regards to technology, there will always be early adopters of the next generation tech.

People bought the Geforce 3 when it was new as it introduced Pixel Shader Model 1.1

People bought the Radeon 9700 Pro when it intorduced Shader Model 2.0

People also bought the refine cards, ausch as Geforce 4 TI, and the Geforce 6 Series as people did buy the Radeon X700/X800.

Ha 700MHZ+ Core and GDDR3 1.6GHZ I feel is a bit far fetched. All the cards on R5xx architecture are based on 90nm low-k dielectrics, If the nnumbers for RV530 are correct, don't expect a part that is clocked higher that is based on the same process, and is more complex. That just seems fairly ridiculous to me.

Each generation does matter as you have to build momentum of doing well over a long period of time and not just one time wonder R3xx technology and milking it for al lit's worth.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Yet another forum slowly being ruined by Intelia. I seriously doubt anyone is worried about getting beaten online by someone who still cannot differentiate between the words 'know' and 'no.' Couldn't you pick a different target to troll, like maybe Peripherals?

 

[Spoonbender]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Ha 700MHZ+ Core and GDDR3 1.6GHZ I feel is a bit far fetched. All the cards on R5xx architecture are based on 90nm low-k dielectrics, If the nnumbers for RV530 are correct, don't expect a part that is clocked higher that is based on the same process, and is more complex. That just seems fairly ridiculous to me.

Well, CPU's can reach 3 GHz at 90nm.
There's no built-in speed limit for different processes. (Well, there is, but it's ridiculously high) It depends on the architecture you're trying to build with it. And hey, if they've made something along the lines of Prescott, then sure, 700 MHz is definitely possible. But it probably won't translate into performance figures.

Still, according to The Inq, NVidia is preparing a G71 with ~800MHz core speeds, so ATI might get a run for their money if these specs are accurate

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Yet another forum slowly being ruined by Intelia. I seriously doubt anyone is worried about getting beaten online by someone who still cannot differentiate between the words 'know' and 'no.' Couldn't you pick a different target to troll, like maybe Peripherals?

My thoughts exactly. I wish you would go troll FS/FT, and I think we all know the the reason why...

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Spoonbender

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Ha 700MHZ+ Core and GDDR3 1.6GHZ I feel is a bit far fetched. All the cards on R5xx architecture are based on 90nm low-k dielectrics, If the nnumbers for RV530 are correct, don't expect a part that is clocked higher that is based on the same process, and is more complex. That just seems fairly ridiculous to me.

Well, CPU's can reach 3 GHz at 90nm.
There's no built-in speed limit for different processes. (Well, there is, but it's ridiculously high) It depends on the architecture you're trying to build with it. And hey, if they've made something along the lines of Prescott, then sure, 700 MHz is definitely possible. But it probably won't translate into performance figures.

Still, according to The Inq, NVidia is preparing a G71 with ~800MHz core speeds, so ATI might get a run for their money if these specs are accurate

Well you got to consider if RV530 is indeed 600MHZ "only" with 12 Pipes, how can you expect a lets say middle ground 24 Pipe Card R520 based on the same technology, to be clocked higher, to me increase transsitor complexity means reduced clockspeed when comparing parts of the same architecture and process, a good case scenario would be equal clock rates to the cheaper part if that.

I thinknig 700MHZ/800MHZ rumors are a bit pushing it, but I hope I am proven wrong as a 800MHZ 24 Pipe G7x card would really rock

 

[rbV5]

Well, CPU's can reach 3 GHz at 90nm.
There's no built-in speed limit for different processes.

Its called transistor count. CPU's have far fewer than GPU's, so of course they can operate at higher frequencies, its also why the lower transistor counts of the value lines built on the same process can likely clock higher than their more powerful siblings.

 

[coldpower27]

That's part of it, though CPU's use customs transistor and hence can clock them much higher then GPU's can, in exchange though they have to stick with these transistors for quite some time, hence you don't see a new CPU arhcitecture until around every 5 years or so. You only some minor modifications to the base architecture over the period of time.

NVidia and ATI use these generic transistors, which are slowers but they don't take that long to develop new technolgoy on them, hence why we have new GPU architecture so quickly in comparsion to CPU's.

 

[hemmy]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Here is a quick comparison between the rumored ATI cards and the current NVidia cards.

R530 vs 6600GT
600MHz Core Clock vs 500MHz Core Clock R530 wins
1400MHz Memory Clock vs 1000MHz Memory ClockR530 wins
128-bit Memory vs. 128-bit Memory (tie)
12 Pipelines vs. 8 Pipelines R530

R515 vs 6200
450MHz Core Clock vs 300MHz Core Clock R515 wins
800MHz Memory Clock vs 550MHz Memory Clock R515 wins
128-bit Memory vs. 128-bit Memory (tie)
4 Pipelines vs. 4 Pipelines (tie)

What else did you expect but to have ATI win the low and mid end with a new generation of cards versus the old generation of cards from NVidia. And yes I know you really can't tell performance just from the specs. The real question, which Anand alludes to, is how will NVidia respond? It would be very interesting to see a low end NVidia part with 8 pipes and a mid-range part with 16-pipes.

you realize this means nothing...nvidia will update their mainstreme and low-end products as well

 

[rise]

my apologies for going off topic...

Originally posted by: Intelia
The r500 for microsoft is totally new design with programmable pipes and unified. How much of this went into the R520 is unknown . But after the R580 which by the way is ment to compete with the G70 not the G80. Comes the R600 were pipes will mean absolutly nothing as it will be fully programmable. As stated before we really don't care about the R520 as we never buy the first generation of anything for ourselves.(except 9700pro)...

no, you apparently get them a year or so before release. from a few short months ago...

My husbands pc is a 3.2 C @ 4.35 on water X800 XT PE Its been running there stable for 2 years now not 1 problem.
My PC is a 3.2C never been O/C It is also Water cooled and real quit. X800XT PE

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...STARTPAGE=18&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
and your hubby(or alter ego, whatever) must be a hella gamer...

Hay that fits David to a Tee His PC isn't even connected to the net. He worries so much about hackers and theft. He is so bad that when we transfer files from his PC to mine he makes me disconnect. LOL

we should have a contest on who can make the best sig using one of your quotes.

 

[Intelia]

If you look at the Xseries mid stream cards and their core speeds 700+ is right in line. as for memory Gddr 1600 is probably what will be used there's an outside chance it will be 1800 there is know chance it will be 1400. or is that no chance!

If we knew what ati did with the pipes 16 pipes would be just fine 24 would be better and32 would be overkill . Why would they even bring it out.

Lets say that ati is able to compete with the top of the line g70 with their mid stream model. Which I stated they could yesterday in another post . Now nvidia has to bring out the big dog ultra. Than ati decides what to do with their big dog. I like that ati is doing bring out the mid stream first. that should be interesting if it competes as I said it would.

Most who have been following ATI know that on their first tapout they got 10,500 in PCmark 05. Its not unreasonable to expect 8000 PC mark 05 score now is it. With their mid stream card.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: rise4310
my apologies for going off topic...

Originally posted by: Intelia
The r500 for microsoft is totally new design with programmable pipes and unified. How much of this went into the R520 is unknown . But after the R580 which by the way is ment to compete with the G70 not the G80. Comes the R600 were pipes will mean absolutly nothing as it will be fully programmable. As stated before we really don't care about the R520 as we never buy the first generation of anything for ourselves.(except 9700pro)...

no, you apparently get them a year or so before release. from a few short months ago...

My husbands pc is a 3.2 C @ 4.35 on water X800 XT PE Its been running there stable for 2 years now not 1 problem.
My PC is a 3.2C never been O/C It is also Water cooled and real quit. X800XT PE

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...STARTPAGE=18&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
and your hubby(or alter ego, whatever) must be a hella gamer...

Hay that fits David to a Tee His PC isn't even connected to the net. He worries so much about hackers and theft. He is so bad that when we transfer files from his PC to mine he makes me disconnect. LOL

we should have a contest on who can make the best sig using one of your quotes.

Get off it ! We had 9800 pros until may of 04 or do you buy a whole new PC when you buy a video card your lame.
David does not have a p4c anymore and he did start gaming online with it about 2 months before he put together his present system that runs at a meger 3.0 GHz.
As soon as he finishes his present bench test he will probably go back online again.

 

[rise]

you're a fraud, an anooyance and irrelevant and the sooner you realize it the better off we'lll all be. just leave or stfu already, ok?

 

[Intelia]

4 weeks we will see who the fraud is.

Just for the record I have the fastest Intel based PC @3.2GHz.@ the orb its listed under my Intelia . I am going to try to beat that later today with the 1 day early 58 drivers from ATi. So you say I am a fraud I say David is the best around. David says O/C to get good score is for kids the real talent is making a stock machine mean. My score is 6023 in pcmark 05. Their are a lot of nvidias with AMD 64's and top of the line 6800's that don't come close without O/C David does O/C his stuff for testing purposes he doesn't post his scores . He doesn't get the highest scores nor does he try . He looks for stability only and if you did compare at the speeds he runs at he usually does have the fastest . But theirs always someone who O/C higher with an unstable PC.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Intelia
Rollo I have a question for you or I should say David does do you do gaming with your over the top system?

If so do you game online?

If so what games do you play online .

David wants to know because he would like to challenge you to play. Put up or shout up.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for your over the top system. After all his system is a 3 year old INTEL P4C with an obsolite X800XT PE.

Now you are just being stupid. If you honestly think the performance of your computer has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with skill, you are an idiot.

Youre starting to get it.

YAUP.

 

[TheStigma]

Interresting specs...

If I remember correctly there should be an ATI convention sometime near the end of this month. Does anyone remember the date? Also, do you guys think we can realisticly expect atleast some specs of the R520 to be revealed at the convention? This late in the game, they have to have decided on the production specs at the very least no?

-Stigma

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Intelia
4 weeks we will see who the fraud is.

Just for the record I have the fastest Intel based PC @3.2GHz.@ the orb its listed under my Intelia . I am going to try to beat that later today with the 1 day early 58 drivers from ATi. So you say I am a fraud I say David is the best around. David says O/C to get good score is for kids the real talent is making a stock machine mean. My score is 6023 in pcmark 05. Their are a lot of nvidias with AMD 64's and top of the line 6800's that don't come close without O/C

Clearly spending $600 on video cards and $400 on memory is the smart way to go.

Overclockers that destroy your system for half the money are "noobs".

I dont know why you keep trying.... really. Dont you like HardOCP? I hear their boards are fun.