ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

[Intelia]

Stability stability stability David goes to his own forums when I am off line that is.He getts a big bang out of all the Over O/Cers Ya David thought that gaming online didn't mater much about pc performance till he started gaming with his than he said it does matter. He really noticed when he built his present setup and had to use my pc for online gaming.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Intelia
Rollo I have a question for you or I should say David does do you do gaming with your over the top system?

If so do you game online?

If so what games do you play online .

David wants to know because he would like to challenge you to play. Put up or shout up.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for your over the top system. After all his system is a 3 year old INTEL P4C with an obsolite X800XT PE.

Now you are just being stupid. If you honestly think the performance of your computer has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with skill, you are an idiot.

The performance of a machine can very much impact how well you play. Thinking otherwise is just ignorance.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Intelia
4 weeks we will see who the fraud is.

Just for the record I have the fastest Intel based PC @3.2GHz.@ the orb its listed under my Intelia . I am going to try to beat that later today with the 1 day early 58 drivers from ATi. So you say I am a fraud I say David is the best around. David says O/C to get good score is for kids the real talent is making a stock machine mean. My score is 6023 in pcmark 05. Their are a lot of nvidias with AMD 64's and top of the line 6800's that don't come close without O/C

I'm not sure where this thread is going aside from flames shooting out from every direction. If you want people to take you seriously you should really consider trying to form complete sentences. Also, "dought" is spelled doubt, those aren't typos, those are deficiencies in education. Otherwise what may be a sound argument becomes overshadowed by your somewhat shaky communication skills.

Just an idea. Go back to flaming.

 

[Intelia]

Only if your looking for deficiencies. I make so many grammer errors their there know no bias bios . I know the correct form its just when I am typing I use the wrong ones.

yes i do know how to spell doudt . Again I have no idea why the g got in there it was not a typing error . Just a thinking one.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Intelia, can you please learn how to write properly? If you actually read what you wrote, you would find two main things.

1. You would find that you make no sense and break every grammer rule in the book.

2. You would find out just just how rediculous you sound on this forum.

However, I do give you a thumbs up for showing resilience... I never knew someone could continue to post on a forum where they were not well received... But, you... Well, you do it and therefore, have a lot of resilience.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: Rollo
I had two 7800GTXs in my hands

Wrong topic.

"ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed"

not

"7800GTX"

Thanks. This has nothing to do with nvidia. At all. Especially cards like 7800 GTX's.

You're both wrong. I was replying to the posters assertion that the ATI cards were three months behind the 7800GTX.

The date the 7800GTX was in my hands is necessary to establish a time frame.

Next.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Yet another forum slowly being ruined by Intelia. I seriously doubt anyone is worried about getting beaten online by someone who still cannot differentiate between the words 'know' and 'no.' Couldn't you pick a different target to troll, like maybe Peripherals?

I'm wondering why anyone is bothering to reply to Intelia? Some are not worth effort.

I think the forums would be a better place if people ignored those they find annoying. (myself included- I'm constantly amazed that some who seem to have real issues with me spend the most time responding to me)

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Yet another forum slowly being ruined by Intelia. I seriously doubt anyone is worried about getting beaten online by someone who still cannot differentiate between the words 'know' and 'no.' Couldn't you pick a different target to troll, like maybe Peripherals?

I'm wondering why anyone is bothering to reply to Intelia? Some are not worth effort.

I think the forums would be a better place if people ignored those they find annoying. (myself included- I'm constantly amazed that some who seem to have real issues with me spend the most time responding to me)

well, then there would be nothing to post about in video if we did that.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Yet another forum slowly being ruined by Intelia. I seriously doubt anyone is worried about getting beaten online by someone who still cannot differentiate between the words 'know' and 'no.' Couldn't you pick a different target to troll, like maybe Peripherals?

I'm wondering why anyone is bothering to reply to Intelia? Some are not worth effort.

I think the forums would be a better place if people ignored those they find annoying. (myself included- I'm constantly amazed that some who seem to have real issues with me spend the most time responding to me)

well, then there would be nothing to post about in video if we did that.

There would- people could post there opinions/experiences with the hardware.

People who disagreed could post their's, without insult or even direct reference to what they're objecting to.

It would be what the board was supposed to be about.

 

[Intelia]

I have zero issues with you . Its just that you seem to rub a dub dub the wrong way . Same as me almost.

The differance is I really don't care. People always attack my spelling and grammer form . Yet I read most the post . There are lots of misspelled words and incorrectly formed sentances. I just ignore their mistakes and try to comperhend what their tring to say. I like both nvidia and ATi doesn't really matter. I don't like AMD but we sell the 64's and not the P4E's . Thats the differance between you and I. I admit my bias . But we won't screw people over because of it.
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[fstime]

Ugh, 128 bit memory.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Intelia
If you look at the Xseries mid stream cards and their core speeds 700+ is right in line. as for memory Gddr 1600 is probably what will be used there's an outside chance it will be 1800 there is know chance it will be 1400. or is that no chance!

If we knew what ati did with the pipes 16 pipes would be just fine 24 would be better and32 would be overkill . Why would they even bring it out.

Lets say that ati is able to compete with the top of the line g70 with their mid stream model. Which I stated they could yesterday in another post . Now nvidia has to bring out the big dog ultra. Than ati decides what to do with their big dog. I like that ati is doing bring out the mid stream first. that should be interesting if it competes as I said it would.

Most who have been following ATI know that on their first tapout they got 10,500 in PCmark 05. Its not unreasonable to expect 8000 PC mark 05 score now is it. With their mid stream card.

X700 Series are built on 0.11 micron technology, X800 Pro, XT, XT PE & X850 Pro, XT XT PE, Series is built on 0.13 micron low-k dielectric technology, this is apples to oranges.

If you wanna compare the cores you need to compared the R430 and RV410, where the RV410 holds an edge at 420MHZ vs the Core of R430 Radeon X800 XL, Vanilla which is only 400MHZ. Since ATI has no R4xx mainstream/value products on the 0.13 micron low-k process the X700 vs X800 doesn't hold unless you compare the products I specfically mentioned.

Now, since ALL the R5xx parts are going to be 90nm low-k dielectric technology. You would assume that no part will breach 600MHZ in this line as added transistor complexity on an identical process. RV530 hold the record with 600MHZ so far, an a more complex part will not clock higher, quite the opposite actually.

700MHZ is not right in line when all products are 90nm low-k dieletric technology. Last generation was a special case with 2 different manufacturing processes. This new generation has the same process on all 3 lines, enthusiast, mainstream, and value all will use 90nm low-k dielectric process.

There is a good chance I would say for GDDR3 @ 1.4GHZ, if ATI wants to assure a hard launch as Nvidia did, 1.6GHZ GDDR3 would be pushing it. GDDR3 1.8GHZ is well in the super unlikely territory.

It' also extremely unlikely to get 8000 with the mainstream offering RV530, if it can beat Radeon X850 XT PE in 3D Mark 2005, I would be already extremely impressed.

It's also heavily rumored that R520 has 32 Pipelines just that only half work for the most part, so most likely release should see 16 and 24 pipe variants rather then a full working die.

 

[videoclone]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Here is a quick comparison between the rumored ATI cards and the current NVidia cards.

R530 vs 6600GT
600MHz Core Clock vs 500MHz Core Clock R530 wins
1400MHz Memory Clock vs 1000MHz Memory ClockR530 wins
128-bit Memory vs. 128-bit Memory (tie)
12 Pipelines vs. 8 Pipelines R530

R515 vs 6200
450MHz Core Clock vs 300MHz Core Clock R515 wins
800MHz Memory Clock vs 550MHz Memory Clock R515 wins
128-bit Memory vs. 128-bit Memory (tie)
4 Pipelines vs. 4 Pipelines (tie)

What else did you expect but to have ATI win the low and mid end with a new generation of cards versus the old generation of cards from NVidia. And yes I know you really can't tell performance just from the specs. The real question, which Anand alludes to, is how will NVidia respond? It would be very interesting to see a low end NVidia part with 8 pipes and a mid-range part with 16-pipes.

Nvidia has 7200 & 7600GT Cards waiting in the wind for when ATI bring something to the table .. the reason they wouldnt release something like that now is that they would only be hurting themselves if they did becuase they own the cheap and midrange market so as there is no Competition from ATI right now things are not looking good for us until ATI brings something out. Nvidia will do nothing .. " Bastards" plus they are also holding onto a faster version of the 7800 that may never see the light of say unless ATI's card is faster/

 

[imported_Ged]

we should have a contest on who can make the best sig using one of your quotes.

Here's my favorite:

yes i do know how to spell doudt . Again I have no idea why the g got in there it was not a typing error . Just a thinking one.

 

[Bona Fide]

/owned by nVidia's 24-pipeline GPU's.

 

[Intelia]

Ok so is what your telling me is that this is what the Highend cards from ATI well look like this

R530 ******* R520 x900****** R520 x900xt****** R520x900xtpe


600mhz ****** 600Mhz ******* 600MHz ******* 600Mhz
1400MHz****** 1400MHz****** 1400MHz ******* 1400MHz
128 bit memory 256 bit memory * 256bit memory 512bit memory
12 pipes****** 16pipes ****** 24 pipes ****** 24pipes


The names have been changed to protect the innocent. So this is what you want me to believe. I will except that . Buy crossfire AND the R530's.

If i was buying thats how i would do it. ATI just lost a sh1t load of money. Remember the ATI intergrated graphics also contribute on the crossfire setup.

So with the the R530 i end up with 24 pipes 600MHz core 1400MHZ memory 256bit memory and what every else the intergrated graphics brings to the table plus what ever memory is onboard for the intergrated gpu + hyperMemory . This does look rather good you sold me. All this from a mid range card that should choke any modern day CPU

 

[ayabe]

Frankly, I hope r520 is a superior product, we need competition, if ATI falters, NV will become "Big Brother" again and that's bad for all of us.

Regardless of whether the card has 16/24/32 pipes I just hope they can offer a competitive product at a reasonable price, with the 7800GT's offering very near GTX performance for $350(what I paid for my X800XL just a few months ago), ATI needs to get it out at a decent price or they most definately will have lost this round.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Intelia, can you please learn how to write properly? If you actually read what you wrote, you would find two main things.

1. You would find that you make no sense and break every grammer rule in the book.

2. You would find out just just how rediculous you sound on this forum.

1. Grammar.
2. Ridiculous.

This has been an educational moment brought to you by 5150 Joker.

 

[ArchAngel777]

1. Grammar.
2. Ridiculous.

This has been an educational moment brought to you by 5150 Joker.

Notice that I did not mention "spelling"? It might have been funny if, perhaps, you had caught me using an exclamation point instead of a question mark! You definitely get a :thumbsdown: for that one.

Edit **

For the record, that wasn't even remotely funny.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Spoonbender

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Ha 700MHZ+ Core and GDDR3 1.6GHZ I feel is a bit far fetched. All the cards on R5xx architecture are based on 90nm low-k dielectrics, If the nnumbers for RV530 are correct, don't expect a part that is clocked higher that is based on the same process, and is more complex. That just seems fairly ridiculous to me.

Well, CPU's can reach 3 GHz at 90nm.
There's no built-in speed limit for different processes. (Well, there is, but it's ridiculously high) It depends on the architecture you're trying to build with it. And hey, if they've made something along the lines of Prescott, then sure, 700 MHz is definitely possible. But it probably won't translate into performance figures.

Still, according to The Inq, NVidia is preparing a G71 with ~800MHz core speeds, so ATI might get a run for their money if these specs are accurate

Well you got to consider if RV530 is indeed 600MHZ "only" with 12 Pipes, how can you expect a lets say middle ground 24 Pipe Card R520 based on the same technology, to be clocked higher, to me increase transsitor complexity means reduced clockspeed when comparing parts of the same architecture and process, a good case scenario would be equal clock rates to the cheaper part if that.

I thinknig 700MHZ/800MHZ rumors are a bit pushing it, but I hope I am proven wrong as a 800MHZ 24 Pipe G7x card would really rock

I've got two thoughts on this:

1) With the X series the mid high range X800 PRO ran at 475 while the XT and XT/PE ran at 500 & 520 repectively. So I wouldn't be suprised if the XT or XT/PE didn't run up to 650-700. However............

2) the 9600XT which was the mid range previous gen card ran 500 - 525 for the AIW version (fastest stock core clockes until X850XT/PE!) They used it to test out the .13 low K format. So it maybe that the new XT/PE will not run at 600 as it is indeed to extreme for a high piped card.

Time will tell as usual - but speculation is fun

 

[Intelia]

I can't remeber the name of the company. ATI bought I thought it was Fast 15 or something like that . Has ATI used this tech yet? I thought that the R520 was suppose to be the first! Also I know that ATI is working with THe X tech for GPU'S but the testing was done on 0.13 micron and the 0.11 micron GPU's. This process is also said to be in use on the R520!

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

1. Grammar.
2. Ridiculous.

This has been an educational moment brought to you by 5150 Joker.

Notice that I did not mention "spelling"? It might have been funny if, perhaps, you had caught me using an exclamation point instead of a question mark! You definitely get a :thumbsdown: for that one.

Edit **

For the record, that wasn't even remotely funny.

Aww it wasn't funny? Guess I better not quit my day job then!

 

[Intelia]

Moving on

 

[Cookie Monster]

Some of you may not know (probably most), is that the pipeline of a G70 compared to a NV40 is 1.5 times faster. Hence using NV40 pipelines, a G70 would have "36" NV 40 pipelines...

As Nvidia puts it the 7800GTX does alot of work per cycle, improving shader performance. I wouldnt be surprised to see that ATi would release 16 extreme pipe card.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Spoonbender

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Ha 700MHZ+ Core and GDDR3 1.6GHZ I feel is a bit far fetched. All the cards on R5xx architecture are based on 90nm low-k dielectrics, If the nnumbers for RV530 are correct, don't expect a part that is clocked higher that is based on the same process, and is more complex. That just seems fairly ridiculous to me.

Well, CPU's can reach 3 GHz at 90nm.
There's no built-in speed limit for different processes. (Well, there is, but it's ridiculously high) It depends on the architecture you're trying to build with it. And hey, if they've made something along the lines of Prescott, then sure, 700 MHz is definitely possible. But it probably won't translate into performance figures.

Still, according to The Inq, NVidia is preparing a G71 with ~800MHz core speeds, so ATI might get a run for their money if these specs are accurate

Well you got to consider if RV530 is indeed 600MHZ "only" with 12 Pipes, how can you expect a lets say middle ground 24 Pipe Card R520 based on the same technology, to be clocked higher, to me increase transsitor complexity means reduced clockspeed when comparing parts of the same architecture and process, a good case scenario would be equal clock rates to the cheaper part if that.

I thinknig 700MHZ/800MHZ rumors are a bit pushing it, but I hope I am proven wrong as a 800MHZ 24 Pipe G7x card would really rock

I've got two thoughts on this:

1) With the X series the mid high range X800 PRO ran at 475 while the XT and XT/PE ran at 500 & 520 repectively. So I wouldn't be suprised if the XT or XT/PE didn't run up to 650-700. However............

2) the 9600XT which was the mid range previous gen card ran 500 - 525 for the AIW version (fastest stock core clockes until X850XT/PE!) They used it to test out the .13 low K format. So it maybe that the new XT/PE will not run at 600 as it is indeed to extreme for a high piped card.

Time will tell as usual - but speculation is fun

I have some additional thoughts to add to this, RV360 AKA Radeon 9600 XT, did indeed have one of the highest clocks of the time 500MHZ, as a testbed for ATI's new 0.13 micron low-k technology, but being launched at Mid October of 2003, cannot really be compare to the newer R420 X800 XT PE's 520MHZ which was launched in May of 2004, which is a disreprecy of 7-8 months give or take, giving plenty of time for ATI to tweak their 0.13 micron process to extract as much clockspeed as possible out of R420. So comparing when the 0.13 micron low-k process as new vs when it was more mature isn't exactly the best to me.

This times it's different ATI's is rather new at the 0.09 micron low-k dieletric so if ATI can achieve, identical clock of 600MHZ on the high end R520 would be quite the achievement, most likely I would expect, more conservatively clocked parts in good yeild at 550MHZ or something to that extent for their high end.