ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

[Regs]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about. 6-12 months late? I think it's more like 3-6 months late. It's not like I'm jumping on the 7800 GTX bandwagon either. 600 dollars for a card that doesn't even come with AGP? Nah. I don't see the urgency this year in upgrading. Last year you had at least HL2, Far Cry, D3, and WoW to worry about. All of which the 6800GT or the X800xt can handle unless playing above 16x12 res.

 

[nRollo]

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[nRollo]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Seems to me that you have put all those words in Rollos mouth.

How about some information to back up any of what you are saying.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1268610&enterthread=y&arctab=y

Here?s rollo giving up his gaming (performance and IQ) superior 9800Pro for a 5800, of which today he will have you believe, if nothing other than for his own personal use, that only SLI?d 7800GTXs will do because they give him the absolute best performance and IQ.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1278604&enterthread=y&arctab=y

Here?s rollo trying to convince AT members that the 5800 is a good card because you ?can?t tell the difference? in terms of game performance.

Wait a minute, I do believe an X850XT vs. 7800GTX SLI running Doom3 @ 1024x768 and I bet you ?can?t tell the difference?.


Now this is just precious. A thread where Rollo is trying hard to convince that PS2.0 is ATI gimmick. Hmm, PS3.0?

Originally posted by: Rollo
As far as the DX 9 goes, I still haven't seen anyone say they can tell the difference in image quality between PS 1.4 and PS 2.0, or that they know of any games that force you to use 2.0.

So let's not jump to judgement on issues that might not matter.

LOL

Yet again we get to hear about me buying some 5800s and the tired old controversy of the 9700Pro vs the 5800U.

What you bizarre people to this day don't seem to realize:

I don't necessarily buy cards because they are the best bang for buck.

I don't necessarily buy cards with any intent to keep them more than a month or two. I can afford to buy a card and sell it at a loss just to try the card because I feel like it.

Most of all:

You can't take what I said long ago (9/7/2003!) about DX9 performance to be applicable to 8/19/2005!


BTW- from your own link:

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you can get a bfg 5900 for a lil more than that price that will o/c to 5950 and smoke it
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That's not the point. The 9800Pro I have will "smoke it", and a OC'd 5900 at some things. I could walk into a store any day of the week and buy a 5900/5900U/5950, they're a dime a dozen, commonplace.

1.Here I state that I know I already have the best card available.

Not many people have Abit 5800s with dual heat pipes, copper sinks, 2ns RAM though, and I've always wanted a 5800 Ultra.

2. Here I state my desire to own a rare card.

Since the RAM is rated for 1 GHz, it 's a good bet I can run it at 5800U speeds. (especially since I have a Zalman slot fan to blow across the thing) If the core will reach 500, which my old MSI 5800 and every other 5800 I ever read about would, I will have a very rare beast : a 5800 Ultra clone that runs quietly and gives me about 9700Pro level performance.

3. Here I state that I know I'll have less performance than a 9700Pro, which is for sure less than a 9800Pro.

I'm going to buy a nV40 or R420 by the end of June anyway, those will "smoke" OCd 5900s as well. In the meantime, I'll have fun with the 5800

4. Here I state I will be buying a ATI or nVidias next gen within a couple months anyway, and that I'm just playing with the 5800.

How you people can be so obtuse to get "I was recommending 5800s" out of posts like this, or that I thought "DX9 would never matter" from posts like this is beyond me.

Yours is a TROLL post, plain and simple. You should be ashamed.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yours is a TROLL post, plain and simple. You should be ashamed.

This is a sample of a troll post.
Topic Title: ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

Wow.

Crossfire one year later than SLI.

High end, unknown spec "launch" four months after 7800GTX- and we don't know if cards will even be available at launch.

Looks like the rumors of another tape-out may well be true.

People have been posting all year, "It's taped out! Wait a month or two!" and now at the end of the year, ATI finally tells us to wait two months. Will be interesting to see if they can deliver by November.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yours is a TROLL post, plain and simple. You should be ashamed.

This is a sample of a troll post.
Topic Title: ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

Wow.

Crossfire one year later than SLI.

High end, unknown spec "launch" four months after 7800GTX- and we don't know if cards will even be available at launch.

Looks like the rumors of another tape-out may well be true.

People have been posting all year, "It's taped out! Wait a month or two!" and now at the end of the year, ATI finally tells us to wait two months. Will be interesting to see if they can deliver by November.

Strange how most people agreed with my assessment of that post isn't it, Gsellis?

Need me to post quotes of all the people who said that post was bad news besides me, or can you read them yourself?

Not trying to spin disappointing news isn't trolling- dredging up two year old posts about long forgotten hardware and opinions is.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yours is a TROLL post, plain and simple. You should be ashamed.

This is a sample of a troll post.
Topic Title: ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

Wow.

Crossfire one year later than SLI.

High end, unknown spec "launch" four months after 7800GTX- and we don't know if cards will even be available at launch.

Looks like the rumors of another tape-out may well be true.

People have been posting all year, "It's taped out! Wait a month or two!" and now at the end of the year, ATI finally tells us to wait two months. Will be interesting to see if they can deliver by November.

• AGREED

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: JBT
128 bit memory? weak....

qft.

I agree with some of the opinions in the thread,

1) Crossfire coming nearly a year later than SLI?

2) 7800GTX's been out for quite some time, ATI better approach nVidia from a highly competitive standpoint if they want to get back in the game with their current-gen cards (ie, their X900XT has to kick the 7800GTX's ass - not just 'narrowly beat the 7800GTX'). To beat the leader (currently nVidia), you gotta really beat them (however weird this sounds)

3) Delayed again? Sighs

Anyways, they better have a very competitive product, especailly with all these delayals.

-The Pentium Guy

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yours is a TROLL post, plain and simple. You should be ashamed.

This is a sample of a troll post.
Topic Title: ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

Wow.

Crossfire one year later than SLI.

High end, unknown spec "launch" four months after 7800GTX- and we don't know if cards will even be available at launch.

Looks like the rumors of another tape-out may well be true.

People have been posting all year, "It's taped out! Wait a month or two!" and now at the end of the year, ATI finally tells us to wait two months. Will be interesting to see if they can deliver by November.

Strange how most people agreed with my assessment of that post isn't it, Gsellis?

Need me to post quotes of all the people who said that post was bad news besides me, or can you read them yourself?

Not trying to spin disappointing news isn't trolling- dredging up two year old posts about long forgotten hardware and opinions is.

Rollo you are delusional 2,065 viewers of this post and you got 10 people that agree with you . The others are good enough to not flame an ati post no matter how they feel.

 

[Budarow]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy

Originally posted by: JBT
128 bit memory? weak....

qft.

To beat the leader (currently nVidia), you gotta really beat them (however weird this sounds)

This may be true of "dethroning" a heavy weight boxing champ (i.e., a challenger has to literally "knock out" the reigning champion as no "decision" will go the challengers way), but I find the opposite to be true of video cards.

IMO...if price and image quality is approximately equal, all ATI has to do is beat nVidia by a couple of FPS on average and the vast majority of sales will instantly go ATI's way. Even if Crossfire is not ready, the vast majority of peeps would still buy ATI's offering if it topped nVidia by a couple FPS (i.e., the VAST majority of peeps will NEVER utilize SLI or Crossfire) because it generally makes no sense to use SLI/Crossfire due to faster cards coming out every year...somewhat patient buyers need only wait a short time period before a single card solution will beat last years TOP SLI/Crossfire solution and at a fraction of the cost. It's been that way since dual 3DFX's Monster cards.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Budarow
IMO...if price and image quality is approximately equal, all ATI has to do is beat nVidia by a couple of FPS on average and the vast majority of sales will instantly go ATI's way.

Didn't work that way with the R4XX cards did it?
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

Even if Crossfire is not ready, the vast majority of peeps would still buy ATI's offering if it topped nVidia by a couple FPS

That's not what the real statistics say:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_24999.html

NVIDIA extended share from 70 percent to 73 percent from the first calendar quarter of 2005 to the second calendar quarter of 2005 in the Performance DX9 Desktop GPU segment as reported in the Mercury Research Second Quarter PC Graphics Report 2005

Looks like those "little bit faster" X800s just aren't selling very well.

(i.e.,the VAST majority of peeps will NEVER utilize SLI or Crossfire) because it generally makes no sense to use SLI/Crossfire becasue faster cards coming out every year...somewhat patient buyers need only wait a short time period before a single card solution will beat last years TOP SLI/Crossfire solution and at a fraction of the cost. It's been that way since dual 3DFX's Monster cards.

Those of us who don't have any patience get to game like everyone else wishes they were. Something to think about.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

yikes nvidia still has IQ problems? this is disappointing to say the least.

 

[Budarow]

Those of us who don't have any patience get to game like everyone else wishes they were. Something to think about.

No disputing that fact. But, let's face it...the price premium is pretty significant.

And Rollo...I know you've been told this before, but I'm (and so are MOST peeps on this board) truely glad that folks like yourself do upgrade all the time and run the fastest hardware. You folks give the rest of use "once a year upgraders" information to ponder until we upgrade again. But be honest...unless you NEVER take a shower, eat at the table, go outdoors (without a laptop) or "socialize" with actual human beings, I KNOW for a FACT that you "tinker" with your computer MUCH more than you actually game with it (BTW...benchmarking games is NOT playing games

It's the same with me. Gaming is fun, but it's more of an excuse for tinkering with my PC than my actual hobby

 

[Intelia]

Rollo if you were a Gamer you would have accepted Zinns online challenge.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Yet you call Rollo biased when at least he has SOME sort of information to back up his argument.

Instead of embarassing yourself why dont you just stop posting right now?

-Kevin

Please refresh my memory about any information regarding the rv530 and rv515 he or you for that matter have produced? All I read is this non-stop nvidia sales stuff and anti ati slogans mixed with personal benchmarks, which may possibly be accurate. Really I would like to hear some of this valued insider information about Ati's new cards. I really wish you guys would stop trolling threads that have anything good to say about Ati.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Budarow

Those of us who don't have any patience get to game like everyone else wishes they were. Something to think about.

No disputing that fact. But, let's face it...the price premium is pretty significant.

And Rollo...I know you've been told this before, but I'm (and so are MOST peeps on this board) truely glad that folks like yourself do upgrade all the time and run the fastest hardware. You folks give the rest of use "once a year upgraders" information to ponder until we upgrade again. But be honest...unless you NEVER take a shower, eat at the table, go outdoors (without a laptop) or "socialize" with actual human beings, I KNOW for a FACT that you "tinker" with your computer MUCH more than you actually game with it (BTW...benchmarking games is NOT playing games

It's the same with me. Gaming is fun, but it's more of an excuse for tinkering with my PC than my actual hobby

Well said . I just like being with David so I got into this PC thing but now I really do enjoy it.

 

[Saga]

Not entirely sure if I dig the master and slave type card scenario. It just feels like it offers a lot less flexibility.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Izusaga
Not entirely sure if I dig the master and slave type card scenario. It just feels like it offers a lot less flexibility.

Yes that does complicate matters, but I suppose it could also make for cheaper production costs (for those of us, who only want a single card solution).

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Budarow
IMO...if price and image quality is approximately equal, all ATI has to do is beat nVidia by a couple of FPS on average and the vast majority of sales will instantly go ATI's way.

Didn't work that way with the R4XX cards did it?
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

Even if Crossfire is not ready, the vast majority of peeps would still buy ATI's offering if it topped nVidia by a couple FPS

That's not what the real statistics say:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_24999.html

NVIDIA extended share from 70 percent to 73 percent from the first calendar quarter of 2005 to the second calendar quarter of 2005 in the Performance DX9 Desktop GPU segment as reported in the Mercury Research Second Quarter PC Graphics Report 2005

Looks like those "little bit faster" X800s just aren't selling very well.

(i.e.,the VAST majority of peeps will NEVER utilize SLI or Crossfire) because it generally makes no sense to use SLI/Crossfire becasue faster cards coming out every year...somewhat patient buyers need only wait a short time period before a single card solution will beat last years TOP SLI/Crossfire solution and at a fraction of the cost. It's been that way since dual 3DFX's Monster cards.

Those of us who don't have any patience get to game like everyone else wishes they were. Something to think about.

And then we look at this. Which was public about oooo, 22 days ago. Showing the Q2 market share results.

Seems ATi is quite far ahead, and id suspect still quite ahead even with the 7800GTX and GT launch.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/28/graphics_chip_market_q2_05/

I dont think nVidia could have made 10.9% of the market share in just 22 days.

 

[Matt2]

WHy is everyone so quick to defend ATI????

Until I see some hardware on the shelves, we might as well call it the X900 FX.

Everyday that ATI delays, hundreds of GeForce 7 series cards are being purchased.

You don't think that is going to hurt ATI market share?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Matt2
WHy is everyone so quick to defend ATI????

Until I see some hardware on the shelves, we might as well call it the X900 FX.

Everyday that ATI delays, hundreds of GeForce 7 series cards are being purchased.

You don't think that is going to hurt ATI market share?

And your point? If these cards come as advertised before any Nvidia counter, don't you think that will help ATI market share? Which of course is just as pointless. Will be surprised myself if 128bit is fast enough to deliver. Is really time for a leaked review - which should be happening if these cards are really circulating.

 

[SH3200]

this is ridiculous people are claiming that ATI is losing market share. Hundreds of 7x series cards are a drop in the pond that is the OEM market. BOTH companies to date have not released their mid/low end range that makes them all their cash so the point about marketshare is moot. OEMs arent gonna shift from shipping x300s/x600/x700s to 6x series mid range cards in a month just cus nvidia released their 7x high range.

 

[imported_Grave]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/19/ati_oz_event/

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Grave
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/19/ati_oz_event/

Nice find! :thumbsup:

 

[Intelia]

THIS link right here

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050602010650.html

Whats this mean it means that every GPU release since 9700Pro ati has had the NO. 1 performing GPU . Late yes but it still goes down as an ATI win .

As soon as R520 xt pe is released to work with crossfire ATI will again be no. 1 for 2005 thats the bottom line.

And I doubt ati well release a flawed card like nvidia did with there very bad IQ

 

[imported_Kensai]

Originally posted by: Intelia
THIS link right here

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050602010650.html

Whats this mean it means that every GPU release since 9700Pro ati has had the NO. 1 performing GPU . Late yes but it still goes down as an ATI win .

As soon as R520 xt pe is released to work with crossfire ATI will again be no. 1 for 2005 thats the bottom line.

And I doubt ati well release a flawed card like nvidia did with there very bad IQ

3DMark05 favours ATI as Doom 3 favours nVidia.