ATI RV530 & RV515 specs revealed

[Intelia]

If ATI R520xp is 24 pipe only running 500 MGZ . Than Cross fire makes a lot of since for the R530 12 pipe running at 600 mgz.Whats the midrange cost what $250. R520 xt $550
And for me I am on AGP. So its time to upgrade anyway But I really like that white PCB grouper M/B so thats what i may do with an FX57. Depends on how David reacts.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Intelia
THIS link right here

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050602010650.html

Whats this mean it means that every GPU release since 9700Pro ati has had the NO. 1 performing GPU . Late yes but it still goes down as an ATI win .

As soon as R520 xt pe is released to work with crossfire ATI will again be no. 1 for 2005 thats the bottom line.

And I doubt ati well release a flawed card like nvidia did with there very bad IQ

I totally disagree.

If you're coming into the game 3 months late, you BETTER have the fastest card.

I don't care what anyone says, not everyone who bought a GeForce 7 series card already is going to plunk down another $500 for ATI's probably only marginally faster R520 which means less sales for ATI.

The only way ATI is going to save face this time around is with the mid-range cards. The X900XL better be around $250 and better be just as fast as NVidia's mid-range that will probably be floating around $300.

ATI's low-end always sucks, so don't expect too much.

GeForce 7 series is not flawed nor is the IQ "very bad".

 

[Intelia]

Does it . Don't matter its the bench everyone sets the standard for graphics at.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Intelia
THIS link right here

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20050602010650.html

Whats this mean it means that every GPU release since 9700Pro ati has had the NO. 1 performing GPU . Late yes but it still goes down as an ATI win .

As soon as R520 xt pe is released to work with crossfire ATI will again be no. 1 for 2005 thats the bottom line.

And I doubt ati well release a flawed card like nvidia did with there very bad IQ

I totally disagree.

If you're coming into the game 3 months late, you BETTER have the fastest card.

I don't care what anyone says, not everyone who bought a GeForce 7 series card already is going to plunk down another $500 for ATI's probably only marginally faster R520 which means less sales for ATI.

The only way ATI is going to save face this time around is with the mid-range cards. The X900XL better be around $250 and better be just as fast as NVidia's mid-range that will probably be floating around $300.

ATI's low-end always sucks, so don't expect too much.

GeForce 7 series is not flawed nor is the IQ "very bad".

Ok if you say so

I am putting the R530 in the mid range. Not the R520 series


9700PRO was late but everyone says it changed how we see graphics.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Sorry to go OT for a minute (not that this thread hasn't done it already... but still)... there's just waaaaay too much misinformation flying around sometimes.

Originally posted by: Budarow
because it generally makes no sense to use SLI/Crossfire due to faster cards coming out every year...somewhat patient buyers need only wait a short time period before a single card solution will beat last years TOP SLI/Crossfire solution and at a fraction of the cost.

The previous TOP SLI solution is the 6800Ultra SLI. Check the benchmarks at 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF. 6800U SLI beats, matches, or comes awfully close in almost every bench compared to a single 7800 GTX card.

A few popular games:

BF2
6800U SLI....... 53.3
7800GTX......... 53.4

Doom3
6800U SLI....... 75.4
7800GTX......... 54.2

EQ2
6800U SLI....... 24.8
7800GTX......... 21.5

HL2
6800U SLI....... 118.4
7800GTX......... 119

SC:CT
6800U SLI....... 53.7
7800GTX......... 56.5

The 6800U SLI was available in January. It's August and the only way a single card can beat it is at 2048x1536 (where the GTX pulls ahead, but the Ultras keep close to the GT) or in an SLI configuration themselves. R520 may end up being that single card that will beat it. Maybe the rumored 7800 Ultra. Either way, it wasn't a "few short months". It's 8 right now, with new top-end cards just matching it, with likely another 2-3 months before a card comes that will beat it in a single-card config.

I can't imagine anyone jumping on the Ultra SLI 6 months ago would be feeling like they haven't been getting their money's worth. And likely will for several months to come.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
Sorry to go OT for a minute (not that this thread hasn't done it already... but still)... there's just waaaaay too much misinformation flying around sometimes.

Originally posted by: Budarow
because it generally makes no sense to use SLI/Crossfire due to faster cards coming out every year...somewhat patient buyers need only wait a short time period before a single card solution will beat last years TOP SLI/Crossfire solution and at a fraction of the cost.

The previous TOP SLI solution is the 6800Ultra SLI. Check the benchmarks at 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF. 6800U SLI beats, matches, or comes awfully close in almost every bench compared to a single 7800 GTX card.

A few popular games:

I was talking about generation comparsions . You guys always want to compare G70 to X850 xt pe a last generation card.
Ati ended up no.1 for the last generation by a large mardine I might add. And the will win this generation.
BF2
6800U SLI....... 53.3
7800GTX......... 53.4

Doom3
6800U SLI....... 75.4
7800GTX......... 54.2

EQ2
6800U SLI....... 24.8
7800GTX......... 21.5

HL2
6800U SLI....... 118.4
7800GTX......... 119

SC:CT
6800U SLI....... 53.7
7800GTX......... 56.5

The 6800U SLI was available in January. It's August and the only way a single card can beat it is at 2048x1536 (where the GTX pulls ahead, but the Ultras keep close to the GT) or in an SLI configuration themselves. R520 may end up being that single card that will beat it. Maybe the rumored 7800 Ultra. Either way, it wasn't a "few short months". It's 8 right now, with new top-end cards just matching it, with likely another 2-3 months before a card comes that will beat it in a single-card config.

I can't imagine anyone jumping on the Ultra SLI 6 months ago would be feeling like they haven't been getting their money's worth. And likely will for several months to come.

Bottom line ATI won in the last generation and they well win in the next .

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Yet you call Rollo biased when at least he has SOME sort of information to back up his argument.

Instead of embarassing yourself why dont you just stop posting right now?

-Kevin

Please refresh my memory about any information regarding the rv530 and rv515 he or you for that matter have produced? All I read is this non-stop nvidia sales stuff and anti ati slogans mixed with personal benchmarks, which may possibly be accurate. Really I would like to hear some of this valued insider information about Ati's new cards. I really wish you guys would stop trolling threads that have anything good to say about Ati.

Well i said this. No one responded to it, so i couldn't really discuss it anymore.

Please show me some posts where we have posted "non-stop nvidia sales stuff and anti ati slogans".

Rollo went out and bought 2x 6800, 6600GT and what not and posted his results, and the most you can do is say what about ATI.

STFU and go away. You never have anything to contribute and you always are follow certain people around crapping on their threads and bashing.

-Kevin

 

[Intelia]

What you are what 12 or 13 years old gamesneak

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

STFU and go away. You never have anything to contribute and you always are follow certain people around crapping on their threads and bashing.

-Kevin

I rarely even post in a thread started by Rollo and only "crap" on it if it is one of his anti ATI trolling threads. I did crap on your vid card thread by asking why such tripe rated a sticky. I humbly apologize for that. As far as STFU and go away - I would expect an apology for that, but I do know that it is habit to join every Ati thread - and start a flame war. As for following people around ... you guys should start one of your ban threads..... I did when I had enough of one guy and his ugly personal descriptions of others. As far as being useful - sort of pot and kettle situation here. :laugh:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Intelia
What you are what 12 or 13 years old gamesneak

Oooh, you called called me a name. And now, for some unknown reason, I, the person who time and again has proven you wrong is 12 or 13 years old. No, try again Intelia. Its pretty sad that you cant even flame someone.

I rarely even post in a thread started by Rollo and only "crap" on it if it is one of his anti ATI trolling threads.

Example please. Excluding the parody thread that he made.

I did crap on your vid card thread by asking why such tripe rated a sticky.

Well, that "tripe" was obviously somewhat important. The Video card FAQ thread, was fine i just let it get out of date. I, nor anyone else, saw anything wrong with it. As for my drivers thread, i haven't had one bad comment. Before trying to bash someone elses guides and FAQ's why dont you at least make on first.

As far as STFU and go away - I would expect an apology for that, but I do know that it is habit to join every Ati thread - and start a flame war.

Once again, show me one time that i have ever started a flame way in an ATI thread. Go ahead, try and find something; ill garauntee you that i do not crap on peoples thread nor do i go in and spread useless fan boy remarks.

A ban thread for what. We cant get you banned for being a trolling fanboy. If that were allowed, there wouldn't be too much of a forum left.

-Kevin

Edit: If you think i am going to apologize to you you can forget it. Im not being a stubborn kid or anything. Whenever i insult someone or screw up on the forums, i will almost always apologize in PM or in the thread; i see no reason why you deserve an apology.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Well said . I just like being with David so I got into this PC thing but now I really do enjoy it.

Who the heck is David? Please stop talking about someone who we have no idea about. Unless he posts here, start referring to him as your imaginary friend.

 

[mooncancook]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
Sorry to go OT for a minute (not that this thread hasn't done it already... but still)... there's just waaaaay too much misinformation flying around sometimes.

Originally posted by: Budarow
because it generally makes no sense to use SLI/Crossfire due to faster cards coming out every year...somewhat patient buyers need only wait a short time period before a single card solution will beat last years TOP SLI/Crossfire solution and at a fraction of the cost.

The previous TOP SLI solution is the 6800Ultra SLI. Check the benchmarks at 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF. 6800U SLI beats, matches, or comes awfully close in almost every bench compared to a single 7800 GTX card.

A few popular games:

BF2
6800U SLI....... 53.3
7800GTX......... 53.4

Doom3
6800U SLI....... 75.4
7800GTX......... 54.2

EQ2
6800U SLI....... 24.8
7800GTX......... 21.5

HL2
6800U SLI....... 118.4
7800GTX......... 119

SC:CT
6800U SLI....... 53.7
7800GTX......... 56.5

The 6800U SLI was available in January. It's August and the only way a single card can beat it is at 2048x1536 (where the GTX pulls ahead, but the Ultras keep close to the GT) or in an SLI configuration themselves. R520 may end up being that single card that will beat it. Maybe the rumored 7800 Ultra. Either way, it wasn't a "few short months". It's 8 right now, with new top-end cards just matching it, with likely another 2-3 months before a card comes that will beat it in a single-card config.

I can't imagine anyone jumping on the Ultra SLI 6 months ago would be feeling like they haven't been getting their money's worth. And likely will for several months to come.

wow going back to the SLI argument again...

yeah I understand most ppl who went the SLI route would not regret it. But from pure gaming POW SLI doesn't make much sense. My X800XL still plays any games available now wonderfully. By the time it begins to suck I should be able to pick up a 7800/R520 at a very reasonable price. The total cost is much less, and heat and noise is less in the system, and I don't really miss anything but bragging rights.

On the other hand, it makes sense if you have the pocket and you love to tinker with hardware and new tech. It's just like why I bought a 10k Raptor for $3/GB instead of just get a 7k HDD for less than $1/GB. When it beomes kind of like a hobby then there's no need to argue to justify it.

I first thought Rollo was kinda stupid to spend that kind of money on all those SLI setups, but then when i think about it, i do the same too. I think we all do the same, just maybe on different areas.

 

[Gamingphreek]

My X800XL still plays any games available now wonderfully.

Bump the resolution up to 16x12 or 20x15 and max out all settings and you tell me that it still runs fine.

Answer: SLI is a niche market. Unless you are running extreme settings there isn't really a reason to get it, except for the "cool" factor.

-Kevin

 

[Budarow]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Budarow
IMO...if price and image quality is approximately equal, all ATI has to do is beat nVidia by a couple of FPS on average and the vast majority of sales will instantly go ATI's way.

Didn't work that way with the R4XX cards did it?
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

Even if Crossfire is not ready, the vast majority of peeps would still buy ATI's offering if it topped nVidia by a couple FPS

That's not what the real statistics say:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_24999.html

NVIDIA extended share from 70 percent to 73 percent from the first calendar quarter of 2005 to the second calendar quarter of 2005 in the Performance DX9 Desktop GPU segment as reported in the Mercury Research Second Quarter PC Graphics Report 2005

Looks like those "little bit faster" X800s just aren't selling very well.

(i.e.,the VAST majority of peeps will NEVER utilize SLI or Crossfire) because it generally makes no sense to use SLI/Crossfire becasue faster cards coming out every year...somewhat patient buyers need only wait a short time period before a single card solution will beat last years TOP SLI/Crossfire solution and at a fraction of the cost. It's been that way since dual 3DFX's Monster cards.

Those of us who don't have any patience get to game like everyone else wishes they were. Something to think about.

And then we look at this. Which was public about oooo, 22 days ago. Showing the Q2 market share results.

Seems ATi is quite far ahead, and id suspect still quite ahead even with the 7800GTX and GT launch.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/28/graphics_chip_market_q2_05/

I dont think nVidia could have made 10.9% of the market share in just 22 days.

Well, your information is very good. But I think the real reason nVidia sold a LOT more video cards than ATI over the last 6-9 months is because of pricing strategy.

nVidia seemed to offer the better performing products at price points which were only slightly more than the "comparable" (performance wise) ATI product. I think the above was true for most of the past 6-9 months. Take the 9800 Pro verses 6600 GT. With the exception of the last 4 months...the 9800 Pro was priced maybe $10 less than a 6600GT. Not many people (to include myself) would buy a 9800 Pro when I could get a 6600GT (a better performing card) for only a couple of bucks more.

Up until ~late April or May (with the release of the X800XL), ATI had no card which would outperform a 6800GT and which was even close to the same price (e.g., the X800XT was $50-$100 more than a 6800GT up until VERY recently).

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Well said . I just like being with David so I got into this PC thing but now I really do enjoy it.

Who the heck is David? Please stop talking about someone who we have no idea about. Unless he posts here, start referring to him as your imaginary friend.

Ok my imaginary Husband But its been a great dream for 35 years. Please don't wake me up

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


Edit: If you think i am going to apologize to you you can forget it. Im not being a stubborn kid or anything. Whenever i insult someone or screw up on the forums, i will almost always apologize in PM or in the thread; i see no reason why you deserve an apology.

No, I don't expect that. I do expect you to continue to support Rollo, Keys et al and call all what you consider Atifanatics stupid and tell them to stfu. Usually the subject will surround Rollo and his 5800u or 6600 sli (even though wildly off the thread topic) and I expect this to happen in threads that are discussing ati in a potentially positive way. Personally I call this continual thread crapping, but I guess you must think of it as supporting your friends. As far as your useful driver thread? never even read it - the newest from ati work fine for me. Anyways I'm the one wildly off topic.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

My X800XL still plays any games available now wonderfully.

Bump the resolution up to 16x12 or 20x15 and max out all settings and you tell me that it still runs fine.

Answer: SLI is a niche market. Unless you are running extreme settings there isn't really a reason to get it, except for the "cool" factor.

-Kevin

Hay smart guy what if he has a 19" LCD I know you probably only have a Dell with a CRT but some can't nor do they want tp play at those res. If your listed at the orb whats your name I well check it out.

 

[Banzai042]

I'm still wondering if crossfire cards are even out yet, i can't seem to find them for sale on newegg. Am i just missing something here, or have they really not come out yet (despite reports that they would be out in july)

 

[Intelia]

How can we stay ontopic they keep butting in. So I well keeping getting disrespectful. I really feel bad for this kid hanging out at the forums . Must really be lonely(GameGeek)

 

[Intelia]

Theres a thread posted in forum on that . You can preorder them now . They will be officially released downunder this weekend. or next not sure.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Sapphire.html

 

[ArchAngel777]

Ok my imaginary Husband But its been a great dream for 35 years. Please don't wake me up

Wow, you sure dated yourself... *ouch*

 

[Intelia]

54

 

[ArchAngel777]

54

I am fine with that, but keep in mind we do not know David. Therfore, you should call him your *husband*.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Budarow

Those of us who don't have any patience get to game like everyone else wishes they were. Something to think about.

No disputing that fact. But, let's face it...the price premium is pretty significant.

And Rollo...I know you've been told this before, but I'm (and so are MOST peeps on this board) truely glad that folks like yourself do upgrade all the time and run the fastest hardware. You folks give the rest of use "once a year upgraders" information to ponder until we upgrade again. But be honest...unless you NEVER take a shower, eat at the table, go outdoors (without a laptop) or "socialize" with actual human beings, I KNOW for a FACT that you "tinker" with your computer MUCH more than you actually game with it (BTW...benchmarking games is NOT playing games

It's the same with me. Gaming is fun, but it's more of an excuse for tinkering with my PC than my actual hobby

You are correct- I like to tinker on my computers almost as much as game these days.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Budarow
IMO...if price and image quality is approximately equal, all ATI has to do is beat nVidia by a couple of FPS on average and the vast majority of sales will instantly go ATI's way.

Didn't work that way with the R4XX cards did it?
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

Even if Crossfire is not ready, the vast majority of peeps would still buy ATI's offering if it topped nVidia by a couple FPS

That's not what the real statistics say:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_24999.html

NVIDIA extended share from 70 percent to 73 percent from the first calendar quarter of 2005 to the second calendar quarter of 2005 in the Performance DX9 Desktop GPU segment as reported in the Mercury Research Second Quarter PC Graphics Report 2005

Looks like those "little bit faster" X800s just aren't selling very well.

(i.e.,the VAST majority of peeps will NEVER utilize SLI or Crossfire) because it generally makes no sense to use SLI/Crossfire becasue faster cards coming out every year...somewhat patient buyers need only wait a short time period before a single card solution will beat last years TOP SLI/Crossfire solution and at a fraction of the cost. It's been that way since dual 3DFX's Monster cards.

Those of us who don't have any patience get to game like everyone else wishes they were. Something to think about.

And then we look at this. Which was public about oooo, 22 days ago. Showing the Q2 market share results.

Seems ATi is quite far ahead, and id suspect still quite ahead even with the 7800GTX and GT launch.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/28/graphics_chip_market_q2_05/

I dont think nVidia could have made 10.9% of the market share in just 22 days.

Here's the problem(s) with your link Dravyn:
1. Although ATI gained and nVidia lost market share, where the transfer occurred is at the ultra low end. (integrated, $50 cards, etc.) ATI posted $9,000,000. lost that quarter with these "great" gains- nVidia posted record profits in the millions. nVidia now has 73% of the performance market- where the profit margin is. I doubt they care much if ATI makes $.50 per on the $5/each integrated market when they are owning the big bucks enthusiast market.

2. No one here really cares about integrated graphics and ultra low end. So instead of posting the stats of computers your grandma buys, I posted the stats of cards WE buy.

I was familiar with your stat, just don't deem it relevant as the shift helped neither ATI nor us. (ATers)