ATI RV740 Preview - First to 40nm

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
When does this hit the market? Does this mean that a 40nm RV870 is on track for July-ish 09?

Supposedly April from the article if I read correctly.

 

[BFG10K]

I'm amazed we already have a preview for a working 40 nm part, and it's not even March yet!

I hope they keep that cooler as it?s been proven time & time again that big fans are better than small fans.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
I think this is AMD's point. They're committed to multi-GPU... I wouldn't be surprised if this thing turns into the basis for a new lineup - MCM GPU's packaged similar to the way Core2Quads are packaged. CrossFire on a chip... 2x, 4x or more "cores".

I dunno about crossfire on a chip but I do think ATI is headed towards multi-GPU setups across the board as a way of controlling costs and being able to offer multiple performance points. The issue is that while ATI is pretty much on par with nVidia on single GPU solutions, driver wise, their multi-GPU drivers need a little beefing up if they want to keep pace with nVidia on that front.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: edplayer

Originally posted by: angry hampster
An overclocked 4830 is very close to a 4850 in performance for $75. Just keeping things in perspective.

A more accurate perspective would be that the $75 you quoted is for a user overclocked card that sometimes will be on sale for that price while the estimated price on this card is for MSRP

Also, the OCd 4830 is maxed out. Where as one would expect the 40nm RV740 to have some decent headroom for overclocking.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: ZimZum
Also, the OCd 4830 is maxed out. Where as one would expect the 40nm RV740 to have some decent headroom for overclocking.

Not if TSMCs 40nm process isn't great as has been rumoured.

 

[AzN]

This here is 4830 minus 256bit replaced by 128bit gddr5. I'd rather see ATI build a bigger chip RV770 style.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Azn
This here is 4830 minus 256bit replaced by 128bit gddr5. I'd rather see ATI build a bigger chip RV770 style.

How ironic . . .the RV770 was designed to be smaller than ATI's previous chips and smaller than Nvidia's GT200 chip. And it sold very well because it performed very well, because it was cheaper to manufacture than the competition's chips.

If AMD can deliver the same performance with the RV740 by scaling back the memory bus and using gddr5 for less money than the 4830, why shouldn't they?

Plus, the RV740 will not be the last 40nm chip we see out of AMD. Odds are, they're using this chip to test out TSMC's 40nm process.

 

[AzN]

Why is that ironic wanting to see faster single GPU from ATI?

This new chip brings nothing new to the table. It's the same old RV770 chip that's been cut to save cost. As an enthusiast I rather see ATI bring bigger chips. Maybe 24ROP, 64TMU, 384bit gddr5.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Plus, the RV740 will not be the last 40nm chip we see out of AMD. Odds are, they're using this chip to test out TSMC's 40nm process.

Exactly.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Azn
Why is that ironic wanting to see faster single GPU from ATI?

This new chip brings nothing new to the table. It's the same old RV770 chip that's been cut to save cost. As an enthusiast I rather see ATI bring bigger chips. Maybe 24ROP, 64TMU, 384bit gddr5.

They probably will... by stitching three RV740's together. Read the ATI interview AT did a few months ago. You will never see another large monolithic GPU from ATI again (at least not in the near future).

You will get what you're asking for however... in the form of either CrossFire or hopefully "on-chip CrossFire" or MCM-style GPUs.

 

[josh6079]

This new chip brings nothing new to the table.

What other GPU was 40 nm?

 

[SlowSpyder]

This would probably be a pretty cool HTPC card. 40nm probably should run cool and not use too much power (at least after it matures a bit). AMD 4x00 cards have great multimedia capabilies as well. Add that this will have decent 3d performance and not much money. If I wanted to buy now I don't know tht I'd skip out on a 4830 for this, but it'll be a good option when it's here in the future for sure.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: josh6079

This new chip brings nothing new to the table.

What other GPU was 40 nm?

or cpu?

 

[razor2025]

Originally posted by: Azn
Why is that ironic wanting to see faster single GPU from ATI?

This new chip brings nothing new to the table. It's the same old RV770 chip that's been cut to save cost. As an enthusiast I rather see ATI bring bigger chips. Maybe 24ROP, 64TMU, 384bit gddr5.

ATI's not going to follow Nvidia's strategy of monolithic GPU design anymore, as SunnyD already pointed out. Add with the current economic environment, I think the ATI's GPU strategy is going to pay off very well.

 

[Kraeoss]

so i'm guessing that this may be a viable upgrade from an 8800 GT ?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Azn
Why is that ironic wanting to see faster single GPU from ATI?

This new chip brings nothing new to the table. It's the same old RV770 chip that's been cut to save cost. As an enthusiast I rather see ATI bring bigger chips. Maybe 24ROP, 64TMU, 384bit gddr5.

ATI's not going to follow Nvidia's strategy of monolithic GPU design anymore, as SunnyD already pointed out. Add with the current economic environment, I think the ATI's GPU strategy is going to pay off very well.

It is hardly monolithic GPU design when you factor in the die shrink.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Azn
Why is that ironic wanting to see faster single GPU from ATI?

This new chip brings nothing new to the table. It's the same old RV770 chip that's been cut to save cost. As an enthusiast I rather see ATI bring bigger chips. Maybe 24ROP, 64TMU, 384bit gddr5.

ATI's not going to follow Nvidia's strategy of monolithic GPU design anymore, as SunnyD already pointed out. Add with the current economic environment, I think the ATI's GPU strategy is going to pay off very well.

It is hardly monolithic GPU design when you factor in the die shrink.

Huh? "I dunna thinka dat word means what you think it means..."

Monolithic means "one piece". We're talking about dropping 2 or more of these onto a processor package the same way Core2Quads are set up. You'll have 2 (or more) physically seperate dies in the GPU package connected to the same substrate. I wouldn't be surprised if we see that happen in the relatively near future if the performance of this chip is where it's expected to be. Imagine 1280 shaders on a 256-bit bus running GDDR5 for the same price as a current gen 4870, on a single card.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: Azn

It is hardly monolithic GPU design when you factor in the die shrink.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/monolithic

mon·o·lith·ic /?m?n?'l???k/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mon-uh-lith-ik] Show IPA
?adjective

6. Electronics. of or pertaining to an integrated circuit formed in a single chip.

 

[nyker96]

nice article now I need to go read it ... :}

edit: finished, love it! amd is testing water on 40nm with this baby, well done. at this price, all that rebranded 8800gt will have to repriced as well.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Azn
Why is that ironic wanting to see faster single GPU from ATI?

This new chip brings nothing new to the table. It's the same old RV770 chip that's been cut to save cost. As an enthusiast I rather see ATI bring bigger chips. Maybe 24ROP, 64TMU, 384bit gddr5.

ATI's not going to follow Nvidia's strategy of monolithic GPU design anymore, as SunnyD already pointed out. Add with the current economic environment, I think the ATI's GPU strategy is going to pay off very well.

It is hardly monolithic GPU design when you factor in the die shrink.

Huh? "I dunna thinka dat word means what you think it means..."

Monolithic means "one piece". We're talking about dropping 2 or more of these onto a processor package the same way Core2Quads are set up. You'll have 2 (or more) physically seperate dies in the GPU package connected to the same substrate. I wouldn't be surprised if we see that happen in the relatively near future if the performance of this chip is where it's expected to be. Imagine 1280 shaders on a 256-bit bus running GDDR5 for the same price as a current gen 4870, on a single card.

Damn my bad. I thought it meant huge.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Azn
Why is that ironic wanting to see faster single GPU from ATI?

This new chip brings nothing new to the table. It's the same old RV770 chip that's been cut to save cost. As an enthusiast I rather see ATI bring bigger chips. Maybe 24ROP, 64TMU, 384bit gddr5.

ATI's not going to follow Nvidia's strategy of monolithic GPU design anymore, as SunnyD already pointed out. Add with the current economic environment, I think the ATI's GPU strategy is going to pay off very well.

It is hardly monolithic GPU design when you factor in the die shrink.

Huh? "I dunna thinka dat word means what you think it means..."

Monolithic means "one piece". We're talking about dropping 2 or more of these onto a processor package the same way Core2Quads are set up. You'll have 2 (or more) physically seperate dies in the GPU package connected to the same substrate. I wouldn't be surprised if we see that happen in the relatively near future if the performance of this chip is where it's expected to be. Imagine 1280 shaders on a 256-bit bus running GDDR5 for the same price as a current gen 4870, on a single card.

Damn my bad. I thought it meant huge.

You were probably thinking of megalithic.

megalith

?noun
a stone of great size, esp. in ancient construction work, as the Cyclopean masonry, or in prehistoric Neolithic remains, as dolmens or menhirs.

Related forms: megalithic, adjective

 

[HurleyBird]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: razor2025

Originally posted by: Azn
Why is that ironic wanting to see faster single GPU from ATI?

This new chip brings nothing new to the table. It's the same old RV770 chip that's been cut to save cost. As an enthusiast I rather see ATI bring bigger chips. Maybe 24ROP, 64TMU, 384bit gddr5.

ATI's not going to follow Nvidia's strategy of monolithic GPU design anymore, as SunnyD already pointed out. Add with the current economic environment, I think the ATI's GPU strategy is going to pay off very well.

It is hardly monolithic GPU design when you factor in the die shrink.

Huh? "I dunna thinka dat word means what you think it means..."

Monolithic means "one piece". We're talking about dropping 2 or more of these onto a processor package the same way Core2Quads are set up. You'll have 2 (or more) physically seperate dies in the GPU package connected to the same substrate. I wouldn't be surprised if we see that happen in the relatively near future if the performance of this chip is where it's expected to be. Imagine 1280 shaders on a 256-bit bus running GDDR5 for the same price as a current gen 4870, on a single card.

Damn my bad. I thought it meant huge.

It does mean "huge". Well, not really, but that's what the people throwing the word around mean. It's ironic that if you take the definition literally it's ATI, and not Nvidia who has the "monolithic" design. NVIO chip anyone?

 

[Omerta]

Sounds good. ATI is really nailing the low to med-end. Nvidia need to catch up there.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
It does mean "huge". Well, not really, but that's what the people throwing the word around mean. It's ironic that if you take the definition literally it's ATI, and not Nvidia who has the "monolithic" design. NVIO chip anyone?

I don't know why I have that word mixed up. Mono means one. I'm being retarded.

 

[Martimus]

Any Idea when this card is scheduled to be released? With the size and power draw of it, I would like to make this the last update for my current computer. It should fit comfortably in my case, and won't stress the PSU at all. The performance with this is perfect too.