ATI RV770 in May??!!!

[thilanliyan]

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7623.html

Would be nice if true.

 

[geokilla]

Seems like ATI/AMD is on a roll. First they had great success with the development of the HD3000 series, and now the RV770. Nothing can go wrong now for ATI. It should give NVIDIA a run for its money.

Now if only AMD could do just as well with their CPUs......

 

[Rusin]

With GDDR3 + 256-bit memory bandwidht.. it would have one serious bottleneck there. Still..it should be nice card. If they can get GDDR5 onboard later they would be challenge for Nvidia's next gen. Don't know about release dates, but there are already 100% working prototype next gen cards from both Nvidia (GT200) and AMD (RV770) [Nvidia will EOL 9800 GX2 in three months]
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There are many questions:
-What will be the price tag? RV770 is more expensive to make than RV670[They are saying that it will have 250M more transistors and this would be done with same production architecture than RV670]
-How much faster it will be compared to RV670?
-When will Nvidia present it's 55nm versions of G90-series for desktops; They have G94B and G96B mobile graphics cards already. What can these chips do?

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Geokilla:
Well last year AMD's graphics department did do +/- 0 result. This year reports are saying that AMD would have made losses in all areas [which would indicate also graphics department]. Wonder why people didn't buy more of HD3870 and HD3850 cards when they were new..they had price advantage then? Now 9600 GT costs something like what HD3850 costs..and 9600 GT equals HD3870's performance.

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Well AMD's graphics department has a lot more potential at the moment compared to their CPU department. CPU-front looks right now very bad and there doesn't seem to be anything arriving to change that.

 

[Bateluer]

If thats true, it should coincide nicely with my Economic Stimulus refund.

 

[byronm]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Well AMD's graphics department has a lot more potential at the moment compared to their CPU department. CPU-front looks right now very bad and there doesn't seem to be anything arriving to change that.

Don't count AMD out yet! The market is in another transformation that is putting more effort into GPU/Physics processing which means it won't be a mhz/ghz war and more of a GPU/CPU war and who can bridge that the quickest.

AMD Spider platform is already a cost effective multi core cpu to multi-core gpu and the 780g is an excellent consumer level brand that can do high definition on a budget.

The 9850 is a great CPU and once deliveries go up, pricing will go down and give intel a run for the money.

Intel is banking on CPU development while ATI/AMD bit the bullet and went on a cross spectrum approach that i'm sure will pay off better in the long haul not only dollar wise but in energy/efficiency wise.

You can brute force to your wallets content but AMD has wised up and will have some excellent products/integration points coming out that INtel will currently have to rely upon its own products or 3rd parties to develop. IGP can rot in hell if you ask me

 

[byronm]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
If thats true, it should coincide nicely with my Economic Stimulus refund.

Ahh yes, the 2 tanks of gas rebate check

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: byronm

Originally posted by: Bateluer
If thats true, it should coincide nicely with my Economic Stimulus refund.

Ahh yes, the 2 tanks of gas rebate check

Quit driving that Ford Ecxursion and you should get several more tanks of gas out of that rebate check.

 

[byronm]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: byronm

Originally posted by: Bateluer
If thats true, it should coincide nicely with my Economic Stimulus refund.

Ahh yes, the 2 tanks of gas rebate check

Quit driving that Ford Ecxursion and you should get several more tanks of gas out of that rebate check.

Ever heard of sarcasm?

I drive a motorcycle primarily and an affordable Kia spectra 5 @ 35mpg otherwise. Its just pretty bad when it costs 20 bucks to fill up the bike here on the east coast.

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: geokilla
Seems like ATI/AMD is on a roll. First they had great success with the development of the HD3000 series, and now the RV770. Nothing can go wrong now for ATI. It should give NVIDIA a run for its money.

Now if only AMD could do just as well with their CPUs......

Great success? Used to be every time ATi or Nvidia released a new card it would unseat their competitors top card... and not just because it threw an extra core onto it... now just having a card that some people are willing to buy is a great success? I mean 38XX arent bad cards but I wouldn't consider them commercially successful. Now 9700pro? THAT was a great success for ATI... since then they've had enough minor success to stay afloat... but Nvidia has for the most part dominated.


Now, if they can combine Nvidia's recent ability to reduce power draw with new gens with their own ability to make mediocre families turn much better with new releases... then I'll stand up and take notice.

 

[byronm]

Originally posted by: Lithan

Originally posted by: geokilla
Seems like ATI/AMD is on a roll. First they had great success with the development of the HD3000 series, and now the RV770. Nothing can go wrong now for ATI. It should give NVIDIA a run for its money.

Now if only AMD could do just as well with their CPUs......

Great success? Used to be every time ATi or Nvidia released a new card it would unseat their competitors top card... and not just because it threw an extra core onto it... now just having a card that some people are willing to buy is a great success? I mean 38XX arent bad cards but I wouldn't consider them commercially successful. Now 9700pro? THAT was a great success for ATI... since then they've had enough minor success to stay afloat... but Nvidia has for the most part dominated.


Now, if they can combine Nvidia's recent ability to reduce power draw with new gens with their own ability to make mediocre families turn much better with new releases... then I'll stand up and take notice.

I was talking about the very near future, not the past 1-2 years. AMD/ATI had a merger in the middle of stiff competition and the past 2 years took a blow because of it.

I'm saying because of what is coming down the line that ATI/AMD has a great lineup and strategy moving forward.

Nvidia is changing its partner strategy to focus where AMD/ATi already is - especially for the consumer segment. Less focus on CPU and more focus on core to cpu ratio based upon PC functionality.

CPU of course is still critical but i believe the 9850 will put AMD back in the game for many people - especially if volume pushes the prices down.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Geokilla:
Well last year AMD's graphics department did do +/- 0 result. This year reports are saying that AMD would have made losses in all areas [which would indicate also graphics department]. Wonder why people didn't buy more of HD3870 and HD3850 cards when they were new..they had price advantage then? Now 9600 GT costs something like what HD3850 costs..and 9600 GT equals HD3870's performance.

In most benchmarks, the 9600GT sits right between the HD 3850 and HD 3870, in games where shader power counts, it tends to lag slighly more, with Anti Aliasing activated, the 9600GT tends to be as fast or slighly faster, specially on lower resolutions.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Lithan

Originally posted by: geokilla
Seems like ATI/AMD is on a roll. First they had great success with the development of the HD3000 series, and now the RV770. Nothing can go wrong now for ATI. It should give NVIDIA a run for its money.

Now if only AMD could do just as well with their CPUs......

Great success? Used to be every time ATi or Nvidia released a new card it would unseat their competitors top card... and not just because it threw an extra core onto it... now just having a card that some people are willing to buy is a great success? I mean 38XX arent bad cards but I wouldn't consider them commercially successful. Now 9700pro? THAT was a great success for ATI... since then they've had enough minor success to stay afloat... but Nvidia has for the most part dominated.


Now, if they can combine Nvidia's recent ability to reduce power draw with new gens with their own ability to make mediocre families turn much better with new releases... then I'll stand up and take notice.

nVidia dominated in the most part? X800XT outperformed the 6800 Ultra in sales and performance, the Radeon X1800XT outperformed the 7800GTX 256, the X1900XT outperformed the 7800GTX 512 and the 7900GT, the X1950XTX outperformed the 7900GTX and the 7950GT, so I guess that it means that nVidia had enough minor success to stay afloat, but ATi has for the most part dominated, until now that nVidia's high end market is dominating, while ATi is dominating the midrange.

 

[apoppin]

Nordic HardWare has been saying this for *months* .. actually they said "JUNE/JULY"

if you remember - *i* said MAY
-5 weeks ago!

kinda easy to tell

 

[superbooga]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
nVidia dominated in the most part? X800XT outperformed the 6800 Ultra in sales and performance, the Radeon X1800XT outperformed the 7800GTX 256, the X1900XT outperformed the 7800GTX 512 and the 7900GT, the X1950XTX outperformed the 7900GTX and the 7950GT, so I guess that it means that nVidia had enough minor success to stay afloat, but ATi has for the most part dominated, until now that nVidia's high end market is dominating, while ATi is dominating the midrange.

Enough minor success to stay afloat? Actually nVidia flourished while ATI stagnated this period. Not in technology but in financial success. Even though ATI had the performance crown, they over-designed their chips and could not make enough money from them. While the x1950xtx was awesome technology, it screwed ATI financially. Not having an effective solution to the 6600GT and 7600GT also hurt them badly; using a cut-down high-end card to compete, which is what ATI did, IS NOT the solution.

 

[evolucion8]

The X1900GT was the only high end cut down, because the X1950PRO was much cheaper to manufacture, also like you stated, even if ATi had the performance crown, where the money goes is not in the high end, is in the midrange which ATi is doing well.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: evolucion8
nVidia dominated in the most part? X800XT outperformed the 6800 Ultra in sales and performance, the Radeon X1800XT outperformed the 7800GTX 256, the X1900XT outperformed the 7800GTX 512 and the 7900GT, the X1950XTX outperformed the 7900GTX and the 7950GT, so I guess that it means that nVidia had enough minor success to stay afloat, but ATi has for the most part dominated, until now that nVidia's high end market is dominating, while ATi is dominating the midrange.

Enough minor success to stay afloat? Actually nVidia flourished while ATI stagnated this period. Not in technology but in financial success. Even though ATI had the performance crown, they over-designed their chips and could not make enough money from them. While the x1950xtx was awesome technology, it screwed ATI financially. Not having an effective solution to the 6600GT and 7600GT also hurt them badly; using a cut-down high-end card to compete, which is what ATI did, IS NOT the solution.

Totally accurate analysis!

That is why ATi needed to be bought by AMD
- i think they now have their own strategy finally working as an decent alternative to NVIDIA's more performance-oriented solutions

If r700 is NOT a surprise, then NVIDIA can be really confident with GT200 and their clear attempt to flood the market with good value at every price point .. different strategies [and i give heavy odds to the favorite - nVidia, this time]
-we wait and we

 

[bfdd]

Hell 600 bucks is only 2 tanks of gas!? My truck isn't even that bad! I can get atleast 7 tanks out of that ;P Will go nice if the GT200 comes out around the same time I'll sell my 9600GTs cheap and hopefully pick up 2 of those haha.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

No kidding! Eco stimulus to the rescue

 

[darkrisen2003]

Does anyone know for a fact that its going to be 600 bucks or is it going to be taxed based on your income or whatever? Im really curious.

 

[byronm]

Originally posted by: darkrisen2003
Does anyone know for a fact that its going to be 600 bucks or is it going to be taxed based on your income or whatever? Im really curious.

I believe it will just be part of your 08 stated income and a pure check/refund.

While i'm sarcastic about the price of gas, i do look forward to my rebate. Several credit cards have it claimed already.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: geokilla
Nothing can go wrong now for ATI.

:laugh:

 

[darkrisen2003]

well since I have already recieved my refund over a month ago im not sure how that will work. the additional wasnt a part of the refund though.

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: byronm

Originally posted by: darkrisen2003
Does anyone know for a fact that its going to be 600 bucks or is it going to be taxed based on your income or whatever? Im really curious.

I believe it will just be part of your 08 stated income and a pure check/refund.

While i'm sarcastic about the price of gas, i do look forward to my rebate. Several credit cards have it claimed already.

Actually, no, according to the latest from the IRS website:

Basic Information on the Stimulus Payments

Updated March 17, 2008 ? new 1040A-3 package

You've heard about it. Now find out how to get yours.

What is it? It's an economic stimulus payment that more than 130 million households will receive starting in May. It's not taxable, and it won't reduce your 2007 or 2008 refund or increase the amount you owe when you file your 2008 return.

 

[Pelu]

have you guys notice that since a few years ago... there isnt much difference between the new model and the old ones? I mean.. not that great difference in performance in games and such.. if there is a performance gain at all

 

[golem]

In most benchmarks, the 9600GT sits right between the HD 3850 and HD 3870, in games where shader power counts, it tends to lag slighly more, with Anti Aliasing activated, the 9600GT tends to be as fast or slighly faster, specially on lower resolutions.

In the xbits 9600gt review, its seems to be roughly equivalent to a HD 3870 depending on the game. It's faster in most games current games, but slower than 3870 in shader heavy games. I would say it sits at about the 3870 level and not between the 3850 to 3870 level. The problem for ATI is that with rebates, it's CHEAPER than the 3850. At least in the US.