ATI x800 XT vs Nvidia 6800 Ultra Poll

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Genx87
wouldn't say the performance was a "dead heat"...it looks like the x800 beats the 6800 by a decent margin on some engines, and loses by a decent margin on others

Isnt that the same thing as a dead heat?

Not if the games you enjoy the most play a lot better on one card or the other. Then it is no longer dead heat for you is it? Overall though, I would agree with you that it is hard to announce the performance winner. This race will be based on price, and what games you like to play the most.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: AtiLover
i would definatley go with ati, there drivers are way better, and i just have had no problems with there cards... but thats just my opinion..

hahahahhahaha

:beer:


Anyone who thinks ATi has better drivers needs their head examined.

"We?re also impressed by ATI?s driver quality. While NVIDIA?s ForceWare 61 driver is riddled with bugs, we found our experience with ATI?s beta driver for the X800 series to be a much more pleasurable experience. For instance, the ForceWare control panel wasn?t always up to snuff, even as frames would occasionally pause for three seconds or more in IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles regardless of the GeForce card used. Right now, we?d have to give the driver quality edge to ATI, despite the fact that their current CATALYST driver doesn?t provide all of the features currently found in ForceWare 50, much less NVIDIA?s upcoming 60 release (although we?ve been told that ATI?s CATALYST team has quite a few goodies in the works for ATI card owners). We?d take stability over features any day of the week in a display driver and this is exactly what ATI is delivering at this moment." - FiringSquad

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Its not design or engineering thats reducing their power draw and heat, its Low-K silicon.

and designers and engineers weren't the people who came up with the idea and implementation of Low-K silicon in the first place?

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Supa
The fact 6850 Needed to come out unexpectedly means ATI won the first round of the new fight; and it's no coincident that Nvidia rushed out beta forceware right before NDA of R420.


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ATI had to revise their whole range after seeing what the 6800 Ultra could do so they lost first!

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: AtiLover
i would definatley go with ati, there drivers are way better, and i just have had no problems with there cards... but thats just my opinion..

hahahahhahaha

:beer:


Anyone who thinks ATi has better drivers needs their head examined.

"We?re also impressed by ATI?s driver quality. While NVIDIA?s ForceWare 61 driver is riddled with bugs, we found our experience with ATI?s beta driver for the X800 series to be a much more pleasurable experience. For instance, the ForceWare control panel wasn?t always up to snuff, even as frames would occasionally pause for three seconds or more in IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles regardless of the GeForce card used. Right now, we?d have to give the driver quality edge to ATI, despite the fact that their current CATALYST driver doesn?t provide all of the features currently found in ForceWare 50, much less NVIDIA?s upcoming 60 release (although we?ve been told that ATI?s CATALYST team has quite a few goodies in the works for ATI card owners). We?d take stability over features any day of the week in a display driver and this is exactly what ATI is delivering at this moment." - FiringSquad

What part of "beta drivers" don't you understand?

Are the v61.11 drivers even on the Nvidia website? I don't think so!!!!!!

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: AtiLover
i would definatley go with ati, there drivers are way better, and i just have had no problems with there cards... but thats just my opinion..

hahahahhahaha

:beer:


Anyone who thinks ATi has better drivers needs their head examined.

"We?re also impressed by ATI?s driver quality. While NVIDIA?s ForceWare 61 driver is riddled with bugs, we found our experience with ATI?s beta driver for the X800 series to be a much more pleasurable experience. For instance, the ForceWare control panel wasn?t always up to snuff, even as frames would occasionally pause for three seconds or more in IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles regardless of the GeForce card used. Right now, we?d have to give the driver quality edge to ATI, despite the fact that their current CATALYST driver doesn?t provide all of the features currently found in ForceWare 50, much less NVIDIA?s upcoming 60 release (although we?ve been told that ATI?s CATALYST team has quite a few goodies in the works for ATI card owners). We?d take stability over features any day of the week in a display driver and this is exactly what ATI is delivering at this moment." - FiringSquad

What part of "beta drivers" don't you understand?

Are the v61.11 drivers even on the Nvidia website? I don't think so!!!!!!

To be fair, the X800 driver was beta as well.

Its just easier not to screw up with your drivers when you don't have much to screw up in them(or have to write for an entirely new architechure).

nVidia has always had driver "leaks". I hardly ever use the WHQL driver myself and I have no problems, but for what its worth, they've "leaked" some drivers that suck. When they put out a WHQL driver, its usually awesome.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Its not design or engineering thats reducing their power draw and heat, its Low-K silicon.

and designers and engineers weren't the people who came up with the idea and implementation of Low-K silicon in the first place?

Im saying its not some miracle work of ATi, its IBM technology. Why intel and nvidia arent using the technology is beyond me.

 

[Zebo]

I like Nvidias drivers and digital vibrance feature. I hear nvidia will work better on my nforce3 250. I also like its an american company. It's so close but I'll stay nvidia.

oh and no chance I'm getting anything "ultra" unless they don't make a non ultra to overclock.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Im saying its not some miracle work of ATi, its IBM technology. Why intel and nvidia arent using the technology is beyond me.

Yeah they definately should implement something along the lines because at equal clock speeds, the 6800U will be undoubtedly faster.

 

[Soulkeeper]

I wanna see a comparision of the two cards overclocked using watercooling and good ramsinks
I like the nv40 this time around, but ati did suprise me
i think driver updates will help the nvidia solutions more as a few months pass

 

[MajorCatastrophe]

I just checked out the review on Hot Hardware. They've got hires pics of the Ruby demo running with FRAPS. Given that it looks stunning, and manages to do so at high fps (higher than the Nalu demo on the 6800U), I think that says a lot for what can be done with SM2.0b. Shaders 2 hasn't even matured yet and nVidia are already introducing SM3.0?! The way I see it, shaders 3.0 is the only advantage the 6800GT has over the X800pro, so if there is no convincing proof in the next couple of months that gamers need it this year (or next), i'll be buying the pro. It's a lot easier to appreciate the benefits of 3Dc too - that's going to be a sore point for nVidia.

 

[DeeSlanger]

good responce to your poll rookie...

 

[Enoch2001]

Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: Enoch2001
Agreed!

Besides, the X800XT clearly has better IQ than the 6800U. Hasn't IQ always been superior on ATI cards?

Oh really? you need to ge here and read some more

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27425&highlight=top+bottom

Even ATI fonbois picked the GeForce 6800 over the ATI, and one even exclaimed it was "6x on a Radeon" They were fooled....Oddly enough, I chose the ATI.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27469&highlight=top+bottom

and again ATI fanbois choosing the GeForce 6800

As I said before, I'm no ATI fanboy - I've used both cards in the past. Ironically, the links you posted to are from nvnews.net - an nVidia fanboy site, no? The review that caught my attention - not from a fanboy, but what I perceived as an objective review, is from HardOCP. There you will find snapshots taken in quarters that actually demonstrate via ATI and nVidia's default settings where ATI demonstrated higher IQ in Trilinear Filtering, Anisotropic Filtering, and various Pixel Shader 2.0 screens from Far Cry.

Of course both driver sets are beta, and it's likely nVidia will fix its problems, but it's also safe to assume that ATI can fix theirs as well. Anywho, this whole discussion is moot anyway - what everyone perceives is obviously subjective, vous savez?

Cheers,

EnochLight

 

[Enoch2001]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Enoch2001
Agreed!

Besides, the X800XT clearly has better IQ than the 6800U. Hasn't IQ always been superior on ATI cards?

You're talking about Far Cry right? Cause I think you'd be the only one who thinks the x800's IQ is "superior" to the 6800 across the board. Every review I've seen puts them neck and neck, with the exception of Far Cry which seems to be a driver/patch issue specific to that game and that game only.

Check out my reply to Shamrock, and take a look at HardOCP's review. The default rendering in TF and AF is what caught my attention.

Cheers,

EnochLight

 

[DeeSlanger]

It's all BS, no sites are coming up with multiple comparison shots of advanced PS's. In reality we have to wait to compare IQ's of either card on PS quality. IE there is no software yet

 

[Supa]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

Originally posted by: Supa
The fact 6850 Needed to come out unexpectedly means ATI won the first round of the new fight; and it's no coincident that Nvidia rushed out beta forceware right before NDA of R420.


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ATI had to revise their whole range after seeing what the 6800 Ultra could do so they lost first!

ATI's X800 XT and X800 Pro were announced well ahead of time, unlike 6850 which we found out from Anand the day of R420's NDA.


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[Childs]

Originally posted by: Supa
The fact 6850 Needed to come out unexpectedly means ATI won the first round of the new fight; and it's no coincident that Nvidia rushed out beta forceware right before NDA of R420.


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Originally ATI was going to only have 12 pipes. I'm not sure that the 6850 means anything other than the fact that whoever debuts first is at a disadvantage.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Supa
The fact 6850 Needed to come out unexpectedly means ATI won the first round of the new fight; and it's no coincident that Nvidia rushed out beta forceware right before NDA of R420.


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Originally ATI was going to only have 12 pipes. I'm not sure that the 6850 means anything other than the fact that whoever debuts first is at a disadvantage.

Wrong wrong wrong. It takes well over a year to plan a card and develope it. They do not "glue" on 6 extra pipes in 2 months notice.

 

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: AtiLover
i would definatley go with ati, there drivers are way better, and i just have had no problems with there cards... but thats just my opinion..

hahahahhahaha

:beer:


Anyone who thinks ATi has better drivers needs their head examined.

"We?re also impressed by ATI?s driver quality. While NVIDIA?s ForceWare 61 driver is riddled with bugs, we found our experience with ATI?s beta driver for the X800 series to be a much more pleasurable experience. For instance, the ForceWare control panel wasn?t always up to snuff, even as frames would occasionally pause for three seconds or more in IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles regardless of the GeForce card used. Right now, we?d have to give the driver quality edge to ATI, despite the fact that their current CATALYST driver doesn?t provide all of the features currently found in ForceWare 50, much less NVIDIA?s upcoming 60 release (although we?ve been told that ATI?s CATALYST team has quite a few goodies in the works for ATI card owners). We?d take stability over features any day of the week in a display driver and this is exactly what ATI is delivering at this moment." - FiringSquad

What part of "beta drivers" don't you understand?

Are the v61.11 drivers even on the Nvidia website? I don't think so!!!!!!

To be fair, the X800 driver was beta as well.

Its just easier not to screw up with your drivers when you don't have much to screw up in them(or have to write for an entirely new architechure).

nVidia has always had driver "leaks". I hardly ever use the WHQL driver myself and I have no problems, but for what its worth, they've "leaked" some drivers that suck. When they put out a WHQL driver, its usually awesome.

and to be fair to NVidia, ATI's drivers are ALREADY up for WHQL, while NVIDIA's is barely even release candidate.

So at the end of the day we have the Radeon X800 XT, a card that's able to perform right out of the box, which has drivers that are mature enough to soon receive a WHQL certification soon but also has a performance level that's basically set in stone. ATi has been working on similar drivers for the past two years, so don't expect big leaps in performance, a marginal increase is about the best you can expect. And then there's the GeForce 6800 Ultra, with release candidate drivers at best, drivers that show promise, even though they're still an early build. But the potential is there to boost performance significantly, offering performance levels far beyond what we've seen up till now.

Source: Hardware Analysis

 

[Shamrock]

As I said before, I'm no ATI fanboy - I've used both cards in the past. Ironically, the links you posted to are from nvnews.net - an nVidia fanboy site, no? The review that caught my attention - not from a fanboy, but what I perceived as an objective review, is from HardOCP. There you will find snapshots taken in quarters that actually demonstrate via ATI and nVidia's default settings where ATI demonstrated higher IQ in Trilinear Filtering, Anisotropic Filtering, and various Pixel Shader 2.0 screens from Far Cry.

Of course both driver sets are beta, and it's likely nVidia will fix its problems, but it's also safe to assume that ATI can fix theirs as well. Anywho, this whole discussion is moot anyway - what everyone perceives is obviously subjective, vous savez?

Cheers,

EnochLight[/quote]

LOL, I wished it were that way, but the forums are littered with ATI fanboys, yes, I mean littered...as about 5 ATI guys came on the server and spouted nonsense, and was banned, even threatened violence :\

As for MikeC's credibility, he tells like it is, whether it favors ATI or NV, he doesn't let it go unnoticed. SO, NVNews is not biased in the forums, all they do is tell news. It USED to be NV news only, but it has grown so popular it is now news about everything.

 

[Brian48]

Originally posted by: Avalon
I wouldn't pick either...they're going to be too damned expensive

 

[Eagle17]

Originally posted by: Childs

Originally posted by: Supa
The fact 6850 Needed to come out unexpectedly means ATI won the first round of the new fight; and it's no coincident that Nvidia rushed out beta forceware right before NDA of R420.


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Originally ATI was going to only have 12 pipes. I'm not sure that the 6850 means anything other than the fact that whoever debuts first is at a disadvantage.

you wouldn't happen to have a link to support this do you? The pro DOES only have 12 pipes and they did not change this.

either way the x800pro is meant to compete with the 6800GT and the x800XT is meant to compete with the 6800Ultra.. ATI has yet to anounce anything they might want to produce to compete with the 6800UE.

I have not heard one thing about a difference between the reveiwed x800XT PE and any other version of athe x800xt... If ati has sent a special version of the x800xt to testers than shame on them. (I have not heard anyone talk of this and I am just speculating)

I would be very happy to have a x800xt but I will wait for pci express for this generation. (unless my 9700pro has any problems with the next few games released before pcix)

 

[samkoo]

Go ATI x800 XT !!! Go!!! PowerColor!!! Asus!!! Gigabyte!!! Go!!!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

would choose ati becuase its shader and geometry performance is especially good, it absolutley owns the 6800 when AA and AF are enabled, i dont require a psu upgrade for the majority, uses one slot, is cooler quiet and uses less power and it does all this whill still taking nvidia round the back of the bike sheads with a crowbar!!!

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: Shamrock

Originally posted by: Rent

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: AtiLover
i would definatley go with ati, there drivers are way better, and i just have had no problems with there cards... but thats just my opinion..

hahahahhahaha

:beer:


Anyone who thinks ATi has better drivers needs their head examined.

"We?re also impressed by ATI?s driver quality. While NVIDIA?s ForceWare 61 driver is riddled with bugs, we found our experience with ATI?s beta driver for the X800 series to be a much more pleasurable experience. For instance, the ForceWare control panel wasn?t always up to snuff, even as frames would occasionally pause for three seconds or more in IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles regardless of the GeForce card used. Right now, we?d have to give the driver quality edge to ATI, despite the fact that their current CATALYST driver doesn?t provide all of the features currently found in ForceWare 50, much less NVIDIA?s upcoming 60 release (although we?ve been told that ATI?s CATALYST team has quite a few goodies in the works for ATI card owners). We?d take stability over features any day of the week in a display driver and this is exactly what ATI is delivering at this moment." - FiringSquad

What part of "beta drivers" don't you understand?

Are the v61.11 drivers even on the Nvidia website? I don't think so!!!!!!

To be fair, the X800 driver was beta as well.

Its just easier not to screw up with your drivers when you don't have much to screw up in them(or have to write for an entirely new architechure).

nVidia has always had driver "leaks". I hardly ever use the WHQL driver myself and I have no problems, but for what its worth, they've "leaked" some drivers that suck. When they put out a WHQL driver, its usually awesome.

and to be fair to NVidia, ATI's drivers are ALREADY up for WHQL, while NVIDIA's is barely even release candidate.

So at the end of the day we have the Radeon X800 XT, a card that's able to perform right out of the box, which has drivers that are mature enough to soon receive a WHQL certification soon but also has a performance level that's basically set in stone. ATi has been working on similar drivers for the past two years, so don't expect big leaps in performance, a marginal increase is about the best you can expect. And then there's the GeForce 6800 Ultra, with release candidate drivers at best, drivers that show promise, even though they're still an early build. But the potential is there to boost performance significantly, offering performance levels far beyond what we've seen up till now.

Source: </blockquote>]http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1711/">Hardware Analysis

">http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1711/[/S</a>

Its easy to build a driver when you don't have to build it for a new architechure. Perhaps you missed that.

Doesn't really matter to me, I'm confident that nVidia will produce a solid driver for the 6800 series before it ships. They can only go up from this point.