ATi's counter: overclocked 5870, and "5990"

[BFG10K]

http://www.nordichardware.com/en/co...-counter-with-overclocked-radeon-hd-5870.html

AMD says that its Radeon HD 5870 graphics card, with GPU clocked between 875-900MHz, will be enough to keep even pace with NVIDIA. The memory clocked will be increased slightly from 4800MHz to 5000MHz.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/3/3/sapphire-ready-to-launch-radeon-hd-5990-4gb.aspx

The clocks on this "HD5990" are 850 MHz [realistically, 853 MHz] and 1200 MHz QDR for the 4GB of GDDR5 memory. Grand total bandwidth of the board is 307.2 GB/s - just like the Ares we described earlier.

 

[ronnn]

The overclocked 5870 at least makes sense. I never could figure out how ati could pull a respin/rework out of thin air.

 

[BFG10K]

The slight bump to the 5870’s clocks lends credibility to the rumors that the GTX480 is 5-10% faster than a stock 5870.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

But what are they going to call it? The 5870 pro? 5870 ultra? 5875? 5880?

At the same time they should come up with a faster 5770 to help fill the price gap between the 5770 and 5830...

 

[crisium]

Makes sense, but all 5870s can reach 900/1250 anyway. Does this mean they are gonna start making that the new default clocks but still call it a 5870 (like the GTX 260 improving performance but keeping the same name)? Or they gonna call it the 5870+? Or are they just saying "our card matches the 480, you just have to OC" and not actually doing anything?

/confused

There's already some 5970's coming out at 850/1200. Guess they better change the name on the box to 5990.

 

[RussianSensation]

What's confusing is that ATI partners are planning to release overclocked 5970s and overclocked 5870s. I guess only overclocked 5870s will compete with GTX480s.

Interesting that they wont officially release a 5890. But an overclock from 850 to 875/900 on the GPU (just 6&#37 and from 4800 to 5000 on the memory (just 4%) is less than ambitious. Last time they redesigned the 4870 chip and were able to extract a 13% gpu clock increase in the 4890. This would have been a lot nicer.

 

[OCGuy]

Do they not realize that you can probably overclock the 480s as well?

 

[Hyperlite]

Do they not realize that you can probably overclock the 480s as well?

zing.....

 

[SunnyD]

Do they not realize that you can probably overclock the 480s as well?

I'm sure they do, but is Nvidia going to come right out off the bat and launch a retail box overclocked part and not charge a premium for it? Hell no, not if they can't provide more than a few thousand units for their hard launch.

 

[scooterlibby]

The 5990 is not really AMD's counter and has been known about for awhile. It's more like Sapphire's 'Ares.' A limited edition card topping $1000 from what I've read. Now if AMD released a pumped '5990' with higher clocks to all partners while keeping the price sub-stratosphere and staying within PCI-E specs, I'd be pretty damn excited.

The overclocked 5870's seem like a neat possibility, though.

 

[zerocool84]

Do they not realize that you can probably overclock the 480s as well?

Joke of the day.

 

[Dorkenstein]

I wonder what kind of supply there'll be on these. Isn't the 5970 still pretty scarce?

 

[blanketyblank]

Do they not realize that you can probably overclock the 480s as well?

The question is really by how much? If the cards are really within 5% of each other then this is really just about marketing. ATI doesn't want NV to have the single fastest GPU performance crown, and since the 5870 OCs really well they don't have to.

Based on TDP I'm guessing 480 (250??) isn't going to be nearly as good as a 5870 (188) in OCing since the lower power requirement translates to less heat meaning more OCing headroom.

I wonder if the new cards will use binned chips or not for something like these. If they are then might be worth it to have a guaranteed 1000 Mhz OC.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

90% of users just leave their cards at stock settings. Hell 90% of reviews test card at their stock settings then overclock it and then run 1 or 2 benchmarks. There is a reason that the market for factory overclocked card exists and it's mainly for people who don't overclock it themselves (or they would just buy the regular card and overclock it). Stock performance matters more than maximum overclock performance.

 

[RussianSensation]

For those lucky enough to have a GTX480 the day following launch date, it will be very hard to resist playing with your toy on Earth Hour: http://www.earthhour.org/Homepage.aspx

Maybe the Gods can summon all the GTX480/470 cards on March 27th and make them run the United States electric power grid just off the power from those cards for 1 hour Throw some innocent ATI souls into the pit for a little extra oomph.

New videocard launches in the videogame forum are like crack for AnandTech geeks

 

[Corporate Thug]

But what are they going to call it? The 5870 pro? 5870 ultra? 5875? 5880?

At the same time they should come up with a faster 5770 to help fill the price gap between the 5770 and 5830...

bring back 'platinum edition' naming scheme!

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Bring back the X800 XT crap. Hell they could call it the Radeon HD X5870 XT Turbo plantinum edition deluxe. That name alone would gurantee a few thousand sales to fanboys right there.

 

[happy medium]

5870 turbo!

 

[cbn]

So these are not newly re-designed cores? These are just cherry picked Cypress units that were being held back while ATI had no competition?

That would make sense to me. I could never figure out why Juniper prices were dropping but Cypress prices were increasing?

 

[nyker96]

you don't need to buy a overclocked 5870 just take a regular 5870 and overclock it yourself. if this is true then gtx 480s don't seem to be that much faster. I heard rumors it's 20% faster but this only puts it 5-10%.

 

[cbn]

http://www.nordichardware.com/en/co...-counter-with-overclocked-radeon-hd-5870.html

AMD says that its Radeon HD 5870 graphics card, with GPU clocked between 875-900MHz, will be enough to keep even pace with NVIDIA. The memory clocked will be increased slightly from 4800MHz to 5000MHz.

I wonder what the TDP will be for this part?

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Well the 5870 is 188W and as long as they don't have to up the voltage (or maybe if it's just 0.025v or something) you can expect it to be fairly close to that. A guess would be in the low 200 range or something.

 

[lavaheadache]

bring back 'platinum edition' naming scheme!

if they did that but with extremely good availability, they probably would still sell out making it the Phantom Edition, again, lol

 

[cbn]

Based on TDP I'm guessing 480 (250??) isn't going to be nearly as good as a 5870 (188) in OCing since the lower power requirement translates to less heat meaning more OCing headroom.

Well yeah, but then realize Fermi has a much bigger die (which means heat distribution at x watts will be better than what would happen with a smaller die).

So 300 watts overclocked for 529mm2 Fermi is going to result in lower chip temperatures than 300 watts for Cypress on a 333 m2 die (assuming heat sinks are roughly equivalent). Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Stoneburner]

what the hell would a 5990 compete with? The 480 is expected to be slower than the 5970. Unless it is not.