Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: ElFenix
remember to build your carbs back up slowly. you do need some.
20g is all you need to properly function.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: ElFenix
remember to build your carbs back up slowly. you do need some.
20g is all you need to properly function.
which is why you remain on the 20g/day the whole diet.
Originally posted by: yayo
Try reading the book, for starters.
You are allowed to have coffee on Atkins, I don't understand why all you people think differently. It's not advised but if you feel you can't live without it, you are allowed to have it. Just with sweetner, not sugar. Not no milk or cream, instead use 2 tbls of whip cream.
READ THE BOOK!
Don't just think you can do the diet without knowing what you are doing....
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: yayo
Try reading the book, for starters.
You are allowed to have coffee on Atkins, I don't understand why all you people think differently. It's not advised but if you feel you can't live without it, you are allowed to have it. Just with sweetner, not sugar. Not no milk or cream, instead use 2 tbls of whip cream.
READ THE BOOK!
Don't just think you can do the diet without knowing what you are doing....
The New Diet Revolution clearly states everyone should avoid caffeine.
Originally posted by: yayo
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: yayo
Try reading the book, for starters.
You are allowed to have coffee on Atkins, I don't understand why all you people think differently. It's not advised but if you feel you can't live without it, you are allowed to have it. Just with sweetner, not sugar. Not no milk or cream, instead use 2 tbls of whip cream.
READ THE BOOK!
Don't just think you can do the diet without knowing what you are doing....
The New Diet Revolution clearly states everyone should avoid caffeine.
ya ya ya ...
tap waters is bad for you too....
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: yayo
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: yayo
Try reading the book, for starters.
You are allowed to have coffee on Atkins, I don't understand why all you people think differently. It's not advised but if you feel you can't live without it, you are allowed to have it. Just with sweetner, not sugar. Not no milk or cream, instead use 2 tbls of whip cream.
READ THE BOOK!
Don't just think you can do the diet without knowing what you are doing....
The New Diet Revolution clearly states everyone should avoid caffeine.
ya ya ya ...
tap waters is bad for you too....
Well, if you're going to tell someone to read the book, then you should also...
Originally posted by: yayo
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: yayo
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: yayo
Try reading the book, for starters.
You are allowed to have coffee on Atkins, I don't understand why all you people think differently. It's not advised but if you feel you can't live without it, you are allowed to have it. Just with sweetner, not sugar. Not no milk or cream, instead use 2 tbls of whip cream.
READ THE BOOK!
Don't just think you can do the diet without knowing what you are doing....
The New Diet Revolution clearly states everyone should avoid caffeine.
ya ya ya ...
tap waters is bad for you too....
Well, if you're going to tell someone to read the book, then you should also...
Not only have I read it, I own it and not tomention did a school project on Atkins about 10 years ago.
Coffee is OKAY to drink, if you cant remove it from your diet. Sheesh. Freak out about it why dont you.
Originally posted by: Krassus
I'm speechless. Gradually switch over two weeks? This is coffee, not heroin! The amount of willpower it takes to quit coffee cold turkey is laughable compared to what is needed to get a great physique. JUST DO IT!Originally posted by: Shanti
I have started my plan to gradually switch to decaffeinated coffee over the next week or two.
Originally posted by: luv2chill
There's your problem right there. One of the biggest misconceptions perpetuated by the low-carb "industry" (even Atkins) is that you can eat "low carb" candy with the belief that it is only 1-2 grams of carbohydrates.Originally posted by: Shanti
<snip>And I had lost 6 pounds in the first 6 days, but hadn't lost anything in the last 6 days.
I ate sugar free candy...
The dirty little lie about this stuff is that these foods almost always contain large quantities of sugar alcohols (e.g. malitol, sorbital, lacitol, erythritol, etc.). Depending on the candy, sometimes upwards of 40 grams PER serving. As you (should) know, that is more grams of carbohydrates than you're allowed to have in a single day (two days in induction!). The reason these companies are allowed to get away with this is that sugar alcohols don't have as large an effect on insulin levels *for some people*. The problem is that different people respond to them in different ways. Some lucky souls have little to no insulin response from sugar alcohols. Other people (the middle of the curve) have a reduced insulin response compared to regular sugars, and some people react to them the same as they would pure sugar. There's no hard and fast rule, but there is one very unscientific way to gauge your body's reaction to ingestion of sugar alcohols... the CYP (Crap Your Pants) factor.
As diabetics already know (they've been dealing with sugar alcohols forever), one nasty side effect of sugar alcohols is that they can cause gas and diarrhea (the euphamism on the nutrition label is usually "laxative effect"). The reason this happens is the same as why they tend not to spike insulin levels--the human body can't readily digest them. So as they pass undigested through your gut, the bacteria that live there have a field day.
So, if you are prone to the "laxitive effect" of those low-carb candies (even when just eating a normal serving) then conversely you probably don't get much of an insulin response from ingesting them--they have passed largely undigested into your intestines. On the other hand, if you don't notice any digestive problems even after eating excessive amounts of the stuff, then it means your body is digesting them just fine and thus spiking your insulin levels, ruining your diet.
See, it's a lose-lose situation with sugar alcohols. Either you can eat them knowing they won't spoil your diet (be sure a toilet is nearby and get some toilet paper with aloe) or you can eat them without any intestinal "distress" knowing that even small amounts are being treated by your body just like normal sugar.
Most of us are somewhere in between. Also, not all sugar alcohols are created equal. Malitol is the cheapest, and therefore used most often. However, has a high CYP factor and many people show an insulin response from ingensting it. Lacitol is even worse (beware of the sugar-free Reeses PB Cups). The best one (also the most expensive--go figure) is erythritol. It causes minimal digestive problems and also tends to have the smallest effect on your insulin levels.
One other point to note is that some of the less-noble food manufacturers don't even itemize how many grams of sugar alcohols are in their product--they omit it from the carb count for you, leaving you with the notion that the full size chocolate bar you just inhaled only had 1g of carbohydrates. Common sense should set off warning bells, but a lot of people don't know about how macronutrients work so they just assume they are being told the truth. Always look at the ingredient list. If you see something ending in "-tol" near the beginning, just know that it's got a large amount of carbohydrates in it--despite what the nutrition info might tell you.
Sorry to hijack your thread amnesiac. Hopefully people find this information useful.
l2c
Originally posted by: Shanti
Originally posted by: Krassus
I'm speechless. Gradually switch over two weeks? This is coffee, not heroin! The amount of willpower it takes to quit coffee cold turkey is laughable compared to what is needed to get a great physique. JUST DO IT!Originally posted by: Shanti
I have started my plan to gradually switch to decaffeinated coffee over the next week or two.
It's not about the willpower. I could quit coffee whenever I want. It's the horrendous caffeine withdrawal headaches that I want to try to avoid. When I get those, no pain killers help at all.
Besides, I want to get in the habit of exercising every day before I start Atkins again.
Plus I just bought a bunch of potatos and pasta and bread.
That is why I am waiting a week or so before starting again.
Originally posted by: luv2chill
There's your problem right there. One of the biggest misconceptions perpetuated by the low-carb "industry" (even Atkins) is that you can eat "low carb" candy with the belief that it is only 1-2 grams of carbohydrates.Originally posted by: Shanti
<snip>And I had lost 6 pounds in the first 6 days, but hadn't lost anything in the last 6 days.
I ate sugar free candy...
The dirty little lie about this stuff is that these foods almost always contain large quantities of sugar alcohols (e.g. malitol, sorbital, lacitol, erythritol, etc.). Depending on the candy, sometimes upwards of 40 grams PER serving. As you (should) know, that is more grams of carbohydrates than you're allowed to have in a single day (two days in induction!). The reason these companies are allowed to get away with this is that sugar alcohols don't have as large an effect on insulin levels *for some people*. The problem is that different people respond to them in different ways. Some lucky souls have little to no insulin response from sugar alcohols. Other people (the middle of the curve) have a reduced insulin response compared to regular sugars, and some people react to them the same as they would pure sugar. There's no hard and fast rule, but there is one very unscientific way to gauge your body's reaction to ingestion of sugar alcohols... the CYP (Crap Your Pants) factor.
As diabetics already know (they've been dealing with sugar alcohols forever), one nasty side effect of sugar alcohols is that they can cause gas and diarrhea (the euphamism on the nutrition label is usually "laxative effect"). The reason this happens is the same as why they tend not to spike insulin levels--the human body can't readily digest them. So as they pass undigested through your gut, the bacteria that live there have a field day.
So, if you are prone to the "laxitive effect" of those low-carb candies (even when just eating a normal serving) then conversely you probably don't get much of an insulin response from ingesting them--they have passed largely undigested into your intestines. On the other hand, if you don't notice any digestive problems even after eating excessive amounts of the stuff, then it means your body is digesting them just fine and thus spiking your insulin levels, ruining your diet.
See, it's a lose-lose situation with sugar alcohols. Either you can eat them knowing they won't spoil your diet (be sure a toilet is nearby and get some toilet paper with aloe) or you can eat them without any intestinal "distress" knowing that even small amounts are being treated by your body just like normal sugar.
Most of us are somewhere in between. Also, not all sugar alcohols are created equal. Malitol is the cheapest, and therefore used most often. However, has a high CYP factor and many people show an insulin response from ingensting it. Lacitol is even worse (beware of the sugar-free Reeses PB Cups). The best one (also the most expensive--go figure) is erythritol. It causes minimal digestive problems and also tends to have the smallest effect on your insulin levels.
One other point to note is that some of the less-noble food manufacturers don't even itemize how many grams of sugar alcohols are in their product--they omit it from the carb count for you, leaving you with the notion that the full size chocolate bar you just inhaled only had 1g of carbohydrates. Common sense should set off warning bells, but a lot of people don't know about how macronutrients work so they just assume they are being told the truth. Always look at the ingredient list. If you see something ending in "-tol" near the beginning, just know that it's got a large amount of carbohydrates in it--despite what the nutrition info might tell you.
Sorry to hijack your thread amnesiac. Hopefully people find this information useful.
l2c
Damn that Atkins. According to them, sugar alcohols (inlcluding maltitol) don't have to be counted as carbs because they don't affect your blood sugar levels.
I didn't have any ill digestive effects from the maltitol, so if you what you are saying is true, that means it did have a substantial effect on my blood sugar and likely screwed up my diet. It wasn't until the 4th or 5th day that I started eating this stuff, which is right about when I stopped losing weight.
Yayo,
Atkins rules of induction clearly state that caffeine should be avoided. Especially by those people who are caffeine dependent.
I'm not sure how you missed that.
EDIT: Unless it's a relatively recent recommendation and you are basing your statements on old information.
Originally posted by: Shanti
Originally posted by: Krassus
I'm speechless. Gradually switch over two weeks? This is coffee, not heroin! The amount of willpower it takes to quit coffee cold turkey is laughable compared to what is needed to get a great physique. JUST DO IT!Originally posted by: Shanti
I have started my plan to gradually switch to decaffeinated coffee over the next week or two.
It's not about the willpower. I could quit coffee whenever I want. It's the horrendous caffeine withdrawal headaches that I want to try to avoid. When I get those, no pain killers help at all.
Besides, I want to get in the habit of exercising every day before I start Atkins again.
Plus I just bought a bunch of potatos and pasta and bread.
That is why I am waiting a week or so before starting again.
Originally posted by: luv2chill
There's your problem right there. One of the biggest misconceptions perpetuated by the low-carb "industry" (even Atkins) is that you can eat "low carb" candy with the belief that it is only 1-2 grams of carbohydrates.Originally posted by: Shanti
<snip>And I had lost 6 pounds in the first 6 days, but hadn't lost anything in the last 6 days.
I ate sugar free candy...
The dirty little lie about this stuff is that these foods almost always contain large quantities of sugar alcohols (e.g. malitol, sorbital, lacitol, erythritol, etc.). Depending on the candy, sometimes upwards of 40 grams PER serving. As you (should) know, that is more grams of carbohydrates than you're allowed to have in a single day (two days in induction!). The reason these companies are allowed to get away with this is that sugar alcohols don't have as large an effect on insulin levels *for some people*. The problem is that different people respond to them in different ways. Some lucky souls have little to no insulin response from sugar alcohols. Other people (the middle of the curve) have a reduced insulin response compared to regular sugars, and some people react to them the same as they would pure sugar. There's no hard and fast rule, but there is one very unscientific way to gauge your body's reaction to ingestion of sugar alcohols... the CYP (Crap Your Pants) factor.
As diabetics already know (they've been dealing with sugar alcohols forever), one nasty side effect of sugar alcohols is that they can cause gas and diarrhea (the euphamism on the nutrition label is usually "laxative effect"). The reason this happens is the same as why they tend not to spike insulin levels--the human body can't readily digest them. So as they pass undigested through your gut, the bacteria that live there have a field day.
So, if you are prone to the "laxitive effect" of those low-carb candies (even when just eating a normal serving) then conversely you probably don't get much of an insulin response from ingesting them--they have passed largely undigested into your intestines. On the other hand, if you don't notice any digestive problems even after eating excessive amounts of the stuff, then it means your body is digesting them just fine and thus spiking your insulin levels, ruining your diet.
See, it's a lose-lose situation with sugar alcohols. Either you can eat them knowing they won't spoil your diet (be sure a toilet is nearby and get some toilet paper with aloe) or you can eat them without any intestinal "distress" knowing that even small amounts are being treated by your body just like normal sugar.
Most of us are somewhere in between. Also, not all sugar alcohols are created equal. Malitol is the cheapest, and therefore used most often. However, has a high CYP factor and many people show an insulin response from ingensting it. Lacitol is even worse (beware of the sugar-free Reeses PB Cups). The best one (also the most expensive--go figure) is erythritol. It causes minimal digestive problems and also tends to have the smallest effect on your insulin levels.
One other point to note is that some of the less-noble food manufacturers don't even itemize how many grams of sugar alcohols are in their product--they omit it from the carb count for you, leaving you with the notion that the full size chocolate bar you just inhaled only had 1g of carbohydrates. Common sense should set off warning bells, but a lot of people don't know about how macronutrients work so they just assume they are being told the truth. Always look at the ingredient list. If you see something ending in "-tol" near the beginning, just know that it's got a large amount of carbohydrates in it--despite what the nutrition info might tell you.
Sorry to hijack your thread amnesiac. Hopefully people find this information useful.
l2c
Damn that Atkins. According to them, sugar alcohols (inlcluding maltitol) don't have to be counted as carbs because they don't affect your blood sugar levels.
I didn't have any ill digestive effects from the maltitol, so if you what you are saying is true, that means it did have a substantial effect on my blood sugar and likely screwed up my diet. It wasn't until the 4th or 5th day that I started eating this stuff, which is right about when I stopped losing weight.
Yayo,
Atkins rules of induction clearly state that caffeine should be avoided. Especially by those people who are caffeine dependent.
I'm not sure how you missed that.
EDIT: Unless it's a relatively recent recommendation and you are basing your statements on old information.
Originally posted by: crumpet19
I just ate a giant Wendy's triple stack.. mmmm...
What makes you think that Atkins is NOT a lifestyle change?Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
You'll gain most of your weight back when you get off of it. Screw Atkins, eat wtf you want and work out. Diets are temporary weight loss solutions. That is all. To get in shape and stay healthy takes a lifestyle change.
Obviously someone else who doesn't have any idea how Atkins is supposed to be done.Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
You'll gain most of your weight back when you get off of it. Screw Atkins, eat wtf you want and work out. Diets are temporary weight loss solutions. That is all. To get in shape and stay healthy takes a lifestyle change.
Originally posted by: Shanti
Obviously someone else who doesn't have any idea how Atkins is supposed to be done.Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
You'll gain most of your weight back when you get off of it. Screw Atkins, eat wtf you want and work out. Diets are temporary weight loss solutions. That is all. To get in shape and stay healthy takes a lifestyle change.
You aren't supposed to ever "get off of it".
The first 2 weeks are <20g carbs to kick your body into ketosis and start burning fat.
After that, you start adding some carbs back into your diet. 5g at a time.
The goal is to slow down the weight loss as you get closer to your goal weight.
Once you are at your goal, there is a maintenance plan which involves eating just the right amount of carbs to neither lose nor gain weight. So you are supposed to eat low-carb forever. The amount of carbs you can eat without gaining weight varies from one person to the next and is also affected by how much exercise you get. So some people may have to stay at 40g of carbs and some may be able to eat 100g of carbs a day.
So no, it isn't just a quick weight loss diet. It is a nutritional approach and a permanent change in the way you eat.
When you say "eat wtf you want and work out", what exactly do you mean by "work out"?Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Screw Atkins, eat wtf you want and work out.
Very well said.Originally posted by: ThaPerculator
F* the naysayers, make your own decisions based on info and facts you actually read. Who cares about how joe schmoe thinks you shouls lose your weight by lowering calories and exercising more... do it for yourself and show them all whats up